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Interview with Yoshida on P2P decision

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

     

     

  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    I know it might suck for people who realy want to play a game but cannot afford the sub.
    I know... i lost my job and had great depths back in 2009, i have 3 kids and both me and my wife played WoW so it was a double sub.

    We needed to quit and recover and every penny counted, it sucked !
    I sticked to single player games and my wife to reading books.

    Its a choice you have to make if your low on cash and need to set priority's straight.
    its a totaly diffrent matter when you go out and spend cash on the weekend on drugs / beer / hookers / or whatever you do in your free time and say good studio's need to make their games free to play.

    Its for a reason SE choose this payment model, and people inhere already gave many reasons why.

    If you cant afford a monthly sub there are other games, free to play.
    Final Fantasy ARR will just not be one of them.

    I am glad they hold true to their promise, pay to play games can be much better and have much stronger community's then other payment models.

    I dont understand why this issue has to pop up in every mmo, we cannot change it anyway :P
    Its just troll / hate bait, respect the studio's decision if they made it clear, or move on.

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

     

     

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect? (those are all quotes from me, you could have just singled me out by name)

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

  • danwest58danwest58 Cincinnati, OHPosts: 984Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

      

    So you dont like the game ok good for you.  You posted your opinion why do you need to keep going on with your negative point of view?  That is disrespectful. 

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  • SnarkRitterSnarkRitter TPHCMPosts: 316Member
    Originally posted by danwest58

    I am done talking to people like you because you just want to sit here and force your will onto other people in a forum.  Guess what you have your opinion I have mine.  This game is and will be one of the better MMOs in the past 7 years.  Yeas BECAUSE the game is Group Friendly VS SOLO 100% of the time.  Why do you think SWTOR, RIFT, TERA, and countless other games failed.  BECAUSE they were nothing but gloried Single Player Games.  This Game will last now I am done talking to someone who just wants to ramble on negatively just to ramble negatively.  

    Those games failed because it wasn't different enough from traditional MMORPGs. Look at those older MMORPGs that used forced grouping, you'll see that their subscribers base all took a deep nose dive when WoW, a solo friendly MMORPG got released, and their subs base never recovered. Now look at GW2, it's also very solo friendly, but it is a massive success. Why? Because it was different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    I've presented my proofs, while yours don't seem to be very convincing. But you can keep deluding yourself.

    Oh, and if you and the likes of Murugan, Inigo Montoya are the faces of FF XIV community, I don't think I want to be a part of it, even if the game ever goes F2P.

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by SnarkRitter
    Originally posted by danwest58

    I am done talking to people like you because you just want to sit here and force your will onto other people in a forum.  Guess what you have your opinion I have mine.  This game is and will be one of the better MMOs in the past 7 years.  Yeas BECAUSE the game is Group Friendly VS SOLO 100% of the time.  Why do you think SWTOR, RIFT, TERA, and countless other games failed.  BECAUSE they were nothing but gloried Single Player Games.  This Game will last now I am done talking to someone who just wants to ramble on negatively just to ramble negatively.  

    Those games failed because it wasn't different enough from traditional MMORPGs. Look at those older MMORPGs that used forced grouping, you'll see that the subscribers base all took a deep nose dive when WoW, a solo friendly MMORPG got released. Now look at GW2, it's also very solo friendly, but it is a massive success. Why? Because it was different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    I've presented my proofs, while yours don't seem to be very convincing. But you can keep deluding yourself.

     

    What of the proof that those games DIDN'T offer the traditional MMORPG experience.

     

    TERA, SWTOR did not have a very good endgame and never added any.  People had no reason to continue subscribing after they finished leveling their chosen class.

     

    Rift stayed p2p for years, it has a greedy studio behind it that doesnt' care about its subscribers,what can I say about that.

     

    Keep deluding yourself that the failure of SWTOR is proof of a universal demand for Mortal Online style sandboxes (or whatever "unique" featureset you are shilling for) and nothing to do with the game's myriad problems.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect?

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

    And there you go danwest. That is how he responded when it was pointed out that he was being disrespectful to others. This is a thread about sqeenix's decision to stay P2P. Discussing other payment models and comparing the rest of the market against this game at this point in time is completely relevant and of course there are going to be people here with varying opinions. But how do you deal with someone that is literally telling everyone that doesn't agree with his personal mindset on payment models that they are a scourge? You don't really. You just point it out so everyone can see.

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect?

