Yep its been known since launch - and it paid off for them - have you ever seen a Rift Grey shard server? It doesn't exist.
They monitor for any programs that scan Rifts memory space while the game is running, any tampering with memory offsets sets off red flags, so good luck trying to run cheat engine.
The chat stuff is standard - if NSA(not that they would haha) or FBI ask for the chat logs, they will hand them over - just like Blizzard, Sony etc...
Also your title is highly misleading
Rift does NOT have full control over your PC - that is pure misinformation
These days No Such doesn't need to ask anyone for anything... ^^ Trion is just doing the usual CYA. Nothing special. As for the other, Jay Leno said the other night " The American people have always said they wanted a government that listens to them. Now they have one..." ^^
Originally posted by makii Well they have full access to your hard drive. good or bad?
This is wrong, Rift does not have *full* access to your hard drive, they have extremely limited access. Rifts client has access to your hard drive to read and write game data and log file.
No it says clearly,*without any limitation to your harddrive*
I can't believe I have to clarify this, but they gather information ABOUT YOUR HARD DRIVE...not whats on it....IE..."Western Digital 500 gig" etc......i really cant believe that needed to be said.....
This is in just about every EULA....the EULA is an acronym for "We can do whatever we want to you, your computer, family, anything you know, anything you own, and there's nothing you can do about it."
People used to call me paranoid, but these days I get to say I told you so....they're watching shhh!
by agreeing theyr EULA in the install process, you give every bit of your privace to them on a silver plate.
In EU this is highly illegal.
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES (INCLUDING MAC ADDRESS, SYSTEM OR CONFIGURATION FILES, CRASH DATA, ETC.) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH A GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 11. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, TRION MAY (I) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO TRION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (II) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY TRION AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, TRION MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY TRION AGREEMENT.
C. Trion may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (angel) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (beer) if Trion believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. TRION MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Trion is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk and with no expectation of privacy."
think logical.
B, is used to set up your graphics with best settings, and to find illegal programs used for cheating.
D. Is used to keep the chat channels at bay and to catch gold sellers and people misbehaving in chat.
Both are needed to keep the game running at a decent level. Don´t make it look worse then it is.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
by agreeing theyr EULA in the install process, you give every bit of your privace to them on a silver plate.
In EU this is highly illegal.
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES (INCLUDING MAC ADDRESS, SYSTEM OR CONFIGURATION FILES, CRASH DATA, ETC.) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH A GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 11. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, TRION MAY (I) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO TRION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (II) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY TRION AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, TRION MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY TRION AGREEMENT.
C. Trion may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (angel) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (beer) if Trion believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. TRION MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Trion is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk and with no expectation of privacy."
Pretty standard EULA you have there.
Wanna see scary?
Download the EULA from an Apple product....
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I believe this is also illegal in the U.S. in accordance with the Patriot Act. Though it's been a long time since I've read that -- probably like ten years -- so I might be mistaking that for something else. This issue once came up with FFXI and people changing the .dat files so that they could make the game look better and this act was referenced as to why Square would never be able to ban you for editing these files since it's illegal to detect. That is of course unless someone admits to using them in game.
Though I'd be interested in reading the full EULA of Rift now.
As a whole I don't know how I feel about it. It kind've sucks that companies have such a hard time detecting cheaters simply because of these laws, but on the other side they do protect some kinds of rights.
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I like how people think they have any sort of privacy online. If your computer or device is connected to the internet, the government alraedy knows exactly what is on your device and what you are looking at.
Also, it's in Blizzard's EULA. It's somehow normal for them to fight against cheaters, gold sellers, etc.
I would worry about other F2P games, mostly made in China, which installs shits on your computer without EULA/ToS, like AeriaGames and other moneymilk bastards companies.
If you cheating, doing illegal RMT, you should be concerned.
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LMAO.. That cat.. "Of all the owners, I get THIS one"
These days No Such doesn't need to ask anyone for anything... ^^ Trion is just doing the usual CYA. Nothing special. As for the other, Jay Leno said the other night " The American people have always said they wanted a government that listens to them. Now they have one..." ^^
I can't believe I have to clarify this, but they gather information ABOUT YOUR HARD DRIVE...not whats on it....IE..."Western Digital 500 gig" etc......i really cant believe that needed to be said.....
This is in just about every EULA....the EULA is an acronym for "We can do whatever we want to you, your computer, family, anything you know, anything you own, and there's nothing you can do about it."
People used to call me paranoid, but these days I get to say I told you so....they're watching shhh!
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
Serial numbers on money is tracked by the government also...so if you use cash, you're SOL too...
its the NSA!!
derrrr evvverrrywheerrrrrrrrrr!!
In the future? HOOHAA!
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
think logical.
B, is used to set up your graphics with best settings, and to find illegal programs used for cheating.
D. Is used to keep the chat channels at bay and to catch gold sellers and people misbehaving in chat.
Both are needed to keep the game running at a decent level. Don´t make it look worse then it is.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Pretty standard EULA you have there.
Wanna see scary?
Download the EULA from an Apple product....
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I believe this is also illegal in the U.S. in accordance with the Patriot Act. Though it's been a long time since I've read that -- probably like ten years -- so I might be mistaking that for something else. This issue once came up with FFXI and people changing the .dat files so that they could make the game look better and this act was referenced as to why Square would never be able to ban you for editing these files since it's illegal to detect. That is of course unless someone admits to using them in game.
Though I'd be interested in reading the full EULA of Rift now.
As a whole I don't know how I feel about it. It kind've sucks that companies have such a hard time detecting cheaters simply because of these laws, but on the other side they do protect some kinds of rights.
Now there's a glut of monkeys howling about privacy from 3rd party program detection software.
A few million hackers and script kiddies are NOT WORTH YOUR PRIVACY.
Thanks, Snowden.
Nothing to worry about. If you played Wow, you sure know about Warden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software).
Also, it's in Blizzard's EULA. It's somehow normal for them to fight against cheaters, gold sellers, etc.
I would worry about other F2P games, mostly made in China, which installs shits on your computer without EULA/ToS, like AeriaGames and other moneymilk bastards companies.
If you cheating, doing illegal RMT, you should be concerned.
made my night
Not sure I understand your post, but I'll leave this here for anyone interested:
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” - Ben Franklin
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil