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The Power of Being Silenced by other players.

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon

    wow clearly this has to be a joke of a system. Check out that first page. The developers exposed themselves. lol.

    I am having a hard time believing this. can anybody prove this is legit?

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?292362-Chat-Banned-Proof-this-system-sucks

    Since everyone seems to be missing the issue.... The problem isn't being banned from zone chat, the problem is being banned from every form of communicating in game. Because you get banned from zone chat, you essentially cannot play for 24 hours unless you have other player's information out of game.

    People reporting you, and getting you banned for "spamming" chat disables:

    Guild chat.
    Whispers.
    Party chat.
    Cannot ask for a rez while in a group. (only the color flashes)
    Chat in ALL of Cryptic's games. (Seriously... Sounds so insane that it has to be a joke... But it's not. What?)

    For 24 hours.

    This is one of the only MMOs I've played (out of a substantial amount) that allows people to essentially punish anyone they want and ruin their gaming experience. It takes 20 people to remove you from all chat for 24 hours. 20 people out of over a thousand in the main city at any given time. This could be a guild targeting people for fun, just to troll them.

    Some solutions could be:

    -Establish distinct trade and LFG chats.
    -A rate limiter, that limits messages to once every 30 seconds to a minute.
    -Reporting spam ~ Removing someone from zone chat for a limited time that increases over the amount of reports.
    -A ban from zone chat only.
    -Increasing the threshold on the amount of reports required (still does not fix the problem of being banned from all forms of communication)

    By allowing people to report spam, and letting them know that it's going to have direct consequences on the people they are doing it to ~ fosters a toxic community that gets off on the thrill that they can ruin the game for someone else. See this thread for proof.
     

    Quote Originally Posted by shahualing View Post

    Personally, I enjoy it. It's instant justice.

    (page 6)

    Original Post:


    This is the 3rd time I have been chat banned for doing nothing other than trying to buy an item or trying to find people for a group.

    Not spam. It's becoming more and more frequent for everyone I play with as well. Try to LFG? Chat banned. Try to find people? Chat banned.

    It's one thing to chat ban someone from zone. But chat banning from party chat? From whispers? From guild chat? That's a broken system. Ban me from zone, I would accept it. But people are intentionally ruining the game for everyone else just because they post something in zone chat.



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  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon

    I just find it hilarious how people cry about how LoL is lowering the importance of the tribunal, but they don't want it in any other game XD.  I think it's a good thing.  ANYTHING can be exploited in games if someone is determined enough.  It's just like a lock on your house...if someone wants in bad enough, they're going to get in...

     

    I could make 5 accounts and have them run dailies together, then trade the AD to my main...boom exploited 5x daily ad (an actual exploit that people are being banned over as we speak)... I could take those same 5 and run quests and boom, lots of gold, not to mention they would level up really really fast and easy.  Run out of character slots, make another account, boom saved $5 on character slots...there's a million exploits in any game, whether someone uses them or not is a different matter.

  • Pandaman102Pandaman102 Hong KongPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by Gravarg

    I could make 5 accounts and have them run dailies together, then trade the AD to my main...boom exploited 5x daily ad (an actual exploit that people are being banned over as we speak)... I could take those same 5 and run quests and boom, lots of gold, not to mention they would level up really really fast and easy.  Run out of character slots, make another account, boom saved $5 on character slots...there's a million exploits in any game, whether someone uses them or not is a different matter.

    What you just described are things that affect your own enjoyment of the game, for better or worse; anything that can be exploited to negatively impact another person's experience of a game isn't a good thing.

     

    For example, with the recent Astral Diamond exploit:

    It wasn't the AH that was being exploited, it was a flaw in the AH that was exploited. That flaw was a bug that allowed the AH to accept and process negative values.

    Similarly, what's being exploited isn't the mute system itself. It's a flaw in the mute system. That flaw is how incredibly fucking easy it is to exploit, with absolutely no review process or any accountability for exploiters.