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

    And there you go danwest. That is how he responded when it was pointed out that he was being disrespectful to others. This is a thread about sqeenix's decision to stay P2P. Discussing other payment models and comparing the rest of the market against this game at this point in time is completely relevant and of course there are going to be people here with varying opinions. But how do you deal with someone that is literally telling everyone that doesn't agree with his personal mindset on payment models that they are a scourge? You don't really. You just point it out so everyone can see.

    I thought I laid out my reasoning for why I consider them to be a scourge succinctly.   It isn't a matter of opinion whether freelaoders contribute money to a game's development or not.  It isn't a matter of opinion whether people who actually make video games are entitled to respect more than people who play them for free.  I guess the second is just my opinion, but whatever I stand by it and you can hate me for it. 

    Look up the definition of free rider or freeloader, then go argue with Merriam-Webster about how mean they are.

     

    Not all people who play F2P games are freeloaders, many of them are cheaters too.  The cheaters pay for the free loaders, and then the people who were playing the game prior to that as subscribers who continue to subscribe are just normal people who subsidize cheaters and freeloaders.

     

    It can understand someone playing a F2P game, I've played them.  But it is not an act deserving of respect imo, and it hurts teh entire industry and is just a downright shame.  I won't hold a grudge against someone for playing a f2p game, but I will say that they were hurting the industry and the hobby I enjoy by doing so.  I'm all about forgiveness though once people realize their follies.

  • danwest58danwest58 Cincinnati, OHPosts: 984Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SnarkRitter
    Originally posted by danwest58

    I am done talking to people like you because you just want to sit here and force your will onto other people in a forum.  Guess what you have your opinion I have mine.  This game is and will be one of the better MMOs in the past 7 years.  Yeas BECAUSE the game is Group Friendly VS SOLO 100% of the time.  Why do you think SWTOR, RIFT, TERA, and countless other games failed.  BECAUSE they were nothing but gloried Single Player Games.  This Game will last now I am done talking to someone who just wants to ramble on negatively just to ramble negatively.  

    Those games failed because it wasn't different enough from traditional MMORPGs. Look at those older MMORPGs that used forced grouping, you'll see that their subscribers base all took a deep nose dive when WoW, a solo friendly MMORPG got released, and their subs base never recovered. Now look at GW2, it's also very solo friendly, but it is a massive success. Why? Because it was different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    I've presented my proofs, while yours don't seem to be very convincing. But you can keep deluding yourself.

    Oh, and if you and the likes of Murugan, Inigo Montoya are the faces of FF XIV community, I don't think I want to be a part of it, even if the game ever goes F2P.

    FYI GW2 is not a massive success.  I know I have had many friends go play the game, within a month quit because its nothing but D3 in an MMO setting.  Hate to say it but you are wrong.  You posted your opinion now go else where.  You dont see me trolling the WildSTar forums with my negativity about WildStar and how much I think it will flop do you?  No I have respect for them.  

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect?

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

    And there you go danwest. That is how he responded when it was pointed out that he was being disrespectful to others. This is a thread about sqeenix's decision to stay P2P. Discussing other payment models and comparing the rest of the market against this game at this point in time is completely relevant and of course there are going to be people here with varying opinions. But how do you deal with someone that is literally telling everyone that doesn't agree with his personal mindset on payment models that they are a scourge? You don't really. You just point it out so everyone can see.

    I thought I laid out my reasoning for why I consider them to be a scourge succinctly.   It isn't a matter of opinion whether freelaoders contribute money to a game's development or not.  It isn't a matter of opinion whether people who actually make video games are entitled to respect more than people who play them for free.  I guess the second is just my opinion, but whatever I stand by it and you can hate me for it. 

     

    Those are just realities.  Look up the definition of free rider or freeloader, then go argue with Merriam-Webster about how mean they are.

    I don't actually care that you are being disrespectful. I was just pointing it out to the guy that was claiming I was being disrespectful for voicing my opinion that there are better P2P and F2P options than FF:ARR. FF:ARR will probably be fun for a month or two for many people, but really, the only thing it's offering is a FF universe. Other than that, you could probably get a better MMORPG experience from many of the F2P games and some that cost a sub.

  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect?

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

    And there you go danwest. That is how he responded when it was pointed out that he was being disrespectful to others. This is a thread about sqeenix's decision to stay P2P. Discussing other payment models and comparing the rest of the market against this game at this point in time is completely relevant and of course there are going to be people here with varying opinions. But how do you deal with someone that is literally telling everyone that doesn't agree with his personal mindset on payment models that they are a scourge? You don't really. You just point it out so everyone can see.

    I thought I laid out my reasoning for why I consider them to be a scourge succinctly.   It isn't a matter of opinion whether freelaoders contribute money to a game's development or not.  It isn't a matter of opinion whether people who actually make video games are entitled to respect more than people who play them for free.  I guess the second is just my opinion, but whatever I stand by it and you can hate me for it. 

