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  • zaylinzaylin Olympia, WAPosts: 789Member

    Im at the point that , these forums should be boycotted for the simple fact its mostly comlaining. As I have said in other forums  it does not matter what the devs do , people are going to bitch, ya I said it. Honestly Im tired of people shitting on other people for what they think they think . it enough. EVERY TIME a new MMO comes out, at least in the last 6 years, this SAME SHIT happens. And you all wonder WHY devs are Affraid of changing stuff up. When gaming/multiplayer 1vs1 came out , it was about ...well fun gaming and enjoying the passion of gaming with your friends. Now it just a bitch fest. I have posted in several forums and just seen the same shit over and ovrer and over and over and over again.

    What is essential is  Invisible to the eye. Only with the heart can one see Rightly. 

    If  you can not see the PEOPLE  behind it, that are WORKINg on it so HARD to please a SHIT ton of crowds then, im sorry. It may be a game but I, UNDERLINE I , can see the heart that they have. because im not the kid that demands everything!

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon

    Yup I've had every negative comment of mine removed from the BethSoft forums.

     

    Game will fail hardcore IMO because of the cash grab to consoles and as a result the game will be dumbed down and communities will be split.  Not to mention the delays required to develop across 3 platforms.  HUGE MISTAKE!

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Yup I've had every negative comment of mine removed from the BethSoft forums.

     

    Game will fail hardcore IMO because of the cash grab to consoles and as a result the game will be dumbed down and communities will be split.  Not to mention the delays required to develop across 3 platforms.  HUGE MISTAKE!

    the mistake would have been to release a game unfinished ignoring the beta testers. I'm disappointed with the push out, but if its to make the game more polished and fun thats fine with me. To state they are only doing this to align the release date of all 3 is pure ignorance and really nothing to back it up. Yea, pushing Skyrim it to Consoles really hurt the PC version "/sarcasm off". Maybe they just want more people to have an opportunity to play? You think? Are they not in business to increase sales as well? Whoops, now "/sarcasm really off".

    There Is Always Hope!

  • zaylinzaylin Olympia, WAPosts: 789Member
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Yup I've had every negative comment of mine removed from the BethSoft forums.

     

    Game will fail hardcore IMO because of the cash grab to consoles and as a result the game will be dumbed down and communities will be split.  Not to mention the delays required to develop across 3 platforms.  HUGE MISTAKE!

    the mistake would have been to release a game unfinished ignoring the beta testers. I'm disappointed with the push out, but if its to make the game more polished and fun thats fine with me. To state they are only doing this to align the release date of all 3 is pure ignorance and really nothing to back it up. Yea, pushing Skyrim it to Consoles really hurt the PC version "/sarcasm off". Maybe they just want more people to have an opportunity to play? You think? Are they not in business to increase sales as well? Whoops, now "/sarcasm really off".

    YEP, Assume= Make and ASS out of U and ME. People keep saying this move was a cash grab move. Im confused,  these people are gamers TOO, and yet when they want to bring it to a bigger/broader audience, they are accused of all this bullshit lol. 

    Ahh, correct me if im wrong, but the PS3,PS4 and the Xbox 360/1 all have USB ports to Support Keyboard and mouse. So do see how the game will need to be dumbed down.

    Its simply adding software programing to accommodate a controller, just like you would with a 3rd party controller that you can program Keyboard functionality in to, ALA a Game Pad, for it to respond to. And again just because you dont need 30+ keys to play a game does not mean its going to be Dumbed down.

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Edmonton, ABPosts: 793Member
    Based on recent news this game just screams "Identity Crisis" to me.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,114Member Uncommon

    I'm as PO'D as anyone with all that happening and not happening with ESOL. MY answer to the unending irritation.......stop paying attention what's causing the irritation.

    I stopped going to the companys forums...because they seem not to care what I said. I don't go to related sites because I'm P A S T tired of being thrown a crumb of information every two weeks that bugs the heck out of me.So they are off my list too.