     

    A better system would be to have players report a spammer, which flags the account for automated tracking. If the system notes the person says the same (or similar) phrase x number of times within y amount of time, then it applies a "token" to the account and mutes that account for an equivalent number of hours (and that token will take the same amount of time to decay after the mute is over, a "probation" period, if you will); if the account detected as spamming again during the "probation", the system will double the number of "tokens" and imposes that many hours of mute again.

     

    Theoretically this should prevent people who aren't spamming from being muted automatically, while people who are spamming receive increasingly harder slaps on the wrist if they maintain that behavior, and without imposing artificial reporting limits on the more vigilant players and requiring Cryptic/PWE to write another paycheck for - gasp - a GM.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Good feature but needs some tweaking to avoid abuse....easy way would be to give people like 3-5 times per day they can do this.

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  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member

    i think the system is retarded, here is a tip you dont wanna here spam in zone or trade chats turn them off,

    casue trade is for the purpose of selling and buying its going to get spammed and if ya think zone chat is good in any game well, ok some are worse then others but in general dont pay attention to it.

    i dont turn ether off i just put them in a alternate tab or simpy ignore them its not that hard,

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  • zastenzasten nowherePosts: 283Member

    Getting banned for lfg, just plain sucks!

    If your having trouble playing, then you either play with others or quit. If you can't play with others, then there is only one option left!

     

    A better system would be to start with a small time ban of say 10 minutes and if the offender repeats the offense, then make the ban longer!

  • DibdabsDibdabs FelvershamPosts: 2,604Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Squeak69

    i think the system is retarded, here is a tip you dont wanna here spam in zone or trade chats turn them off...

    Ahhh, but I like answering the questions asked by new players, so I'll just ignore your (I use the term loosely) "advice."  I'll continue to enjoy /reporting anyone who abuses the system by posting their crap so fast that I end up seeing it two or three times in my 8-line high Chat box.  When people get banned for that, they deserve it.  

    Chat IS getting better though - in a 15 minute stint I only reported 5 people for doing that last night.

    EDIT:  For anyone interested there's a poll thread asking what people think about the /report system.  So far 73.94% of voters love it, 16.20% hate it and 9.85% have "other feelings"...

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?300482-Do-you-have-a-problem-with-the-current-community-policing-(24h-Mute)

    Vote away!!  

  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common

    Chat IS getting better though - in a 15 minute stint I only reported 5 people for doing that last night.

    So you see, 5 people in 15 mins, because 5 people are NOT playing how this person wants them to play.  Not even for a bannable offense, not even for saying something past the line, not even violating terms of agreement.  But by simply posting thier trades, this player feels that DESERVES A FULL SILENCE in say chat, guild chat, party chat, zone chat for a whole 24 hours all because YOU do not fit his playstyle of gaming in chat!   

     

     

    The main question is, shouldn't Perfect world have a GM available to ensure that when a person who has not broken any terms of service and has been silenced, to ensure its against the terms of agreement you agreed to and not just because someone doesn't  feel you deserve to speak because of some off the wall reason?

  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common

    EDIT:  For anyone interested there's a poll thread asking what people think about the /report system.  So far 73.94% of voters love it, 16.20% hate it and 9.85% have "other feelings"...

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?300482-Do-you-have-a-problem-with-the-current-community-policing-(24h-Mute)

    Vote away!!  

    16% of the player base hates it and probably have been either silenced or knows someone who was wrongfully silenced and quit.   That should be an alarm to Perfect World that people are being wrongfully silence and are disliking a feature of the game.   The 73% probably never had a ban yet in chat so they might love it thinking that some GM might be there to make sure false bans don't happen,  BUT THERE ISN'T.  9% are the people who think its a good idea, but know that its being used wrongfully.

     

    If you were silenced for 24 hours and your part of the minority, how would you feel, might it make you quit?