     

    Those are just realities.  Look up the definition of free rider or freeloader, then go argue with Merriam-Webster about how mean they are.

    I don't actually care that you are being disrespectful. I was just pointing it out to the guy that was claiming I was being disrespectful for voicing my opinion that there are better P2P and F2P options than FF:ARR. FF:ARR will probably be fun for a month or two for many people, but really, the only thing it's offering is a FF universe. Other than that, you could probably get a better MMORPG experience from many of the F2P games and some that cost a sub.

     It's ok to voice your opinion, but why keep on repeating the same thing over and over, we get it, it's your opinion, so respect our opinion that we don't agree with you.

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by danwest58

    colddog04

    If you dont like the game you dont need to buy it or pay for a subscription.  Sitting here and talking shit about a game just to do it and hope it goes F2P so you can play is disrespectful of the developers, and disrespectful of the community that does not want it F2P.  Just the same as the people on the beta forums going from 2 F2P post to 6 in a matter of a few minutes to shove it down peoples throats that the game NEEDS TO BE F2P FOR THEM.  Well Sorry Yoshi-P said its P2P, you have two choices pay to play or play something else.  Stop disrespecting other people.  

    I'm not hoping it goes F2P. I don't think I'd play it even if it was free since there are better options for a sub and without one. If you want to talk about disrespectful, I'll show you a few lines of one of the biggest proponents on this site for FF:ARR. I mean, really read them and pretend that you don't care either way about FFXIV for a second.

     

    - I have no respect for f2p players or MMO's

    - Being a free rider, and taking advantage of "whales" is pretty despicable if you ask me.  I don't see your value as a "customer".

    - But it really does sound like you are just a freeloader who doesn't want to pay for his video game if he can get a similar knock off experience elsewhere. 

    - It does make him a freeloader, and it does make him cheap. 

    - So you deserve to work for whatever the most desperate person on the planet in your industry would be willing to work for and not a penny more.

    - Other people are paying for you, and yes that is despicable.  You are a freeloader

    - I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters, I'm not going to retreat from that until someone can argue otherwise

    - That just doesn't stop you F2P people from coming to my games and trying to ruin them because you people can't respect others.

    - You don't want to do either, so how about you leave this discussion and I won't come to the garbage you play and ask the developers to start making you pay for your entertainment instead of freeloading off of others.

    What did freeloaders do to deserve my respect?

     

    Did they make an MMORPG I enjoy?

    Did they even help pay for the MMORPG I enjoy?

    Are they special unique little butterflies that I should pay for just to have the privilege of their company in game?

     

    No they are free riders who ride the contributions of others, benefiting while contributing nothing.  They are a scourge.  I refuse to "respect" that.

    And there you go danwest. That is how he responded when it was pointed out that he was being disrespectful to others. This is a thread about sqeenix's decision to stay P2P. Discussing other payment models and comparing the rest of the market against this game at this point in time is completely relevant and of course there are going to be people here with varying opinions. But how do you deal with someone that is literally telling everyone that doesn't agree with his personal mindset on payment models that they are a scourge? You don't really. You just point it out so everyone can see.

    I thought I laid out my reasoning for why I consider them to be a scourge succinctly.   It isn't a matter of opinion whether freelaoders contribute money to a game's development or not.  It isn't a matter of opinion whether people who actually make video games are entitled to respect more than people who play them for free.  I guess the second is just my opinion, but whatever I stand by it and you can hate me for it. 

     

    Those are just realities.  Look up the definition of free rider or freeloader, then go argue with Merriam-Webster about how mean they are.

    I don't actually care that you are being disrespectful. I was just pointing it out to the guy that was claiming I was being disrespectful for voicing my opinion that there are better P2P and F2P options than FF:ARR. FF:ARR will probably be fun for a month or two for many people, but really, the only thing it's offering is a FF universe. Other than that, you could probably get a better MMORPG experience from many of the F2P games and some that cost a sub.

    Maybe you could, I can't I tried.

     

    I paid for Rift, Tera, Aion, countless other F2P games when they were actual p2p MMORPG's, I have also played many as a F2P.  I'm not playing FFXIV because it is Final Fantasy.  I've only played one other FF title, and that was FFXI.  Which I played because it was a good MMORPG, not because of the final fantasy name.  It isn't my favorite MMORPG so I'm not playing XIV because of nostalgia for FFXI.  I think Vanguard was a better MMO (though I'll admit it was terribly mishandled by SOE/Sigil).