     

    Lastly I look for something to play to take my mind off   "things".

  • fascismfascism marquette, MIPosts: 358Member Uncommon
    If only those mods hadnt deleted all those posts about swtor on the forums it would have been a good game! image
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,772Member Uncommon
    i dont know what kind of content is getting silenced or deleted on the forums since i dont go there to check. With that said, every time i hear someone talking about TESO after E3 all i hear is bitching and crying about how TESO is dumbed down and screwed just because it has a console version now. So if that is the source of negative posts on their forums, mute them all, Zenimax, good job.

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,836Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by rojo6934
    i dont know what kind of content is getting silenced or deleted on the forums since i dont go there to check. With that said, every time i hear someone talking about TESO after E3 all i hear is bitching and crying about how TESO is dumbed down and screwed just because it has a console version now. So if that is the source of negative posts on their forums, mute them all, Zenimax, good job.

    yeah, mmo gamers are not happy if they cant complain about something.

    i just wish i could come here and get the info i want without constantly reading their garbage.

    sucks you have to sift though like 90% garbage here just to get 10% information. :(

  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Thereiam, ARPosts: 2,697Member

    The problem is a lot of gamers do not know how to have a constructive conversation or give constructive feedback about what they dislike. They also tend to have problems following forum rules/guidelines.

     

    So instead of going to a forum and having a thread along the lines of :

    "I am disappointed in the change of direction with feature X (let's randomly go with a made up topic of Origin Quests). Personally I feel that having a system where the outcome of the Origin Quests is chosen at the start making all of the choices made through out the quest irrelevant is worse than doing a system where the choices matter and that having a player surprised by what their character ends up as, as a result of those quests, is a good thing even if it may not be the character type that player would have initially chosen"

    they make a thread or post as such:

    "The developers are morons. The Origin Quest system has been dumbed down. Stop catering to casual gamers and focus on the hardcore!! You're making this game suckorz!!! Lawl at the epic failz!!!! Enjoy your WoW clones kiddies."

     

    They also tend to always start their own threads instead of looking for threads that exist on their topic and then see their thread getting locked as a duplicate either a "personal attack" or as "the devs are trying to silence us".

     

    Rarely is it ever that the mods are truly trying to silence everyone. It is almost always breaking forum guidelines or not knowing how to present a given opinion in a constructive manner or not knowing how to have a discussion with another player who has a differing point of view without resorting to personal attacks and name calling.

  • zaylinzaylin Olympia, WAPosts: 789Member

    Snarlingwolf

    Quote "or not knowing how to present a given opinion in a constructive manner or not knowing how to have a discussion with another player who has a differing point of view without resorting to personal attacks and name calling."

    Right on the nose :) , See I come here and read past the BS posts/threads, and love when people can be sensible . Those posts I enjoy. I have read a few opinions about TESO, and as to why they dont like said INFO. but it was done in a constructive way. Matter fact one of them was on TESOs official FB posts. 

    Who really wants to here some one bitch at them? Hmm, not me. heres a good example.

    I married (yes im going there) . When my wife or I bitches about something to one another ,the other party  tends to walk away (or not listen). But then, later on when she or I realize IF we approche our concern in a more respectful/constructive way, we tend to listen and here each other much better. 

    And I am in no way troll....oh wait if i say the word am I? LOL :)

    I used to do the OMG! about games too. especially when they extend release dates, but came to the realization, in the end it can only improve the game. Sure others are going to get mad because they are impatient. We will NEVER have a good Online game/MMO if this trend continues.

     

     

  • gamekid2kgamekid2k Austin, TXPosts: 360Member
    I read most of those post that got locked and/or deleted.  Many of them were long and very constructive criticism.  Those post should never been deleted.  Amazing how a company on 21st don't care about customer input.

