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Originally posted by tkreep its too easy to aim with a mouse, doesnt require any skill at all even my 9 year old brother can aim easily in the fps games i let him play.
Got to love comments like these. It kinda makes me wonder about people. A mouse is most certainly easier because it is more accurate. However, that doesn't mean it doesn't require any skill. If you want it to be harder increase the sensitivity.
By your standards if a gun is to easy to shoot we should make it weigh more. Which is stupid. Just because something is easy doesn't mean you need to make it harder.
Anyway, that is just an arrogant comment for the most part.
Originally posted by Brabbit1987 Originally posted by tkreep its too easy to aim with a mouse, doesnt require any skill at all even my 9 year old brother can aim easily in the fps games i let him play.
I wasnt comparing it to real life guns i was comparing it to gamepads. With gamepads you can see the big difference between a rookie player and an expert player when it comes to skill both with sticky targeting turned off, since u want to compare to real life even than you can see the difference between a rookie shooter and a expert. In both cases it takes a lot more practice to get used to it and become second nature. While on with a mouse the margin between a newb and a expert is small and that newb will become a expert in no time without much effort granted they are using the same sensitivity. And when it comes to realism i feel lot more immersed shooting guns using a gamepad than a mouse. As in I hold the gun up with my left hand to look down the sights and shoot with my right hand. As someone whos been gaming on consoles and PC equally I dont think its such a arrogant comment.
Originally posted by tkreep Originally posted by Brabbit1987 Originally posted by tkreep its too easy to aim with a mouse, doesnt require any skill at all even my 9 year old brother can aim easily in the fps games i let him play.
The thing about accuracy with a controller and a mouse is they are worlds apart. Becoming an expert with a controller doesn't make you any better with a mouse. So in other words you chose the harder controls just for the sake of them being harder even though you would get better results with easier controls.
You also didn't get what I meant by the gun. I meant you are giving yourself a handicap for no reason just for the sake to make it harder. You say a mouse is to easy, so you use a controller. That is like saying you see the screen to easily so you cover half the screen. You hear to well so you put an ear plug in 1 ear. You are training with a sword but it is to easy to swing so you make it bigger.
In a sense this only makes you worse, not better. If you didn't cover half the screen it's easy but at least you can learn to expand you field of view and get better. If you didn't plug one ear at least you can get better at learning to use that sense. If you didn't make the sword bigger you could have learned to swing the sword faster and increased your agility. If you decided to use a mouse over a controller, you can learn to become more accurate and a faster shooter. It's almost impossible to say a mouse is to easy as you can increase sensitivity to extreme levels.
I rather play with the more accurate controls, because it's more accurate. If I was looking for realism I would simply buy a gun controller which is also even more accurate then a game pad.
Now keep in mind, I am not saying controllers are bad control devices, I am just saying that stating you use a controller because the other is to easy is arrogant and just means you didn't spend enough time with the mouse. You can always improve and make things harder for yourself with out having to change your control interface. Is this area to easy to shoot? Try shooting with in a smaller area then. You where able to turn 180 in 1 second? Try for 0.5 second then. You can always improve and get better.
I learned to walk, I am not going to go back to crawling just because it is harder. Rather, I am going to get better at walking, running, and jumping and I will see you at the finish line.
This is a funny thread. Guys claiming the console controls are harder. Ive seen first hand evidence of it. Mouse and keyboard users destroy gamepad users. Evidence: Friend of mine who was a CoD player on PS4. Started out on gamepad, was OK, 2 KDR or so. Bought a breakout box to hook up keyboard and mouse. KDR jumped to 6. Pretty good evidence IMO. The crys of "hacker" and all the 12 year olds raging on voice chat were epic.
Leave the console kiddies on their own server, please. As much fun as it would be to destroy them over and over in PvP, its not worth the baggage it brings into the community.
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Originally posted by GwapoJosh Originally posted by Xzen The reason there is no crossover play has nothing to do with the B.S. reasons stated here. The only reason there is no crossover play is because Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo will not agree to it. At least not most of the time.
Why don't they put Xbone users on the same servers as Windows users then?
That would violate the terms of MS Xbox Live network usage - they do not allow xbox live players to co-play with *any* other platform including MS Windows users.
Other games that are multi-platform like Defiance have this same issue - Trion devs pointed out in many interviews that Defiance was coded to support full x-platform play but Sony/MS would not allow this to happen.
Originally posted by bubaluba Originally posted by immodium It's the same reason they don't cross-platform FPS games. PC players pwn console players. IMO you are serverely handicapped using control pads. Response times are not even comparable. I can 360 in a blink of an eye using a keyboard and mouse.
Like i said People are afraid of shame to be pawned from guys with gamepad
yes that is clearly the reason they are doing this.....all those people are afraid of losing to someone in a game because they own a controller....
Originally posted by Hellidol Originally posted by bubaluba Originally posted by immodium It's the same reason they don't cross-platform FPS games. PC players pwn console players. IMO you are serverely handicapped using control pads. Response times are not even comparable. I can 360 in a blink of an eye using a keyboard and mouse.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by lizardbones Originally posted by Hellidol Originally posted by bubaluba Originally posted by immodium It's the same reason they don't cross-platform FPS games. PC players pwn console players. IMO you are serverely handicapped using control pads. Response times are not even comparable. I can 360 in a blink of an eye using a keyboard and mouse.
I hear what you are saying and it makes sense, but even as a supporter of this game I think the benefits of one server for all outweigh the disadvanges of it. In the end, a strong population, vibrant community, not feeling separated from family members or friends on different platforms, outweights all these 'potential' imbalances. I mean, even on separate platforms there are always imbalances that are never resolved, either by someones PC, internet service, latency, wireless versus ethernet, class imbalances, keyboard differences, gaming mouse versus non gaming mouse, etc. They could always preface any controller imbalance by stating "In PVP, we recommend X, however, these differences are minor and may not make a difference in actual play or PVE". There are still some people that insist a controller makes them better than keyboard and mouse...even if I disagree with that :-).
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I think it would be neat if you had one server that the platform determined your faction (ie: xbox vs pc vs ps4). Then we could settle this like gentlemen! Somehow though, I doubt anyone could get a large enough players to accept whatever faction their platform would be assigned.
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