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PS4 JUST WON CONSOLE WARS $399

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  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    I really liked the overall tone of Sony for their PS4 console.

    It basically was;

    I am going to show you that I support Indie devs as well as the big AAA.

    I am going to show you that I trust you.

    I am going to show you that yes I understand that it is all about the gamers.

    Ultimately, I am going to respect you and if you care about video games, you'll buy a PS4.

    Got my pre-order in for a PS4. :)

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  • plaxidiaplaxidia SwedenPosts: 171Member Uncommon

    Lets see.. No region lock -check
    No used game lock- check
    No online requirement - check
    Cheaper membership cost if one chooses to have it (I do)
    so many good, free PS+ games that I had to put in a 1tb hd in my ps3..

    Some folks may be purchasing the xbox console for specific titles but I would have to venture a GUESS that gamers who like variety and flexibility will buy the Ps4. Especially with the price. So I would honestly have to predict that PlayStation will sell a retarded amount of these and that will mean even more games for those of us who want them since developers make games to make money and you don't make money if the console you develop for has fewer owners. :)

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,044Member Uncommon
    NEWS FLASH, the PS4 does not include the camera. XBOX 1 does, so its not really apples to apples. Add $60 to the PS4, still less, still seems as if it will have more graphical prowess, so in the end its if you prefer the exclusives on the Xbox and think you want that camera. At least with PS4 you have a choice.

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  • BrandonMBrandonM Brantford, ONPosts: 19Member
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    I personally feel that EA won the conference wars but out of systems I think Microsoft had the better conference and it seemed like Sony had to start "throwing punches" because of their lackluster conference. Also I I really don't understand how people on a PC gaming site can hate on XB1 for their "no used games" (even tho those of you who say that really don't understand what Microsoft has said) when you can't trade in your games on Steam or for half of them play offline. I feel Microsoft went with more of a PC approach with the XB1 henche the installing and focus on using cloud to make it easier to access it other places. Both systems will have their good exclusives I just feel XB1 won.

    How was Sony throwing punches? You mean by announcing their support for used games? Or announcing that you don't have to connect online to play your games? Those weren't punches, those were just their stance which obviously people were interested in given the mass applause and cheering immediately after.

    If you like Xbox, that's fine. But Sony was really spot on with their E3 conference, they appealed to gamers and showed off a stellar line up and said everything gamers wanted to hear.

    For me, it always comes down to the exclusives and first party games. And Sony is by far still bringing the better line-up for my personal tastes. I understand most shooter fans want Halo and Gears of War though. Fable series is pretty cool, but I always get those on PC =D.

    To me they were throwing punches because the first what was it like 50 minutes of the conference? was just nothingness that no one cared about then they slowly started showing some games that have been announced for a while. When they showed the indie games I was disappointed because XBL has tons of amazing indie games that most people don't play so is somewhat filler. By the end people were just restless and wanted something to cheer for and that's when they finally decided eh lets just abuse the hate train! Also if sony said everything gamers wanted to hear why was the first while so focused on Movies and it took most of the conference to finally get some gameplay let alone something new announced? As for exclusives neither have really shown much of an interesting line up except for Titanfall for XB1 and KH3 for PS4 but god knows when that's going to be released. 

     

    I'm sorry don't try to state your opinion's as fact. Like I said, it comes down to the exclusives and all the exclusives Sony mentioned except for Gran Turismo were all very cool to me. But I have zero interest in any of the shooters Xbox One has coming out.

    But you weren't even watching the same thing I was. And your comments don't make sense. They were throwing punches because you thought the first 50 minutes were boring? What? Abuse the hate train? People have been honestly dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance as Xbox One. It's kind of been a big issue if you haven't been paying attention.

    It's ok if you're an Xbox fan, I originally had a 360 myself before PS3 started getting better/more first party games. But, these "features" Microsoft are imposing on the Xbox One are in no way benefiting you. I don't see why you should defend them.