    Now Playing: DARKFALL Unholy Wars "Return to Open World, Full Loot PvP, Conquest in a Sandbox MMO with player driven economy! Just like classic MMOs!"

  • IridescentOrkIridescentOrk Ellicott City, MDPosts: 157Member
    It's called bastardizing the IP. It was bound to happen sooner or later. If the game turns out to be a GW2 with better features, there should be some fun to be had, at least for 2 months or so.

    gameplay > graphics

  • zaylinzaylin Olympia, WAPosts: 789Member
    Originally posted by IridescentOrk
    It's called bastardizing the IP. It was bound to happen sooner or later. If the game turns out to be a GW2 with better features, there should be some fun to be had, at least for 2 months or so.

    Not from what I have been reading and watching. Sure its not going to have 100% of the SP mechanics. But they are making strides (from what ive read&heard) to capture the essence of ES. Im still 50/50 on TESO. we have all seen how this process works. WAR,SWTOR,FF14, Aion, Tera, Age of Conan, insert game here. Until the product is in my hands and Im playing it, then Ill have an opinion worth something. Hey even if I only like two thirds of the mechanics thats a win for me. 

  • jfoytekjfoytek tigard, ORPosts: 150Member

    I feel that game Moderators have a rough life they are suppose to figure out a way to toe the company line and keep the forum from degenerating into a bash fest.

     

    This is very hard today in the current game environment.  Many have had there favorite game come and go and they long to the glory days of that game.  And there are generations at war who grew up in different time periods trying to recreate what they miss.

     

    The biggest problem with the MMO universe is World of Warcraft.  Now I am not going to start bashing on wow I played it got tired of it, but lets face it for a huge number of people it was and still is a great game.  Probally the most successful of all time, but in the end it really wasn't for me.

    I was born in the age of Ultima Online another great MMO.  WoW and UO have some very stark differences, Ultima online had player housing and an amazing crafting system with all the content there to allow those with imagination and creativity to create there own end game.  WoW creates the end game by expanding content...  Different models of business, different types of players.

    The Problem is that my perfect model derived from UO really is no longer developed.

    huge open world with no personal instancing

    Great Crafting meaning you personally harvest the resources needed to craft and then a crafting system where what you make is actually usefull.

    Open world pvp

    Housing

    Darkfall is similar, Wurm Online maybe the closest but both lack in the ability to keep my hooked Wurm is an amazing game but its so slow.  If a company that actually had money could tweak that game but not gut it wow that would be a gem.

    As for Darkfall the original was better they went in the wrong direction.

     

    And I am just one example of a lost soul waiting for a game that fits my needs and there are tons of people out there like me waiting for a game that fits there own personal needs....  So when a game like TESO comes along were we loved the single player game we all get spun up and excited be cause we can all spin TESO into our perfect game that would meet our needs...

     

    For me TESO would have been an amazing Open world non instanced Gem with player housing and great crafting I could easily see this game transformed into a first person better graphiced form of Ultima Online but they didn't go that way....

     

    They went with the overly used Instanced Themepark crap that every game that's released today is some sort of bastardized form of the World of Warcraft model....  Because wow did so well we have to make our game like wow !!!

    But the dev's keep missing the mark that the BEST GAMES are the original GAMES

    WoW

    Eve

    Ultima Online

    EverQuest

    All these games created there own everything and became an example of something to clone.....

     

    Dev's need to stop cloning wow or they need to come up with something New Fresh not seen before!

     

     

    UO,Shadowbane,SWG,Darkfall,MO,Wurm Online,Secretworld,GW,GW2,PotBS,LotR,Atlantica Online,WWII Online,WoT,Battlestar Galactica,Planetside2,Perpetuum,Fallen Earth,Runescape,WoW,Eve,Xsylon,Dragon Prophet, Salem

  • LithiumTeaLithiumTea Shelby Township, MIPosts: 16Member
    Originally posted by flizzer
    If this is as good as GW2 this game will be amazing. 

