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  • AdokasAdokas KristiansandPosts: 217Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by Grailer

    It's just business to sell things that appeal to people . If people are willing to pay for it then that's good they are supporting your FREE game .

     

    You get to game for FREE and they get to waste money on stuff you know you can obtain by playing .

     

    Everyone wins and everyone is happy .

    is that what you're seeing here ? everyone being happy ?

     

    in a very old play, where the word "robot" is first mentioned one of the main characters (human) notices the robots are equipped with the ability to feel pain - so they don't damage themselves and try to keep themselves functional - but no other emotions. She thinks that if they'd have full emotions they'd understand how much humans love and appreciate them and we'd all live together as one big happy family.

     

    can you guess the result ?

     

    1) we're better than you. We're faster, stronger, smarter.

    2) we are your slaves. despite our superiority.

    3) we are designed to be like you.

     

    Therefore, from 1, 2 and 3 results that in order to be more like you we must eliminate your kind and secure ourselves as the sole masters of the world. Just like you'd do if you were in our position.

    I liked this. Great post :> That's exactly how things become eventually in F2P games. The high payers who sustain the game want more and more and more for their money. Else, what is the point of paying, yes?

  • ArthasmArthasm LoznicaPosts: 754Member Uncommon

    I don't blame Trion at all. I salute them. Cash shop is freaking awesome. Can't wait to see how they will milk money from stupid, retarded, imbecile players without single nanogram of brain. F2P is future. Future is dumb. Why I need to waste my empty brain cells on hard bosses (which wrotten tactic is not longer than 200 letters) to get gear, when I can buy it ("Look, nab, I got better gear than you, gtfo scrub")!

    Ok, now, it's not at all big deal, that cash shop, but will become problem when you group with cashshoppers with imba gear, but no brain. As someone already said, they will nerf shit out of raids/mechanic to catter for casuals (read: dumb shoppers).

    GG.

  • LummLumm amarillo, TXPosts: 132Member
    I'm still shocked that they have any max level gear in there period. That is totally unacceptable in my book. I was a huge Trion supporter before and this just kills off this company for me. I'll take my time else where, thankfully FFXIV is coming up real soon.
  • KazuhiroKazuhiro Hampshire, AZPosts: 514Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by Grunty
    Equivalent bags are readily available from other players in the auction house. This isn't an asian game where the only way to get more bag space is to pay cash for it.

    Does it matter.... you can buy the currency for the shop from other players too. Doesn't change the fact that they are doing it.

    I am so tired of Free 2 Play games and cash shops, that I am writing off the 11 months left on my year sub, because they will not refund it.

    For the love of god man, you can get your money back if it's only been one month, credit card chargeback, paypal dispute, whatever payment you used short of money order has a way to get your money back after only a month. Don't waste your money by doing nothing.

    To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.

  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by Arthasm

    I don't blame Trion at all. I salute them. Cash shop is freaking awesome. Can't wait to see how they will milk money from stupid, retarded, imbecile players without single nanogram of brain. F2P is future. Future is dumb. Why I need to waste my empty brain cells on hard bosses (which wrotten tactic is not longer than 200 letters) to get gear, when I can buy it ("Look, nab, I got better gear than you, gtfo scrub")!

    Ok, now, it's not at all big deal, that cash shop, but will become problem when you group with cashshoppers with imba gear, but no brain. As someone already said, they will nerf shit out of raids/mechanic to catter for casuals (read: dumb shoppers).

    GG.

     

    wow is p2p but can you imagine if the hc dungeons were like tbc ones? can you imagine yourself doing shattered halls hc with lfg? i dont even mention raiding. just imagine tbc hc's.

    so cash shops are not the cause. companies made the community like this and you know something? most ppl like it. they want casualness. most of them don't want to spent hours after hours to complete a single hc dungeon. either some1 likes it or not, this is the truth anymore.

  • Big.Daddy.SamediBig.Daddy.Samedi Edmonton, ABPosts: 148Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kazuhiro
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by Grunty
    Equivalent bags are readily available from other players in the auction house. This isn't an asian game where the only way to get more bag space is to pay cash for it.

    Does it matter.... you can buy the currency for the shop from other players too. Doesn't change the fact that they are doing it.

    I am so tired of Free 2 Play games and cash shops, that I am writing off the 11 months left on my year sub, because they will not refund it.

    For the love of god man, you can get your money back if it's only been one month, credit card chargeback, paypal dispute, whatever payment you used short of money order has a way to get your money back after only a month. Don't waste your money by doing nothing.