  • Xaaz23Xaaz23 Crystal Lake, ILPosts: 22Member

    It's a terrible system and my guild decided to take advantage of it for some fun before we all left. We all went to PE and picked random people in chat. Didn't matter what they said. Announced the person in vent and all clicked report spam. Did this for hours laughing our asses off as you never saw from them again that day.

     

    Needless to say, this was done as a test to see if this can be controlled and it certainly can. This game is a joke, PE is a joke, and I am glad we have all moved back to RIFT.

  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common
    Originally posted by Xaaz23

    It's a terrible system and my guild decided to take advantage of it for some fun before we all left. We all went to PE and picked random people in chat. Didn't matter what they said. Announced the person in vent and all clicked report spam. Did this for hours laughing our asses off as you never saw from them again that day.

     

    Needless to say, this was done as a test to see if this can be controlled and it certainly can. This game is a joke, PE is a joke, and I am glad we have all moved back to RIFT.

    I guess this might be proof why a GM needs to look at this system when someones reported.  Its scary to think that people could do this guildwide.  I feel sorry for all those innocent people you did this to, and they probably quit because of it, which is why we need oversight on this.

  • DrDwarfDrDwarf TeesidePosts: 475Member

    I got a 24 hr... 

     

    I think I'll go for another in a couple of days.

     

    It is game endorsed bullying .. got to embrace it 

  • asdarasdar Tequesta, FLPosts: 662Member Uncommon

    Even if a ban is unfair it's only 24 hours. I'd volunteer to ban myself to get rid of the spammers and people who can't be respectful in chat. If you quit because of a ban then I suspect that the quitting either isn't driven by the chat, or that the banning was justified and you're quitting because your favorite part of any game is annoying people.

    Asdar

  • DrDwarfDrDwarf TeesidePosts: 475Member

    Respectful ?

     

    What on this earth makes you think you are entitled to respect and that people you deem to have been disrespectful should be capable of being silenced by you ?

     

    Want to know what destroys mmorpg communities .. people like you that are given power to stop other people playing the game when you and the rest of the community should have to use wit, inteligence or other means to marginalis players you dont want to associate with.

    There is a difference between being able to ignore gold spammers and report them to the games company to deal with, and being able to mute any player you like becausue you and a few others dont like what they are saying or how they choose to role play in a virtual world.

    Respect ...pfft ... real men and women now it is something you earn.

     

  • WereLlamaWereLlama Lubbock, TXPosts: 243Member

    The design the OP discussed allows others to grief and discourages some types of healthy communication (player+player content).

    I think a more ideal solution is rewarding players who communicate in a respectful and/or fun way and discouraging them when they are not (but definately not silence them among those that were not even there during the incident).

    -WL

  • WraithoneWraithone Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 3,592Member Uncommon
    I almost totally ignored chat, from 1-60 on my GWF.  Since GWF's typically get kicked from dungeons, just for being GWF, I gave up on dungeons, and just soloed to 60.  Then I left the game.  If they add a class I have interest in, I might go back.  As for chat bans, just like anything else, it can be abused.  But I've seen games that are TOTALLY over run by gold spam bots (Raiderz is a glaring example) to the point that chat is useless.  If the Dev's can't be bothered to deal with these problems, this is the next best thing.
  • SholShol berlinPosts: 361Member

    The scary part of this feature are the people in this thread who think its perfectly good.

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Xaaz23 It's a terrible system and my guild decided to take advantage of it for some fun before we all left. We all went to PE and picked random people in chat. Didn't matter what they said. Announced the person in vent and all clicked report spam. Did this for hours laughing our asses off as you never saw from them again that day.   Needless to say, this was done as a test to see if this can be controlled and it certainly can. This game is a joke, PE is a joke, and I am glad we have all moved back to RIFT.
    I guess this might be proof why a GM needs to look at this system when someones reported.  Its scary to think that people could do this guildwide.  I feel sorry for all those innocent people you did this to, and they probably quit because of it, which is why we need oversight on this.