    GW2 is boring. Jumping Puzzles... why???

     

    GW2 NPC's are boring. They fail to keep your attention. WoW players can rattle off  20 NPC names without blinking...

    GW2 players might struggle with 5 let alone 10 IMO. With WoW you have the HORDE and the ALLIANCE... Hell people who never played the game can Identify with both... 

    What does this have to with ESO?   Nothing

     

    The next great MMO will have a GREAT STORY with FUN NPC's. Characters poeple can connect with... Characters/NPC's that entertain...

    Once again... and IMO... GW2 Characters/NPC's are dry and boring.

    So.. does ESO have some of these WoW qualities?   If not, then it's just another Hyped up GW2.  

    I hope not... because I'm patiently waiting for the next MMO that grab's me by the throat and doesn't let  go.... Just like CoH did (5 years) and WoW.

    Oh yeah... GW2 Goldsink and Crafting disaster = FAIL

  • GishgeronGishgeron Princeton, KYPosts: 1,287Member

      I see this sort of complaint a ton.  Here's the deal.  Yes, you have a right to complain about whatever you want.  Yes, they should let you do so freely.  But the guy having technical issues has a right to have his post seen too.  So does the guy wanting to know where the quest giver is.  So does the guy wanting to know about the classes, or the guy wanting to see some screenshots.  Lots of guys, its a veritable sausage fest here, sorry ladies.

      The point is, merging this stuff and closing clone threads is the only way THOSE guys get to have their posts seen.  Its not fair to them that 3 people wanna spam the general forums with the same thing over and over in a gesture to make the game LOOK bad by having so many negative posts on the front page.  Its not fair to everyone else in the forum to basically have it shut down each time someone wants to piss and moan.

      So deal with it, and stop wallowing in your own crap.

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  • StrangerousStrangerous ny, ILPosts: 165Member
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      I see this sort of complaint a ton.  Here's the deal.  Yes, you have a right to complain about whatever you want.  Yes, they should let you do so freely.  But the guy having technical issues has a right to have his post seen too.  So does the guy wanting to know where the quest giver is.  So does the guy wanting to know about the classes, or the guy wanting to see some screenshots.  Lots of guys, its a veritable sausage fest here, sorry ladies.

      The point is, merging this stuff and closing clone threads is the only way THOSE guys get to have their posts seen.  Its not fair to them that 3 people wanna spam the general forums with the same thing over and over in a gesture to make the game LOOK bad by having so many negative posts on the front page.  Its not fair to everyone else in the forum to basically have it shut down each time someone wants to piss and moan.

      So deal with it, and stop wallowing in your own crap.

    Anyone with half a brain knows theres two types of complaints.  Someone stating an issue they have with the game, and people spamming the forums with known issues, trolling, or trying to blow up minor issues into game breaking issues.

    Usually with beta games, you have something that goes like this:

    1. an issue is discovered

    2. development acknowledges the issue and a  work is in the making

    3. forums get spammed with people begging for hourly updates, stating they are being ignored (WTF its been 2 days why no fix!?!?)

    3.5 step three evolves into "they don't care" with the spamming spreading to unrelated thread, I think the thought process is that spamming the issue makes them work faster.

    4. spammers get threads closed, or banned..then make alts to continue spamming using the "mods are Nazis" approach, and then spread to third party sites.

     

    The issue moves quickly from "hey guys theres a problem over here" to "this game is trash don't play stay away its the worst game ever the devs are worse than hitler"

    Irrational kids being irrational and demanding attention and the instant magical conjuring of code by developers.

    Same applies to people who do this regarding game mechanics and systems that they know the developers don't plan to do, or do them intentionally in a way they dislike.  They know their suggestions are being ignored because its not part of the vision or plan but will continue to spam them and draw up support, despite they know its not going to happen for a reason.