    I don't care for either system at the moment because neither have really wow'd me with anything at the moment, even exclusives wise both systems have announced very few and it seems like they're relying on more so the AAA titles atleast for a year to establish some ground (like a new naughty dog game). I was watching the same conference so were the thousands who were also just begging for some gameplay and were all about to give up on the conference until they announced the stance on used games and not requiring constant connection. People weren't dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance everyone assumed they weren't that's why there was so much hate instantly towards the XB1. And actually these "features" do benefit us, why do you think EA was so quick to announce they were stopping the season pass a few weeks before E3? They were smart and realized that with the way Microsoft has their used games policy set up they can charge the stores (EB Games/Gamestop) instead of the customer and look like the good guy again if they WANT TO. PUBLISHERS DON'T HAVE TO USE THE SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE IT'S OPTIONAL! Also with their first party DRM set up there will be less pirating of those games and because they've had to add that DRM they put in allowing up to 10 people (close friends and family if you want) to use the same games library which means still easy sharing of their first party games.

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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    I personally feel that EA won the conference wars but out of systems I think Microsoft had the better conference and it seemed like Sony had to start "throwing punches" because of their lackluster conference. Also I I really don't understand how people on a PC gaming site can hate on XB1 for their "no used games" (even tho those of you who say that really don't understand what Microsoft has said) when you can't trade in your games on Steam or for half of them play offline. I feel Microsoft went with more of a PC approach with the XB1 henche the installing and focus on using cloud to make it easier to access it other places. Both systems will have their good exclusives I just feel XB1 won.

    How was Sony throwing punches? You mean by announcing their support for used games? Or announcing that you don't have to connect online to play your games? Those weren't punches, those were just their stance which obviously people were interested in given the mass applause and cheering immediately after.

    If you like Xbox, that's fine. But Sony was really spot on with their E3 conference, they appealed to gamers and showed off a stellar line up and said everything gamers wanted to hear.

    For me, it always comes down to the exclusives and first party games. And Sony is by far still bringing the better line-up for my personal tastes. I understand most shooter fans want Halo and Gears of War though. Fable series is pretty cool, but I always get those on PC =D.

    To me they were throwing punches because the first what was it like 50 minutes of the conference? was just nothingness that no one cared about then they slowly started showing some games that have been announced for a while. When they showed the indie games I was disappointed because XBL has tons of amazing indie games that most people don't play so is somewhat filler. By the end people were just restless and wanted something to cheer for and that's when they finally decided eh lets just abuse the hate train! Also if sony said everything gamers wanted to hear why was the first while so focused on Movies and it took most of the conference to finally get some gameplay let alone something new announced? As for exclusives neither have really shown much of an interesting line up except for Titanfall for XB1 and KH3 for PS4 but god knows when that's going to be released. 

     

    I'm sorry don't try to state your opinion's as fact. Like I said, it comes down to the exclusives and all the exclusives Sony mentioned except for Gran Turismo were all very cool to me. But I have zero interest in any of the shooters Xbox One has coming out.

    But you weren't even watching the same thing I was. And your comments don't make sense. They were throwing punches because you thought the first 50 minutes were boring? What? Abuse the hate train? People have been honestly dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance as Xbox One. It's kind of been a big issue if you haven't been paying attention.

    It's ok if you're an Xbox fan, I originally had a 360 myself before PS3 started getting better/more first party games. But, these "features" Microsoft are imposing on the Xbox One are in no way benefiting you. I don't see why you should defend them.

    I don't care for either system at the moment because neither have really wow'd me with anything at the moment, even exclusives wise both systems have announced very few and it seems like they're relying on more so the AAA titles atleast for a year to establish some ground (like a new naughty dog game). I was watching the same conference so were the thousands who were also just begging for some gameplay and were all about to give up on the conference until they announced the stance on used games and not requiring constant connection. People weren't dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance everyone assumed they weren't that's why there was so much hate instantly towards the XB1. And actually these "features" do benefit us, why do you think EA was so quick to announce they were stopping the season pass a few weeks before E3? They were smart and realized that with the way Microsoft has their used games policy set up they can charge the stores (EB Games/Gamestop) instead of the customer and look like the good guy again if they WANT TO. PUBLISHERS DON'T HAVE TO USE THE SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE IT'S OPTIONAL! Also with their first party DRM set up there will be less pirating of those games and because they've had to add that DRM they put in allowing up to 10 people (close friends and family if you want) to use the same games library which means still easy sharing of their first party games.

    Problem is, EA games won't have the season pass stuff on PS4 games either :). So PS4 users can buy used EA games with no season pass needed. And they showed tons of gameplay before that point. I really have no idea what you are talking about!