     

    I'm playing FFXIV because it offers a better character progression system, a better storyline (Rift's storyline and world are honestly I think one of the worst ever and I can't play the game because of that and its class designs, even though I liked other portions of the game), and better encounters (based on experiences with this teams past examples in 1.x and demonstrations of similarly inspired albiet obviously less challenging low level content).

     

    So you can belittle my opinion if you want, but and this may get me moderated I think you are a troll because you come in here and say "your game offers nothing others don't do better" and don't expand on that at all.  What do you like better in Rift, the soul system?  Maybe you prefer its world/storyline to ARR.

     

    There was a time when people discussed games based on features and what they had to offer rather than just trolling them with  dime a dozen zingers and generalizations.  I don't expect you to have a civil discussion with me, so I'm sure youll just say "lol WoW Clone" or some other equally useless comment that will just further confirm my opinion of you.

  • MalviousMalvious Knoxville, TNPosts: 207Member Uncommon
    Good i was getting sick and tired of all the f2p crap.

    Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.

  • SnarkRitterSnarkRitter TPHCMPosts: 316Member
    Originally posted by Murugan

    What of the proof that those games DIDN'T offer the traditional MMORPG experience.

    I said they weren't different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    TERA, SWTOR did not have a very good endgame and never added any.  People had no reason to continue subscribing after they finished leveling their chosen class.

    And apparently, you assume that FF XIV ARR will have a very good endgame. And no, SWTOR actually had a  good endgame at launch and a very decent content update pace for the first 3 months, but still it bled subs like mad.

    Rift stayed p2p for years, it has a greedy studio behind it that doesnt' care about its subscribers,what can I say about that.

    Oh, actually the popular opinion is that Trion has the best customers support among MMORPGs developers, and RIFTs has one of, if not, the most rapid content update speed of all MMORPGs. Also RIFTs had very good endgame at launch.

    You re-confirm my opinion is that FF XIV fanboys live in a world different from normal peoples.

    Keep deluding yourself that the failure of SWTOR is proof of a universal demand for Mortal Online style sandboxes (or whatever "unique" featureset you are shilling for) and nothing to do with the game's myriad problems.

    And you assume that FF XIV ARR won't have it's share of myriad problems.

    Want to know the biggest universal complain all those games had? The answer is: "This game isn't different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    But you can keep convincing yourself .

    Originally posted by danwest58

    FYI GW2 is not a massive success.  I know I have had many friends go play the game, within a month quit because its nothing but D3 in an MMO setting.  Hate to say it but you are wrong.  You posted your opinion now go else where.  You dont see me trolling the WildSTar forums with my negativity about WildStar and how much I think it will flop do you?  No I have respect for them. 

    Oh, GW2 is nothing but "D3 in an MMO setting"? You learn something new from FF XIV fanboys everyday.

    Hate to say it but your friend was lying to you, because GW2 is nothing like D3 in any aspect, not the combat, not the skill system, not the loot orientation, not the dynamic events. And yes, GW2 is a massive success, only need to look at NCSoft financial report to see the proofs. And GW2's been released for almost a year. By this time most others MMORPGs would have merged half of the servers, GW2's not closed a single one. By this time most other MMORPGs would have slowed their content update significantly, GW2 now increase it's major update schedule to 2 per month.

    And I don't hate FF XIV, im interested in it because I like final fantasy, and I like raising pets, but you guys are turning me away from the game.

     

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,539Member Uncommon

    Yoshida's view of F2P is really shallow - he is not looking at a well monetized game that offers constant changes to online stores and is bringing in a steady stream of revenue from players.

    The issue is that many F2P games are very poorly monetized, there is a lot more to it than having some items in the cash shops, you need a solid business/monetization unit that is tracking what players are doing in game, what items are being sought out, what consumables are being used, where the economy in game is heading - and on top of all that the system has to be fair and not game unbalancing.

    To monetize a game successfully you must have a real time pulse on the entire playerbase, and then determine what items would be desirable from day to day, and that requires spot on metrics, reporting and a great monetization team. Most folks don't realize this, but in-game cash shops in F2P games are very costly to implement right.

    lastly, P2P is MUCH easier to do than a F2P model, which requires a platform that can handle in-game shop and a team to monetize the game correctly, P2P requires no additional coding at all, nor any additional metrics/reporting or team members.

     

  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILPosts: 1,777Member
    Originally posted by MattTheHG

    Yoshida is the man!

    It's a good move, indeed. You can tell that SE really wants this to be a quality MMO for people to play and enjoy, and for people working behind the scenes to get what they deserve.

     Why are you acting like this when the game was originally released as a P2P and in extremely bad shape...