     

    yes ive been watching a ww2 doc while I write this.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by zaylin
    Originally posted by gamekid2k

    Today is indeed a very sad day for all long term follower of ESO development . Any kind of decent or negative E3 feedbacks are getting locked, deleted in the official forum  http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/  This eclipsed the infamous SWTOR mods. ZOS betrayed their fans with this sort of hard handed tactics. Come spring 2014,you are going to make all of us think twice about that $60 .

    I can't help but think this has GW2 written all over it. Hype after hype when the game is no where near ready...

     

     

    Actually maybe we as gamers should not be so quick to judge, honestly i just see a bunch of people  complaining and whining. I would shut the forums down too.  Its similar to when your wife is naging you (I love my wife, just an example) and you just want   to walk out of the room. The "Its never any good" feeling, Is what people are giving Developers, not just zenimax these days. 

    I would agree if this wasnt the MMO gaming genre in which most developers 9 times out of 10 over hype products and mislead the masses.

    when you been around that kind of thing for so long, what can you expect from consumers to react in this market? No game is off limits to the criticism if most developers continue to want to overhype and never deliver.

     

    why not overhype this time? I seriously can value a developer that doesn't overhype like Trion Worlds did for Rift. Wasnt overhyped and they even had open betas for a while to give people a true point of view of the game instead of a bias overhyped point of view. 

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  • MyTabbycatMyTabbycat SP, MOPosts: 312Member

    OP, at the risk of repeating what others have said in this thread, I'll post the following.

    Mods on the unofficial Official ESO forums on Bethsoft boards close threads for the following reasons:

    1. Subject is off topic (not related to Elder Scrolls Online)

    2. Subject is inflammatory or trollish. The topic chosen is done specifically and on purpose in order to get a specific reaction from readers. Sometimes they let these types of threads remain if there is a decent discussion going on in the thread despite the obvious bait attempts of the original poster.

    3. Thread exceeds or hits the 200 post limit (if any thread is closed for this reason, you can make a new one and label it part 2).

    4. The thread has derailed into personal attacks or spam.

    5. They are trying to keep all the conversations going on in one thread. When the mods close individual threads, they will point to the thread topic that is still open. You can re-post to the referenced thread if you wish. This is to prevent a bunch of open threads on the same topic and makes it easier to keep track of what is going on.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,836Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by zaylin Originally posted by gamekid2k Today is indeed a very sad day for all long term follower of ESO development . Any kind of decent or negative E3 feedbacks are getting locked, deleted in the official forum  http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/  This eclipsed the infamous SWTOR mods. ZOS betrayed their fans with this sort of hard handed tactics. Come spring 2014,you are going to make all of us think twice about that $60 . I can't help but think this has GW2 written all over it. Hype after hype when the game is no where near ready...    
    Actually maybe we as gamers should not be so quick to judge, honestly i just see a bunch of people  complaining and whining. I would shut the forums down too.  Its similar to when your wife is naging you (I love my wife, just an example) and you just want   to walk out of the room. The "Its never any good" feeling, Is what people are giving Developers, not just zenimax these days. 
    I would agree if this wasnt the MMO gaming genre in which most developers 9 times out of 10 over hype products and mislead the masses.

    when you been around that kind of thing for so long, what can you expect from consumers to react in this market? No game is off limits to the criticism if most developers continue to want to overhype and never deliver.

     

    why not overhype this time? I seriously can value a developer that doesn't overhype like Trion Worlds did for Rift. Wasnt overhyped and they even had open betas for a while to give people a true point of view of the game instead of a bias overhyped point of view. 


    i would argue that most of the hype is from the players themselves and their unrealistic or selfish expectations.

    in some cases the game developers do over-hype their product, they are trying to market their game after all.

    maybe they do feel it will be great and is fun to play. but the vile mmo community bashes every single game in development unless its an indie developer or an unknown mmo nobody gives a shit about.

    yet most of those indie games are trash too, even more so than the AAA budget ones IMO

    i think a lot of it has to do with gamer elitism, its just not cool to like the popular games and definitely not cool to be a fan of them.

    at least that is how it is on the forums i have noticed over recent years.