    Actually my bank has stated I need to go to Trion for a refund as I use a Visa Debit card (I do not keep normal credit cards, cancelled them all a while back)... this is the first time I have ever tried to charge anything back. I will just take it as a lesson learned to NEVER buy a year sub again. *shrug*

  • Big.Daddy.SamediBig.Daddy.Samedi Edmonton, ABPosts: 148Member Uncommon
    Now that I have had some time to relax and ponder the shop. I really don't care anymore. If you like the shop and the move to free to play great, I am glad you have your game. I for one do not like cash shops, and have tried to look passed it an cannot, so I will move on and wish you all the best of luck.
  • GoodAfternoonGoodAfternoon Aberdeen, NCPosts: 252Member
    Originally posted by Abimor
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

    Wow... I mean just wow..

     

     A top end bag goes for 4000P or roughly $20!!!

     

     

    That is sad I was hoping they would not go crazy with the prices

    This bag has been in game for 8 months.........

    It's also only 32 slots vs the 28 slot bags which cost about 60 plat to be crafted. 

    Rift

  • SynthetickSynthetick Portland, ORPosts: 977Member
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Now that I have had some time to relax and ponder the shop. I really don't care anymore. If you like the shop and the move to free to play great, I am glad you have your game. I for one do not like cash shops, and have tried to look passed it an cannot, so I will move on and wish you all the best of luck.

    We're in the same boat.

    I think what most who are defending the game are failing to miss is that while yes, everything in the cash shop is available via means of plat, the amount of plat the items are going to cost is going to start off ridiculously high and only go higher as the initial surge of F2P try it out, then move on.

    Mechanics on gateway encounters will be nerfed to accommodate the influx of players who bought their pre-raid gear, then further tiers of content will suffer the same fate.

    Ah, well, more power to the ones who will continue to play and support the game, I suppose.

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  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Sadly, cash shop is where it's at.  Companies make a killing from impulse shoppers.  I'm pretty shocked players can buy end-game raid gear though.  Even EA/SWTOR hasn't stooped that low yet lol.  Might bite them in the ass in the long run since players won't really have carrot to chase after.  Will be a nice little cash grab at first.  Business is business. 

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  • aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member

    dont forget the Rep element as well. there are a lot of items that one could buy, but then never equip because they still do not have the relevant rep with a particular fationl.

     

    while the CS does sound pretty bad, things like the above still give me some hope.

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    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  • velmaxvelmax palm bay, FLPosts: 211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by achesoma
    Sadly, cash shop is where it's at.  Companies make a killing from impulse shoppers.  I'm pretty shocked players can buy end-game raid gear though.  Even EA/SWTOR hasn't stooped that low yet lol.  Might bite them in the ass in the long run since players won't really have carrot to chase after.  Will be a nice little cash grab at first.  Business is business. 

    You cant buy raid gear! they said this like 100000000000000 times!

  • A. If all you do is dungeon at the end game, Why the hell would you spend real money on Dungeon Gear? I mean..Dungeons aren't exactly hard.. and i certainly would never spend money on that type of gear that I can easily get...If you're dumb enough to do that then that's your own fault.

    B. The Dungeon Gear you can buy is being sold not for you, the person who's end game is nothing but dungeons, but for Raiders...and people who only raid..That's who the target market for that gear is..Because if they want to level a new character for raids they can simply spend plat on the gear now, or buy it instead of gearing out their new toon. That is the targeted market for that.

    C. Unless something gives you a massive advantage in PVP, and you can't obtain it in the game very easily, crying about this cash shop is pointless.. They're giving you all the content of their game for free..Don't bitch about them trying to make some money that's not putting you at a disadvantage.

     

     

  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    It is so sad to see what this F2P debacle is doing to a genre I used to love. Paying to get gear that you would otherwise play to get? OMFG, its so stupid... image
  • DrannyDranny BarnsleyPosts: 276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

    Wow... I mean just wow..

     

    The cash shop is so full of weapons, armor, mounts, and pretty much everything. My guild defends it saying it isn't top raid gear... but who cares. I am so tired of watching games I love go F2P or shut down. I hate cash shops, and this one just takes the cake. They even sell bags! A top end bag goes for 4000P or roughly $20!!!

     

    http://flic.kr/ps/PGTuU - Flickr box with the screen captures.

    They have said time and time again the prices on the PTR will not be the same when F2P hits, they have repeated many many time things will change before release.