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member

    Well, if Sony does the same kind of cell phone type plan thing, with their premium service, then yeah they will probably do much better than the Xbox, if the games are roughly equal.

     

    MS is going to offer $200 off if you commit to 24 months of premium online game service (which a lot of people already buy), Sony is going to make you pay on the PS4 for the same type of stuff someone said, so if they offer a subsidizing at the $200 rate, that could knock them both down to $299 for Xbox and $199 for the PS4.

     

    If Sony doesn't do this, then it could get interesting, price wise.

     

    I also wonder, do gaming companies stand to make more money from the Xbox per title (Assuming it sells the same amount of copies) than the PS4?  I do not know if they explained how they are doing the used games, but if they limit things or make you pay to active a used game, I am sure the developer will get a cut of it.  This could lead to more exclusives maybe for the Xbox, if they can keep the systems sold close with subsidies and such.

     

    Having a cheaper and or better system doesn't mean much to someone, if the games they really want to play are not on their system, or their friends have a different system and they cannot play with them.

     

    I think it is too early to officially declare anything over, but from the start, it does seem like a little bit of a risky move by MS to go the direction they are.

     

  • hfztthfztt GlostrupPosts: 841Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BrandonM

    The big issue here is how accessible things are online. If I wasn't able to go and look up any game I wanted and download it and have it cracked and playing within 10 minutes there wouldn't be such extreme DRMs trying to keep developers in business.

    I dont do piracy, nor condone it. I dont mind DRM as such. But any DRM that gets in my way or makes me worse off for having bought the original product is problematic.

  • xpowderxxpowderx Radcliff, KYPosts: 2,131Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by BrandonM
    I personally feel that EA won the conference wars but out of systems I think Microsoft had the better conference and it seemed like Sony had to start "throwing punches" because of their lackluster conference. Also I I really don't understand how people on a PC gaming site can hate on XB1 for their "no used games" (even tho those of you who say that really don't understand what Microsoft has said) when you can't trade in your games on Steam or for half of them play offline. I feel Microsoft went with more of a PC approach with the XB1 henche the installing and focus on using cloud to make it easier to access it other places. Both systems will have their good exclusives I just feel XB1 won.

    How was Sony throwing punches? You mean by announcing their support for used games? Or announcing that you don't have to connect online to play your games? Those weren't punches, those were just their stance which obviously people were interested in given the mass applause and cheering immediately after.

    If you like Xbox, that's fine. But Sony was really spot on with their E3 conference, they appealed to gamers and showed off a stellar line up and said everything gamers wanted to hear.

    For me, it always comes down to the exclusives and first party games. And Sony is by far still bringing the better line-up for my personal tastes. I understand most shooter fans want Halo and Gears of War though. Fable series is pretty cool, but I always get those on PC =D.

    To me they were throwing punches because the first what was it like 50 minutes of the conference? was just nothingness that no one cared about then they slowly started showing some games that have been announced for a while. When they showed the indie games I was disappointed because XBL has tons of amazing indie games that most people don't play so is somewhat filler. By the end people were just restless and wanted something to cheer for and that's when they finally decided eh lets just abuse the hate train! Also if sony said everything gamers wanted to hear why was the first while so focused on Movies and it took most of the conference to finally get some gameplay let alone something new announced? As for exclusives neither have really shown much of an interesting line up except for Titanfall for XB1 and KH3 for PS4 but god knows when that's going to be released. 

     

    I'm sorry don't try to state your opinion's as fact. Like I said, it comes down to the exclusives and all the exclusives Sony mentioned except for Gran Turismo were all very cool to me. But I have zero interest in any of the shooters Xbox One has coming out.

    But you weren't even watching the same thing I was. And your comments don't make sense. They were throwing punches because you thought the first 50 minutes were boring? What? Abuse the hate train? People have been honestly dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance as Xbox One. It's kind of been a big issue if you haven't been paying attention.

    It's ok if you're an Xbox fan, I originally had a 360 myself before PS3 started getting better/more first party games. But, these "features" Microsoft are imposing on the Xbox One are in no way benefiting you. I don't see why you should defend them.