    P2P does not = quality nor does it bring it after time.

    “I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by SnarkRitter
    Originally posted by Murugan

    What of the proof that those games DIDN'T offer the traditional MMORPG experience.

    I said they weren't different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    TERA, SWTOR did not have a very good endgame and never added any.  People had no reason to continue subscribing after they finished leveling their chosen class.

    And apparently, you assume that FF XIV ARR will have a very good endgame. And no, SWTOR actually had a  good endgame at launch and a very decent content update pace for the first 3 months, but still it bled subs like mad.

    Rift stayed p2p for years, it has a greedy studio behind it that doesnt' care about its subscribers,what can I say about that.

    Oh, actually the popular opinion is that Trion has the best customers support among MMORPGs developers, and RIFTs has one of, if not, the most rapid content update speed of all MMORPGs. Also RIFTs had very good endgame at launch.

    You re-confirm my opinion is that FF XIV fanboys live in a world different from normal peoples.

    Keep deluding yourself that the failure of SWTOR is proof of a universal demand for Mortal Online style sandboxes (or whatever "unique" featureset you are shilling for) and nothing to do with the game's myriad problems.

    And you assume that FF XIV ARR won't have it's share of myriad problems.

    Want to know the biggest universal complain all those games had? The answer is: "This game isn't different enough from traditional MMORPGs.

    But you can keep convincing yourself .

    Originally posted by danwest58

    FYI GW2 is not a massive success.  I know I have had many friends go play the game, within a month quit because its nothing but D3 in an MMO setting.  Hate to say it but you are wrong.  You posted your opinion now go else where.  You dont see me trolling the WildSTar forums with my negativity about WildStar and how much I think it will flop do you?  No I have respect for them. 

    Oh, GW2 is nothing but "D3 in an MMO setting"? Oh you learn something new from FF XIV fanboys everyday.

    Hate to say it but your friend was lying to you. And yes, GW2 is a massive success, only need to look at NCSoft financial report to see the proof.

    I played SWTOR I disagree, I must live in a different reality.  I thought SWTOR's endgame was not very good, bug ridden, and that's why everyone I knew quit it.  Not because it wasn't "different enough".  Most people I talked to played the game and did the storyline, then found the traditional MMORPG elements to be lacking compared to other titles.  You didn't, so good for you, but enough obviously did that the game had a massive exodus of subscribers and EA chose to make it f2p as a result of that.

     

    of course now retroactively a lot of people are using it as "undeniable proof" that people want a dramatically "unique" MMORPG experience (which is really just them trying to convince others that their niche feature set is the REAL WoW killer)

     

    Rift sure did get a lot of updates, and I think that proves that P2P works.  I quit for reasons other than that (the world, the storyline, the classes available did not appeal to me).  But Trion decided to go F2P anyways, that makes them a crap company in my opinion.  It is classic bait and switch.  Buy our expansion, come back and subscribe to the game!  That is what they said, I have their emails still.

     

    All the while they were secretly meeting and planning to turn the game f2p.  Yes "Best customer support" ever.

     

    I'm not a fanboy, I'll quit the second Square Enix makes this game f2p, destroys endgame, or fails to deliver content I like.  I don't make excuses because I "love final fantasy", I'm playing this MMORPG because out of all the MMORPG's I've played (and that is a lot) I like this one the best.

     

    Tell me again how I'm deluded.

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Yoshida's view of F2P is really shallow - he is not looking at a well monetized game that offers constant changes to online stores and is bringing in a steady stream of revenue from players.

    The issue is that many F2P games are very poorly monetized, there is a lot more to it than having some items in the cash shops, you need a solid business/monetization unit that is tracking what players are doing in game, what items are being sought out, what consumables are being used, where the economy in game is heading - and on top of all that the system has to be fair and not game unbalancing.

    To monetize a game successfully you must have a real time pulse on the entire playerbase, and then determine what items would be desirable from day to day, and that requires spot on metrics, reporting and a great monetization team. Most folks don't realize this, but in-game cash shops in F2P games are very costly to implement right.

    lastly, P2P is MUCH easier to do than a F2P model, which requires a platform that can handle in-game shop and a team to monetize the game correctly, P2P requires no additional coding at all, nor any additional metrics/reporting or team members.

     

    It is hard work nickle and diming people who didn't think your game was worth paying to play.

     

    I'll give you that, props to all the cash shop developers in f2p MMO's.  You guys are great at what you do.  What a resume that must be "And then I discovered if I made the game even more boring that people would pay me for XP potions so they didn't have to play it as long!" < Genius!