  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dranny
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

    Wow... I mean just wow..

     

    The cash shop is so full of weapons, armor, mounts, and pretty much everything. My guild defends it saying it isn't top raid gear... but who cares. I am so tired of watching games I love go F2P or shut down. I hate cash shops, and this one just takes the cake. They even sell bags! A top end bag goes for 4000P or roughly $20!!!

     

    http://flic.kr/ps/PGTuU - Flickr box with the screen captures.

    They have said time and time again the prices on the PTR will not be the same when F2P hits, they have repeated many many time things will change before release.

    I have heard that from a lot of companies that make their failing games go F2P.  Guess what... it doesn't change before release.

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  • DrannyDranny BarnsleyPosts: 276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Dranny
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

    Wow... I mean just wow..

     

    The cash shop is so full of weapons, armor, mounts, and pretty much everything. My guild defends it saying it isn't top raid gear... but who cares. I am so tired of watching games I love go F2P or shut down. I hate cash shops, and this one just takes the cake. They even sell bags! A top end bag goes for 4000P or roughly $20!!!

     

    http://flic.kr/ps/PGTuU - Flickr box with the screen captures.

    They have said time and time again the prices on the PTR will not be the same when F2P hits, they have repeated many many time things will change before release.

    I have heard that from a lot of companies that make their failing games go F2P.  Guess what... it doesn't change before release.

    I've heard alot of companies say they are going to make change before they release something, guess what .........they did.

  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by observer
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    Originally posted by observer
    Originally posted by Hulluck
    Originally posted by Adokas

    To me, it seems like this whole concept of cash shops is evolving. Slowly changing what is okay to sell in the shop, and people are fine with it, it seems.

     

    You say that as if cash shops have been the norm and widely accepted in western mmo's since creation.  Five to eight years ago the majority of people who post on these  forums (and others)  would of been up in arms over just the thought of  playing a mmo with a cash shop. Which they were. Especially on top of a pay-to-play models.  No where near as many discussions and outrage as there was years ago when these things first started popping up in p2p's.  Very few would post in favor of them and there were countless threads daily on any given gamin forum talking about them.

    Agreed.  I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now.  People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.

    More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops.  It's just a concept to get more money.  Simple as that.  And Rift isn't evolving into anything different.  It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.

    The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.


    @Observer,I for one have never had a problem with cash shop's,unless they really truly offer a distinct advantage over non payer's.I've always felt that leveling faster/increased drop rate/healing pots/talent point's and so on are not ptw because you can get those things just by playing the game.

    The fact Trion is selling gear is fine with me,because it can be acquired in game also.There's also better gear to be had.

    How can this be confused with what would be ptw?

    To me a ptw would be pay x amount and get a lvl 40 character with top gear for that lvl and 20 plat,just for using the cc.Now that is what ptw look's like to me.Certainly not boost's/talent's/drop's and such.

    Opinion's vary and that's fine,but at the end of the day,does it affect your gameplay in any way?Or is it just something you're stuck on and can't get past?

    Pay 2 Win = Paying real life money for winning.   Winning what exactly?   Winning an advantage over others.  Whether it's due to convenience or stats.  That still defines paying to win by having an advantage.

    The opposite of Pay 2 Win is experiencing the content on the same playing field as others.  The other factor is time, which cannot be controlled, but real money transactions can, depending on the company.

    You and others are trying to justify that "inconsequential" stats is not pay to win, but that's just an opinion, and not a fact.  The fact is, it's paying to have an advantage, no matter how miniscule the convenience is.

    It has nothing to do with being stuck on anything.  I'm just here to clarify the definitions of pay to win.

    I whole heartedly disagree Observer.To me you're confusing convenience with an actual advantage.You even use the word convenience,If a person has an xp boost or some such,why do you care?So what if they get to max lvl before you.Does that somehow ruin your gameplay/breakfast?

    Honestly it puzzles me why so many people get upset over things in an mmo,that are just temporary bonuses.It's not like they have a permanent gold boost or something.On top of that,what exactly are they winning?That they can say nanner nanner nanner I hit cap before you?

    What you consider ptw is far away from my definition.Saving time is convenience.

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  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dranny
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Dranny
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

    Wow... I mean just wow..

     

    The cash shop is so full of weapons, armor, mounts, and pretty much everything. My guild defends it saying it isn't top raid gear... but who cares. I am so tired of watching games I love go F2P or shut down. I hate cash shops, and this one just takes the cake. They even sell bags! A top end bag goes for 4000P or roughly $20!!!