    I don't care for either system at the moment because neither have really wow'd me with anything at the moment, even exclusives wise both systems have announced very few and it seems like they're relying on more so the AAA titles atleast for a year to establish some ground (like a new naughty dog game). I was watching the same conference so were the thousands who were also just begging for some gameplay and were all about to give up on the conference until they announced the stance on used games and not requiring constant connection. People weren't dying to know if PS4 was going to take the same stance everyone assumed they weren't that's why there was so much hate instantly towards the XB1. And actually these "features" do benefit us, why do you think EA was so quick to announce they were stopping the season pass a few weeks before E3? They were smart and realized that with the way Microsoft has their used games policy set up they can charge the stores (EB Games/Gamestop) instead of the customer and look like the good guy again if they WANT TO. PUBLISHERS DON'T HAVE TO USE THE SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE IT'S OPTIONAL! Also with their first party DRM set up there will be less pirating of those games and because they've had to add that DRM they put in allowing up to 10 people (close friends and family if you want) to use the same games library which means still easy sharing of their first party games.

    This reminds me of a USED CAR SALESMAN throwing a PITCH to sell you that YUGO over the Porsche you have your eye on!

    Gotta love someone attempting to defend a inferior product through Direct Retail Marketing  points!

     

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    Porsche:

  • IllyssiaIllyssia LondonPosts: 1,524Member
    Originally posted by keithian
    NEWS FLASH, the PS4 does not include the camera. XBOX 1 does, so its not really apples to apples. Add $60 to the PS4, still less, still seems as if it will have more graphical prowess, so in the end its if you prefer the exclusives on the Xbox and think you want that camera. At least with PS4 you have a choice.

    Is the camera really actually critical to much of the gaming or is it just for social networking like Skype that you might do via the  Xbox One. If as most think it is mostly the later then Sony have made the better choice in making it an option. M$ are selling you an inferior spec console at an inflated all-the-options-in deal.

  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Never owned a Playstation console before, PS4 will be my first.  It just beats Xbox One hands down.  I don't even know what Nintendo is trying to do anymore, I think they need to go the way of Sega and focus on games.
  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    Hey boys it doesnt include a camera - lol you think gamers buy dance studio and start swinging ?
    Hell no fuck the camera and give me a controller - thats what gamers want.
    They dont want to swing their dick infront of a camera and scream fake voice commands.
    Just that damn controller and epic games.

    Xbox is in for a world of hurt, this war is won by Sony.
    Each poll, each site, each blogger, each tube reporter, the whole fucking word says Sony won the heart of gamers.

    Except the hardcore Xbox boys offcourse, they will eat shit from Microsoft and say it taste good.

    Also extremely nice Sony dint give in to the microsoft / EA greed of only buying a licence to play a game and not realy own it.
    Or all those soldiers out there want doesnt have internet and want to chill out a little, and cant as Xbox needs to check your machine and disable gaming oO <-----disable your gaming machine you payed for <-----

    List goes on and on and on.
    Ryse looked cool but thats it, Xbox Go Home.

  • SulaaSulaa nPosts: 1,151Member Common
    PS4 do not have damn spying "I can check if you're in the room and what you're watching and I am always turned on, have to be connected for console to work and I am always online" Kinect camera.   Don't forget taht.    This alone make PS4 win over damn Xbox.
  • GrailerGrailer HamiltonPosts: 876Member Uncommon
    So many amazing games to play soon ,  I thought I would be playing WildStar but after seeing the games available on PS4 it appears that WildStar is last on my list of games to play now .
  • khartokhar3khartokhar3 HannoverPosts: 486Member
    my last console was the ps1. guess i will get a ps4 now. 399€, no drm etc makes the decision realy easy.
  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by khartokhar3
    my last console was the ps1. guess i will get a ps4 now. 399€, no drm etc makes the decision realy easy.

    I keep seeing this and shaking my head.

     

    No DRM?

     

    You people seriously believe that?

     

    There are no words for the level of delusion involved.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Precusor
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Loved how people went NUTS soon as they announced support for used games and no online checking.

    Check this out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA&feature=youtu.be

    Chuckle...I love marketing, sometimes :)

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Myria
    Originally posted by khartokhar3
    my last console was the ps1. guess i will get a ps4 now. 399€, no drm etc makes the decision realy easy.

    I keep seeing this and shaking my head.

     

    No DRM?

     

    You people seriously believe that?