    Oversight won't work. There are too many people playing at the same time, so the only way to have enough oversight would be allowing players to be the ones to do the checking. It would be just another level of things that could be abused.

    They just need to add a cost, so that reporting someone as an attempt to troll someone isn't a long term possibility. Since the bans are for twenty four hours, then adding a limit on the number of reports per 24 hours would probably balance things a little better.

    It wouldn't stop an entire guild that's leaving the game from doing something like what was described, but then again, not much is going to stop people who have nothing to lose.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • Pandaman102Pandaman102 Hong KongPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    They just need to add a cost, so that reporting someone as an attempt to troll someone isn't a long term possibility. Since the bans are for twenty four hours, then adding a limit on the number of reports per 24 hours would probably balance things a little better.

    They won't. Plenty of suggestions like this one have been offered to Cryptic over the years and it has always fallen on deaf ears, the official word is that it's "working as intended".

     

    Like the negative bids exploit, it's going to take a group of people willing to sacrifice some (free) accounts to mute every person in game over the weekend for Cryptic to realize there's a flaw in the system.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Pandaman102
    Originally posted by lizardbones They just need to add a cost, so that reporting someone as an attempt to troll someone isn't a long term possibility. Since the bans are for twenty four hours, then adding a limit on the number of reports per 24 hours would probably balance things a little better.
    They won't. Plenty of suggestions like this one have been offered to Cryptic over the years and it has always fallen on deaf ears, the official word is that it's "working as intended".

     

    Like the negative bids exploit, it's going to take a group of people willing to sacrifice some (free) accounts to mute every person in game over the weekend for Cryptic to realize there's a flaw in the system.




    Then it's working as Cryptic intended it to work. Either learn to live with it or don't play the game. Unless discussing it is actually making anyone happy, there's no reason to even bother talking about it.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • ComafComaf Chicago, ILPosts: 1,154Member Common
    Originally posted by kasta
    That's awesome!  I'm all for letting the server silence the pricks who spam so I can save a slot on my ignore list.  If they quit because of it, the better.

    Making me want to log back in!  Impressive!!!

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  • Pandaman102Pandaman102 Hong KongPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     

    Then it's working as Cryptic intended it to work. Either learn to live with it or don't play the game. Unless discussing it is actually making anyone happy, there's no reason to even bother talking about it.

    I'm just pointing out it won't change due to Cryptic's historical stance on the issue. Theoretically that should stop discussion about the subject faster than pointing out flaws in other ideas on how the system can improve and following up with your own ideas.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Pandaman102
    Originally posted by lizardbones   Then it's working as Cryptic intended it to work. Either learn to live with it or don't play the game. Unless discussing it is actually making anyone happy, there's no reason to even bother talking about it.
    I'm just pointing out it won't change due to Cryptic's historical stance on the issue. Theoretically that should stop discussion about the subject faster than pointing out flaws in other ideas on how the system can improve and following up with your own ideas.


    Well, what's really being discussed is how much people like it or dislike it. That can go on for a very long time.

    My advice may not apply to you, but I think it still stands. Either live with it or if living with it is too much, don't play their games. It won't really change anything, but someone could get one with either enjoying the game or finding a game they do enjoy.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • Pandaman102Pandaman102 Hong KongPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Well, what's really being discussed is how much people like it or dislike it. That can go on for a very long time.

    My advice may not apply to you, but I think it still stands. Either live with it or if living with it is too much, don't play their games. It won't really change anything, but someone could get one with either enjoying the game or finding a game they do enjoy.

    Ah, fair enough, my apologies.

  • PiratePetePiratePete Harrison Township, MIPosts: 105Member

    to op:

     

    it'd  be fine if it was just whispers and zone chat. Most people wouldn't bother inviting a gold spammer to a guild or party and those who abuse the system and have them muted from zone can still communicate with their guildies and party members. 

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