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Originally posted by mmobootsy I don't know if I was "scammed" or not, all I know is that no other MMORPG I have tried in the past few months and years, has come close to keeping me involved with and invested in my character as I am with my DFUW character. It's a shame, but those are the anonymity swamps of the Internet, that people make such crass and sweeping statements that are not even close to being in touch with reality, and however scare away potential players. Why do so many begrudge the fun that some players are having? Why try to bring down a game that you clearly don't enjoy playing, yet keep coming back to to complain about? Live and let live.
Because people like you are trying to shove it down our throats with lying topics like this one
Originally posted by ShakyMo Azhook How do you know its terrible if you didn't waste $30 on it?
My guess is he was an old DF1 account who got to play UW for the price of a sub fee from the limited time offer. Probably also upset that you cannot macro by shooting in the are or swimming against a wall.
I'm not surprised their retention rate includes players charged by a quick switch of the pay date.
They have a history of fraudulent charges from the Darkfall 1 days even.
It's a company that should not be supported. Just because there aren't many games like this one doesn't make this one quality or its company ethical.
Aventurine disgusts me really. They almost constantly lie about dates and the state of the game. It's pathetic and continuous.
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OP and anyone that has played DFUW knows for a fact that the "screenshot" is utterly unobtainable in game. Whereas UO and WoW are actual in game shots. Come on OP, if you have subbed why don't you go recreate it in game, and show us the real visuals.
DFUW is a bitter tragedy. DF was too, but at least at it's core it was good, just mismanaged. DFUW is terrible AND mismanaged still.
Love the AV apologists.. first it was an patch, then an expansion, then a new game but we'd have it for free, then they said we'd get the free month for buying AND a FREE MONTH on top. Then they took the free month, leaving 2 days for people to realize and cancel, and didn't tell a fucking soul, more than half the subs probably think they are still on free time.
How the fuck anyone can justify that, even to a mere 1k subs...
DF will always amaze me at how such a poor company managed to produce a potential runaway hit, and then proceed to shit on it until it's dead. TWICE
Originally posted by wartyxwt DF will always amaze me at how such a poor company managed to produce a potential runaway hit, and then proceed to shit on it until it's dead. TWICE
Yes, it certainly does show an appetite for this niche. The company that gets it right, will be the next EvE-like hit.
Exactly. I'd like to hear an official retention rate from AV. Unlikely we'd get one.
There was a poll, on the DFUW forums, 900 users chimed in, 67% of the poll said they would NOT be re-subbing. Now, 900 users is not all DFUW has, but it is a sizable amount, and over 600 of them said they wouldn't resub, and it's not like every player is on the forums.
Last AV talked, less than 2500 total subs on both servers.
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Originally posted by JimmyYO [mod edit]
If you were in the game you'd know that 60% retention is totally feasible. The activity (at least on EU1) hasn't dropped at all since day one as far as I can tell. I even would've hazarded a higher percentage.
Originally posted by Pie_Rat Originally posted by JimmyYO Darkfall has a 4% retention rate, how horrendous. My statistic is equally as legit as the OP, since I provided an equal amount of proof to my claim. You guys are getting fanboi trolled hard.
Your comment reminds me of jury instructions the defense attorney gave us, "just because something is possible doesn't mean it's true, there remains a reasonable doubt without hard evidence to the contrary"
Fun topic to debate, with people supporting both sides of the argument with claims made based on their personal perception and experience, but like finding out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.
But hey, as long as you are satisfied and enjoying the game, doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about the retention rates.
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Even if 60% seems to be an accurate perception of the current retention rate, why would you say an exact number. Saying 62% is pretty much like saying 62,57% of the total playerbase keeps playing this shit, which makes no sense at all, since you got no fucking idea what the real number is.
The same situation: Imagine your friend has a nest full of apples, he throws a half away, and then he asks you how many apples are left, then you say, 67%, now imagine your friends face.
I see many flaws in here lol.
Originally posted by Kyleran Originally posted by Pie_Rat Originally posted by JimmyYO Darkfall has a 4% retention rate, how horrendous. My statistic is equally as legit as the OP, since I provided an equal amount of proof to my claim. You guys are getting fanboi trolled hard.
Hehe you're so right and I like the way you put it However I'm not satisfied with DF. In my previous post in this thread (can't blame you for not seeing it, it's buried somewhere near the beginning) I explained why I won't be renewing my sub.