  • jimprounerjimprouner Hooters, VTPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by gamekid2k

    Today is indeed a very sad day for all long term follower of ESO development . Any kind of decent or negative E3 feedbacks are getting locked, deleted in the official forum  http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/  This eclipsed the infamous SWTOR mods. ZOS betrayed their fans with this sort of hard handed tactics. Come spring 2014,you are going to make all of us think twice about that $60 .

    I can't help but think this has GW2 written all over it. Hype after hype when the game is no where near ready...

    You can't talk about shit on the so called official forum.  The censoring on that site is insane.

     

    Someone who knew absolutely NOTHING about PCs started a can your PC run this game topic.  We don't really have any specific specs either, but that apparently didn't matter.  Anyways, the thread was riddled with this person giving people bad info like upgrade CPU before GPU, and all kinds of stuff.   I tell them not to talk about things unless actually know what they are talking about.  I post facts, actual facts, supported by evidence.  Then, I get suspended for coming off too hostile.  That dumb bitch is giving people bad advice for REAL LIFE, and I get suspended because I was being a tad too hostile.   Which I was, but its not like I was calling her a dumb bitch, which she is.  LOL!

    Here it is.  I warn you if you know anything about PC gaming your head will explode from the stupidity.

    http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1459939-unofficial-will-my-pc-run-teso-thread-1/page-6

    Apparently all my informative posts about PC specs were deleted, because it hurt someones feelings.   We wouldn't want that after all.  Some people might have wasted their real life money, because of these idiots, but what is really important is we don't hurt their feelings.

    Hell even the moderator posted defending here ignorance!

     

    I would recommend avoiding that place unless you want to have meaningless chats about kittens, and how wonderful ESO is.

  • GoldenTiger2GoldenTiger2 F., CTPosts: 39Member

    <blockquote><i>Originally posted by keithian</i>
    <br><b><blockquote> <i>Originally posted by Phry</i><br /> <blockquote> <b><i>Originally posted by zaylin</i></b><br /> <blockquote> <b><b><i>Originally posted by gamekid2k</i></b></b><br /> <p><b><b><b>Today is indeed a very sad day for all long term follower of ESO development . Any kind of decent or negative E3 feedbacks are getting locked, deleted in the official forum  http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/  This eclipsed the infamous SWTOR mods. ZOS betrayed their fans with this sort of hard handed tactics. Come spring 2014,you are going to make all of us think twice about that $60 .</b></b></b></p> <p><b><b><b>I can't help but think this has GW2 written all over it. Hype after hype when the game is no where near ready...</b></b></b></p> <p><b><b><b> </b></b></b></p> <p><b><b><b> </b></b></b></p> </blockquote> <p><b><b>Actually maybe we as gamers should not be so quick to judge, honestly i just see a bunch of people  complaining and whining. I would shut the forums down too.  Its similar to when your wife is naging you (I love my wife, just an example) and you just want   to walk out of the room. The "Its never any good" feeling, Is what people are giving Developers, not just zenimax these days. </b></b></p> </blockquote> <p><b>Yup totally agree with you, its far easier these days just to tell people to shut up than actually deal with negative feedback, and how dare players have an opinion contrary to the one they think we should have, for shame.<img border="0" src="http://images.mmorpg.com/images/emoticons/emt_crazy.gif"; /></b></p></blockquote><p>Oh give me a freaken break. There is a difference between constructive feedback versus troll and duplicate posts which add zero value.</p></b></blockquote>


    Yup, of course they are going to try to keep their own forums orderly. All I see is a bunch of whiners making tons of duplicate and inaccurate threads, who then got shut down and now ran to random places to cry foul despite being in the wrong.
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