     

    /disgusted

     

    I did get a laugh at the whole fair and balanced thing though when people can pay real money to get an advantage.  I call that cheating, but hey differences of opinion.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Yoshida's view of F2P is really shallow - he is not looking at a well monetized game that offers constant changes to online stores and is bringing in a steady stream of revenue from players.

    The issue is that many F2P games are very poorly monetized, there is a lot more to it than having some items in the cash shops, you need a solid business/monetization unit that is tracking what players are doing in game, what items are being sought out, what consumables are being used, where the economy in game is heading - and on top of all that the system has to be fair and not game unbalancing.

    To monetize a game successfully you must have a real time pulse on the entire playerbase, and then determine what items would be desirable from day to day, and that requires spot on metrics, reporting and a great monetization team. Most folks don't realize this, but in-game cash shops in F2P games are very costly to implement right.

    lastly, P2P is MUCH easier to do than a F2P model, which requires a platform that can handle in-game shop and a team to monetize the game correctly, P2P requires no additional coding at all, nor any additional metrics/reporting or team members.

     

    It is hard work nickle and diming people who didn't think your game was worth paying to play.

     

    I'll give you that, props to all the cash shop developers in f2p MMO's.  You guys are great at what you do.  What a resume that must be "And then I discovered if I made the game even more boring that people would pay me for XP potions so they didn't have to play it as long!" < Genius!

     

    /disgusted

    You are disgusted at devs spending tens of millions of dollars to implement complex systems that ultimately allow you play games for free?

    And those F2P in-game shops also mean additional jobs at game companies... it's rough times, so having 20+ extra job positions due to F2P is a good deal for many developers that are looking for work.

    F2P is creating additional jobs.... P2P is not.

     

  • SnarkRitterSnarkRitter TPHCMPosts: 316Member
    Originally posted by Murugan

    Rift sure did get a lot of updates, and I think that proves that P2P works.  I quit for reasons other than that (the world, the storyline, the classes available did not appeal to me).  But Trion decided to go F2P anyways, that makes them a crap company in my opinion.  It is classic bait and switch.  Buy our expansion, come back and subscribe to the game!  That is what they said, I have their emails still.

    Oh yes RIFTs were doing so well that they had to merged more than half of the servers by the 6 months mark, and a year later had a layoff.

    All the while they were secretly meeting and planning to turn the game f2p.  Yes "Best customer support" ever.

    It's nothing more than your assumption. Want to know why RIFTs lasted this long as a P2P MMORPG? Because the playerbase love Trion thanks to their excellent customers supper and rapid content update pace.

    I'm not a fanboy, I'll quit the second Square Enix makes this game f2p, destroys endgame, or fails to deliver content I like.  I don't make excuses because I "love final fantasy", I'm playing this MMORPG because out of all the MMORPG's I've played (and that is a lot) I like this one the best.

     

    Tell me again how I'm deluded.

    You'll realize it yourself, in time. I used to believe that solid gameplay alone is enough to make the game successful and thrives (I used to fanboy RIFTs like that), but reality has made me realized that solid gameplay alone is not enough, the gameplay has to be both solid and greatly (almost completely) different to make the game successful and thrives.

     

  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Yoshida's view of F2P is really shallow - he is not looking at a well monetized game that offers constant changes to online stores and is bringing in a steady stream of revenue from players.

    The issue is that many F2P games are very poorly monetized, there is a lot more to it than having some items in the cash shops, you need a solid business/monetization unit that is tracking what players are doing in game, what items are being sought out, what consumables are being used, where the economy in game is heading - and on top of all that the system has to be fair and not game unbalancing.

    To monetize a game successfully you must have a real time pulse on the entire playerbase, and then determine what items would be desirable from day to day, and that requires spot on metrics, reporting and a great monetization team. Most folks don't realize this, but in-game cash shops in F2P games are very costly to implement right.

    lastly, P2P is MUCH easier to do than a F2P model, which requires a platform that can handle in-game shop and a team to monetize the game correctly, P2P requires no additional coding at all, nor any additional metrics/reporting or team members.

     

    It is hard work nickle and diming people who didn't think your game was worth paying to play.

     

    I'll give you that, props to all the cash shop developers in f2p MMO's.  You guys are great at what you do.  What a resume that must be "And then I discovered if I made the game even more boring that people would pay me for XP potions so they didn't have to play it as long!" < Genius!

     

    /disgusted

    You are disgusted at devs spending tens of millions of dollars to implement complex systems that ultimately allow you play games for free?

    And those F2P in-game shops also mean additional jobs at game companies... it's rough times, so having 20+ extra job positions due to F2P is a good deal for many developers that are looking for work.