Originally posted by Greymoor The haters of DFUW only need a flicker of positive news to go crazy like a swarm of pirahnas feeding on the poor OP.
Nah, it's the people watching the live update stream of posts, most probably don't give a thought about DF, they just see someone saying something is successful, they post to tell you it's not.
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I actually thought it was people calling out someone who posted specific numbers, or percentages but gave no source of any kind.
But, you are probably right. Afterall, sources are over-rated.
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by Kshahdoo Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by Kshahdoo Originally posted by jdlamson75 I unsubbed the instant I saw that AV changed the date, but I subbed back up for the second month. That said, I have unsubbed again, haven't logged in for more than two hours in the past week, and won't be logging in again. I would say that more than half of my clan of 50 people is in the same boat - won't be resubbing, haven't been seen in weeks. I gave AV a chance to bring more to the table, and I leave disappointed. Oh well. There's always Minecraft.
PS: Even if you work for IGN / Machinima / GameSpot ... saying what you said earlier would have you fired on the spot, so yeah ... you are nobody on the internet
Man, nobody needs a right to understand a market. Fans of Sex Pistols don't listen to Justin Bieber, if you follow ManU you will never buy Liverpool uniform, and if you love sandbox and full loot FFA PvP you won't play World of Warcraft. It's a pretty simple conception to ask for any rights...
yeah but had the OP stated that 90% of people left people would celebrate.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser Its funny how OP is avoiding giving relevant information regarding the retention rate numbers he posted.
Part of the information is right in front of you on this forum. Also seeing guild counts going up really pushes the retention rate higher.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I'm a subscriber - I just haven't got round to cancelling my subscription yet.
Thank you for reminding me gamekid2k.
Originally posted by sabotage23 Game is a piece of crap, i regret wasteing $30 bucks on this junk. I dont know how anyone can play this, its like a game from the 1990's with its crappy animations and graphics.
On a more related note, yeah it's slowly coming along it would seem.. they could be getting content in a bit faster and it's still not confirmed how good the latest fixes are for crashes in sieges and such. But it's not like there's anything else on the market worth looking at anyway.
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Originally posted by Zushakon Originally posted by sabotage23 Game is a piece of crap, i regret wasteing $30 bucks on this junk. I dont know how anyone can play this, its like a game from the 1990's with its crappy animations and graphics.
If you're playing DFUW on the grounds that it's the "least worst game" I think you'd prefer to find a different hobby.
It's summer. How about dating agency websites, campaigning door-to-door for a political party, or how about taking up a sport?
Originally posted by Zushakon Originally posted by Greymoor The haters of DFUW only need a flicker of positive news to go crazy like a swarm of pirahnas feeding on the poor OP.
How utterly sad their lives must be.. also I'll be getting a warning and possible temp ban for no reason at all now so happy hunting everyone(I'm guessing one of the mods on here have a vendetta against darkfall and just lashes out on all people that dare point out the flaws in the haters).
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's the tone that you keep typing with that does the job. I'm kinda laughing though, since it reminds me of DF players so well.
tldr version of the OP:
This game has the biggest retention rate around - if you doubt my words and ask for source then you are a just a hater!
Originally posted by zymurgeist Originally posted by ShakyMo I think because there's a shortage of pvp orientated mmos, pvp orientated mmos retain their subs better. It's not just DF, look at eve and ps2 they have higher retention rates than the latest wow with a twist games too.
There's a cogent theory. I wish we could test it. It seems to hold true at least for the Western market.
Hmmm. I would agree that pvp oriented mmos retain their subs better - they just don't have many subs! Yes, even Eve. There are more multiple subs in Eve than any other game I have seen. I still like (and play) Eve but it is not the smash hit that the pvpers try to make it out to be.
Pvp oriented mmos do much better in Asia but my personal opinion is that the emphasis on pvp is one of the reasons for the general MMO decline (closed mmos, lower populations and f2p).
Originally posted by Keller Originally posted by -Zeno- Industry standard for buy-to-end-of-first-month (first sub charge) is 40% with the exception of WoW. Darkfall has a 62% retention rate! I am guessing its players who know what they are getting into and are loving the game? It's an amazing game that will just get better over time. You won't find anything like it elsewhere!
PS: Do you also happen to know how many players have a second or even more active subscriptions running?
Imperium, a newbie guild, is still sitting on an active base of over 100.
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