     

    There are no words for the level of delusion involved.

    I think what many are referring to is this... 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

    Where as Microsoft has done a great deal to hinder used game sales and such. 

    I mean come on... to trade a game these are some of the hoops you must go through. They must be on your friends list for 30 days or more before you can trade to them and after that the game can only be traded once?! 

     

    When you see no DRM from Sony what they are referring to is how pro-consumer the PS4 is in comparison to the Xbox One which seems to be extremely anti-consumer and anti used game sales. 

  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by Precusor
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Loved how people went NUTS soon as they announced support for used games and no online checking.

    Check this out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA&feature=youtu.be

    Chuckle...I love marketing, sometimes :)

    It's the best and only route sonly could have went marketing wise, and smart of them to even make fun of microsoft for it. I don't know if this was the plan a month ago, but a college marketing grad could have told sony that they'd outsell microsoft easily if they just say one thing (NO DRM). Leave it on the software companies to instititute it, not the hardware companies. 

  • OpapanaxOpapanax Rochester, NYPosts: 973Member

    The price of the system was always going to be the defining moment for the Playstation.

    I had no concerns about the tech or the games. The price makes my choice even more "fanboy" at this point..

    PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  • freegamesfreegames san gabriel, CAPosts: 158Member
    PS1-fantastic, amazing games
    PS2-great, yet more amazing games
    PS3-interesting, good games
    PS4-me wants

    Xbox-decent
    Xbox 360-RROD King, good games
    Xbox One- back to square one

    $399 beats $499 simply 20% less.
  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILPosts: 1,777Member

    PS4 didn't win because of its price...the eye device will cost around $100.

     

    The PS4 won because the XBOX ONE is taking away ownership rights of the game while still asking people to pay the full price for them. Now if MS had changed it so instead of paying $50 for the games, since we wont actually OWN them and instead...leased them to us for a period of time for say...$5. They may have pulled the rug out from under Sony while trying to kill the used game sales market.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon

    The ability to trade used games isn't a selling point for me.  Sony pulled a great marketing move by offering a pared down PS4 (no camera, no their version of kinect, 500GB hd) for a little cheaper.

    I'm curious how much a fully stacked XB1 and PS4 are going to cost?  How much is the 1TB+ version?  How much for all the peripherals?  The prices don't seem that different to me.  I don't like the idea that I need to pay extra for either service to play online games.

    If they were a bit cheaper ($250 - $300), came with larger hard drives and 3D BD players then I could see buying one as a replacement to my current BD Player.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by plaxidia

    Lets see.. No region lock -check
    No used game lock- check
    No online requirement - check
    Cheaper membership cost if one chooses to have it (I do)
    so many good, free PS+ games that I had to put in a 1tb hd in my ps3..

    Some folks may be purchasing the xbox console for specific titles but I would have to venture a GUESS that gamers who like variety and flexibility will buy the Ps4. Especially with the price. So I would honestly have to predict that PlayStation will sell a retarded amount of these and that will mean even more games for those of us who want them since developers make games to make money and you don't make money if the console you develop for has fewer owners. :)

    Actually it's more like this:

    Region Lock:  PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

    Used Game Lock:  PS4 - Publisher Decides, XB1 - Yes

    Online Check:  PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

    Membership Cost: PS4 and XB1 are the same if you purchase monthly, both offer discounts on bulk time purchases.  Both will offer free games to subscribers.

    The vanilla offering of each will only have a 500GB hd.  That can fill up fast.  How much will it cost to upgrade each?

    They really aren't too much different.  Sony is more permissive which will appeal to younger (especially more cash strapped) gamers.  Most older gamers I know don't worry about some of those things like region lock or online verification.

    What happens if Microsoft loosens some of its more restrictive policies?  Does that level the playing field?  The smooth integration with Win8 and Win Phone 8 are also longer terms strengths for the XB1.  The PS4 definitely has the advantage out of the gate, but long term it's still pretty open.  Declaring victory this early is premature.

  • ElijarhElijarh ViennaPosts: 73Member

    Could'nt give a dogs cock. Don't want either.

    :D

    Eli

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade BucurestiPosts: 770Member Uncommon
    Did you guys notice that the guy from MS "made some mistakes", saying that MGS5 and Titalfall are XBOX One exclusives, while they are not?
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