    F2P is creating additional jobs.... P2P is not.

     

    Or companies could just make better games that people are willing to pay for like SE, if they fail to do that they can go under.  Square Enix employed literally hundreds of people on the development of FFXIV. 

     

    The people who are "allowed" to play for free do so on the backs of people who buy stuff in cash shops, so shouldn't you thank them and not the developers who created a system where those people had to actually pay real money for virtual items the developers created within worlds they control just so they could suck money from them?

     

    I'm sure you will hope that SE fails and they all lose their jobs to prove that f2p is teh wave of the future.  Personally for their sake I hope the game is a success so these people can have true pride in their work creating a game that people ENJOY, and were wiling to pay for.

     

    Rather than the f2p devs who only got paid because Charlie in the Cash Shop department managed to convince people to pay $50 for extra bag slots or some other shameful ploy to get at people's wallets just for "trying" to enjoy their game.  I'd be ashamed if I worked really hard to develop actual content for a game knowing that all my work was meaningless while the cash shop developers were the actual breadwinners of the company.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04

    I don't actually care that you are being disrespectful. I was just pointing it out to the guy that was claiming I was being disrespectful for voicing my opinion that there are better P2P and F2P options than FF:ARR. FF:ARR will probably be fun for a month or two for many people, but really, the only thing it's offering is a FF universe. Other than that, you could probably get a better MMORPG experience from many of the F2P games and some that cost a sub.

    Maybe you could, I can't I tried.

     

    I paid for Rift, Tera, Aion, countless other F2P games when they were actual p2p MMORPG's, I have also played many as a F2P.  I'm not playing FFXIV because it is Final Fantasy.  I've only played one other FF title, and that was FFXI.  Which I played because it was a good MMORPG, not because of the final fantasy name.  It isn't my favorite MMORPG so I'm not playing XIV because of nostalgia for FFXI.  I think Vanguard was a better MMO (though I'll admit it was terribly mishandled by SOE/Sigil).

     

    I'm playing FFXIV because it offers a better character progression system, a better storyline (Rift's storyline and world are honestly I think one of the worst ever and I can't play the game because of that and its class designs, even though I liked other portions of the game), and better encounters (based on experiences with this teams past examples in 1.x and demonstrations of similarly inspired albiet obviously less challenging low level content).

     

    So you can belittle my opinion if you want, but and this may get me moderated I think you are a troll because you come in here and say "your game offers nothing others don't do better" and don't expand on that at all.  What do you like better in Rift, the soul system?  Maybe you prefer its world/storyline to ARR.

     

    There was a time when people discussed games based on features and what they had to offer rather than just trolling them with  dime a dozen zingers and generalizations.  I don't expect you to have a civil discussion with me, so I'm sure youll just say "lol WoW Clone" or some other equally useless comment that will just further confirm my opinion of you.

    Ok then, here is my reasoning behind why I feel that way. I think it's pretty average for a few reasons.

     

    The combat is really slow. I think almost all MMORPGs that have come out in the past 5ish years have better combat. And it's not because I'm into a more action oriented style combat. I actually enjoy tab targeting systems. But the 2.5 second global cooldown mixed with a few instant casts with long cooldowns is just too boring to me. I have too much experience in MMORPGs to be able to put up with such a harsh restriction.

     

    The world feels below average compared to other themepark MMORPGs. Enemies are crammed in every 20 feet from each other  and the zones themselves, while more open than they were in FFXIV V1, feel a lot more closed in than many other top MMORPGs. They just feel artificial and the zone lines tend to be more common than other more recent games.

     

    It's very quest hub oriented. And it's a very "kill ten rats" oriented experience. I didn't expect this at all. I'm sure it changes a bit later after you've done all the quests, but I was hoping for a much stronger solo experience. I mean, the quests are worse than WoW quests which actually offer some semblance of variety. Of course you can simply choose not to do them like every other MMORPG and level through dungeons and group content or whatever. As a solo experience, it's just not very compelling.

     

    Up till around level 20, the story was sub par in my opinion. Boring, useless cutscenes that weren't well written or interesting at all to me. I started to become glad you could skip them. This wasn't because I don't like the idea of story quests or because I have a short attention span or don't enjoy some good lore. It was because they just weren't very good. They were VERY cheesy even when compared to the story in FFXIII. This part of the game has gotten way more credit than it deserves in my opinion.

     

    No voiceovers at all. I've read that they are going to add them after they figure out all the contracts or whatever, but it was a bit startling to have ZERO voiceover - especially in a FF game. I'm actually down for text when it comes to 90% of the game, but there were times when it was a bit jarring compared to some of the more recent offerings.