     

    http://flic.kr/ps/PGTuU - Flickr box with the screen captures.

    They have said time and time again the prices on the PTR will not be the same when F2P hits, they have repeated many many time things will change before release.

    I have heard that from a lot of companies that make their failing games go F2P.  Guess what... it doesn't change before release.

    I've heard alot of companies say they are going to make change before they release something, guess what .........they did.

    You just changed the topic from companies saying they will change things before it goes FREE TO PLAY to when they release something. Which is correct but a generalization.

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  • KoroshiyaKoroshiya Pacific, WAPosts: 250Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Manolios
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I've been a player since Beta, and I was thinking about leaving just because of the f2p.  I guess I'll have to go back to WoW, it's the only P2P left anymore lol.

     

    i m taking the opposite way. leaving wow for rift after 8 years. no more fun for me in wow even if its p2p.

     When both have subs you prefer WoW but if one is free youll go for the free option.  So you are implying you'd rather play WoW than Rift even if you arent finding it fun anymore.

    Rift and WoW are in the same boat as far as most things go.  WoW has better lore, but they've had decades to build that lore.  I do like the steampunky Defiant though.  The only real reason I'm going to WoW is I really don't like F2P that much.  They're fun for a month, maybe two, but the community in F2P games just isn't something I'm willing to put up with.  I got 2 kids of my own, I don't need thousands more around me hehe.

     

    talks about kids in the community ruining his experience, then says he is going back to wow to prevent it.  /laugh.

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  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by Koroshiya
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Manolios
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I've been a player since Beta, and I was thinking about leaving just because of the f2p.  I guess I'll have to go back to WoW, it's the only P2P left anymore lol.

     

    i m taking the opposite way. leaving wow for rift after 8 years. no more fun for me in wow even if its p2p.

     When both have subs you prefer WoW but if one is free youll go for the free option.  So you are implying you'd rather play WoW than Rift even if you arent finding it fun anymore.

    Rift and WoW are in the same boat as far as most things go.  WoW has better lore, but they've had decades to build that lore.  I do like the steampunky Defiant though.  The only real reason I'm going to WoW is I really don't like F2P that much.  They're fun for a month, maybe two, but the community in F2P games just isn't something I'm willing to put up with.  I got 2 kids of my own, I don't need thousands more around me hehe.

     

    talks about kids in the community ruining his experience, then says he is going back to wow to prevent it.  /laugh.

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  • nickster29nickster29 Holmen, WIPosts: 486Member

    Changed my mind, gonna give the game a shot as F2P.  If the gear in the auction house ever gets to the point where it is comparable to top end raiding or pvp gear, I will just stop playing again.... no skin off my back.

     

    The fact that all the actual game content besides expansion souls is available, along with no race restrictions / equipment restrictions seems like a pretty good f2p model.  I also have fond memories of raiding Hammerknell.  Akylios was an amazingly fun fight for a final raid boss.

  • hitsuji182hitsuji182 LukPosts: 16Member
    Gear in store is crap FYI. Best you can buy for real money is expert gear, which is no where close to BiS raid relic items. As a top raider I can tell you it won't be p2w.
  • nickster29nickster29 Holmen, WIPosts: 486Member
    Originally posted by hitsuji182
    Gear in store is crap FYI. Best you can buy for real money is expert gear, which is no where close to BiS raid relic items. As a top raider I can tell you it won't be p2w.

     

    That is all I needed to know.  Time to get my rogue to cap and get back to raiding.

     

    By the way, hows the raiding in Storm Legion?

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,602Member Uncommon

    The other day, I was Playing my Necro in GW2 and decided I wanted to respec into a full condition build. I used Karma to purchase 4 of the 6 pieces of armor with Rabid stats that I needed. Unfortunately, the coat and boots are not available from Karma. So, my options were to do the same thing I did on my Mesmer, Run Honor of the Waves over and over until I had the tokens to buy the 2 pieces from that vendor, OR, the choice I made was to buy some gems from the cash shop, and convert 20G worth. I then purchased level 80 exotic versions of Khibron's Coat and Boots off the TP.

     

    Guys, Stop raising red flags on the P2W scam where there aren't any. Paying to bypass content only to a certain point, is NOT pay to win. If the BiS gear can ONLY be obtained through game play, then you cannot pay to win. You must play to win.

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