     

    Soloability is really, really easy. Even if you do run out of quests, you can just run around and do fates and leves. They level you extremely quickly. I'm sure this will slow down as I get higher in the beta, but as of right now, god damn that was fast. 

     

    There just isn't anything particularly special when I compare it to other MMORPGs. Rifts/DEs are better than fates. Quests are better in other MMORPGs. Leves are just dailies which I also don't like. Rift and EQ2 have great housing systems (I'm actually curious to check this out in FFXIV). Group dynamics in group content is more interesting in other games (limit breaks are over simplified imo). I've read a lot of people talking about how crafting is fairly useless while leveling it which is pretty standard for a themepark MMO. There is nothing that I've seen that makes this game stand up above some of the best F2P and P2P games. Hence my opinion that a lot of other games, be them F2P or P2P, are a better way to spend your time. 

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Or companies could just make better games that people are willing to pay for like SE, if they fail to do that they can go under.  Square Enix employed literally hundreds of people on the development of FFXIV. 

     It's not the greatness of the game solely anymore, the gamers have changed, the gamers have shifted to F2P MMOs, by having a P2P game today you are alienating many gamers who would have played it if it were F2P. You have to follow the trends of the market, this is reality.

    The people who are "allowed" to play for free do so on the backs of people who buy stuff in cash shops, so shouldn't you thank them and not the developers who created a system where those people had to actually pay real money for virtual items the developers created within worlds they control just so they could suck money from them?

    20% of gamers carry F2P games, so 80% of the gamers can thank the 20% for funfing F2P games. Either way without devs putting in online-cash shop and all the supporting systems to handle real time microtrans - they get the credit as without them none of it would exist.

     I'm sure you will hope that SE fails and they all lose their jobs to prove that f2p is teh wave of the future.  Personally for their sake I hope the game is a success so these people can have true pride in their work creating a game that people ENJOY, and were wiling to pay for.

    I wish them all the success in the world, I hate to see game-devs out of a job, most of my friends work for game companies. These are very hard times for game companies - heck just last week Tencent Boston laid off a bunch, IO intercative cut their staff by 50% - it's happening every week, game devs are losing their jobs. P2P games also lay off staff - it has nothing to do with having pride in their work - F2P companies have folks who have pride in their work.

     

    Rather than the f2p devs who only got paid because Charlie in the Cash Shop department managed to convince people to pay $50 for extra bag slots or some other shameful ploy to get at people's wallets just for "trying" to enjoy their game.  I'd be ashamed if I worked really hard to develop actual content for a game knowing that all my work was meaningless while the cash shop developers were the actual breadwinners of the company.

    A sucky game with the best cash-shop is gonna fail - so it takes awesome devs all around to succeed. So no matter what Charlie in the Cash Shop does - he cannot be the actual breadwinner - it takes everybody doing their work at their peek - art, animation, music, FX, motion cap, lore, world designers, server engineers, client code dev, engine devs... etc.. all of them have to make a good game before monetization team can do anything worthwhile. Like I said if the core game sucks, it makes no difference.

     

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Murugan
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Murugan

    See?  He answered my question, and guess what I'm not going to insult him.  He likes Rift better, I don't.  He doesn't like ARR enough to buy it.  That is completely fair, I hardly want people to play a game they don't like that ruins the experience for everyone.

     

    Of course in F2P games (like GW2, Tera, well any F2P game I've played at least) people play them even though they dislike them and then they trash the game in chat all day long like it is a sport.  That is bad for everyone, so I'm glad that people who don't think this game is worth paying for won't be playing it.

     

    You are not despicable sir for your opinions on a game I enjoy, and thank you very much for explaining your reasoning further than "$12/month" isn't worth it anymore in this day and age.

    Wow, look at that retreat. I agree with that poster. I think that FFXIV doesn't offer anything better than Rift and therefor the sub is asking too much for what you get. The only reason I'd even consider the game is because of my nostalgia for the series, but there is just too much on the market that is more worth my time than this game. EVE is a great example of a game that is worth paying for in my opinion. FFXIV is not. I'll be interested to see what people are saying about it 3 months after it releases.

    *SNIP*    ........ I think people who advocate for F2P are either freeloaders are cheaters......    *SNIP*

     

    Would you mind explaining the reasoning behind this belief that people that play f2p games are "either freeloaders or cheaters" ?

    I am curious as just flat out saying this is making you appear very bigoted and IMHO hurting your defense of p2p.

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  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,554Member Uncommon
    blah blah blah blah this game is gonna do fine on p2p whatever...
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