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  • TyrranosaurTyrranosaur Albuquerque, NMPosts: 284Member
    Heh....GW2 and Rift are the only two MMOs I play right now, and I enjoy them both for different reasons.

    Current MMOs: Rift, GW2, Defiance
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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon
    I have spent a lot of time in both games, and I will definitely choose Rift over GW2.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Well , certainly recognise this, the only games i can stand outside of GW2 are those with highly interactive and immersive stories like SWTOR,  TSW . But only because there is not enough story quests in GW2.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Well , certainly recognise this, the only games i can stand outside of GW2 are those with highly interactive and immersive stories like SWTOR,  TSW . But only because there is not enough story quests in GW2.

    Even WoW has more story than Rift though. When it comes to story and lore, Rift is one of the worse possible choice of the market.

    My computer is better than yours.

  • page975page975 Scranton, PAPosts: 312Member

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,530Member Uncommon

    There is nothing in GW2 that can touch Rifts soul system IMO.

    Also my Harbinger is one of the most powerful classes I played in over 50 MMOs, just pure awesomeness at lvl 60.

    GW2 again IMO, all classes feel very similar, when it comes to actual fighting, yes a mesmer plays different than a warrior but after playing all classes in GW2, i can't put my finger on it, it felt like I was playing the same class somehow.

    Rifts souls are very different in how they play, it feels like a different game with each class to  me.

    As awesome as GW2s graphics are, the zone design to me is very boring in GW2 - Rifts zones are varied, they dont feel like squares, and they have a feeling of depth that GW2 lacks. Where are the dense forests with gigantic trees in GW2????

    Rifts world design is far better IMO.

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member

    It's not because a game doesn't fit your very personal definition of what a MMORPG should be that it's not a MMORPG.

    My computer is better than yours.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,530Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Neo_Viper
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Well , certainly recognise this, the only games i can stand outside of GW2 are those with highly interactive and immersive stories like SWTOR,  TSW . But only because there is not enough story quests in GW2.

    Even WoW has more story than Rift though. When it comes to story and lore, Rift is one of the worse possible choice of the market.

    Lore develops over time - Rift launched in 2011 and it is new IP.

    WoW launched in 2006 on established IP.

    Apples and Oranges.

    Take EQ1s lore the game launched in 1999 and has 19 expansions, you can't compare the lore of that to something that is a couple of years old, there is no competition.

  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by page975

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

     

    Care to explain what a MMO ( Massively multiplayer online) is for you then?

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Neo_Viper
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Well , certainly recognise this, the only games i can stand outside of GW2 are those with highly interactive and immersive stories like SWTOR,  TSW . But only because there is not enough story quests in GW2.

    Even WoW has more story than Rift though. When it comes to story and lore, Rift is one of the worse possible choice of the market.

    Lore develops over time - Rift launched in 2011 and it is new IP.

    WoW launched in 2006 on established IP.

    Apples and Oranges.

    Take EQ1s lore the game launched in 1999 and has 19 expansions, you can't compare the lore of that to something that is a couple of years old, there is no competition.

    The base concept of Rift is anti-Lore. All races, same starting area, same quest lines, nothing race specific at all. Cities aren't cities, but just glorified war camps, not places were people may live. The whole game feels artificial.

    There's a load of games not based on a previous IP that had much better stories and lore than Rift at release. A few out of my mind: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Anarchy Online, DAoC, Vanguard, Guild Wars (the first).

    Rift is a "whack a mole" MMO, story and lore are afterthoughts, barely existing. I understand this may be enough for some people, but even some "whack a mole" games like the Diablo series have more story and lore than Rift.

    Nothing wrong with that by the way. Many players don't care about rich lore as long as they can bash monsters and get shiny trinkets. To each his own, I like my games with a bit more story depth.

    My computer is better than yours.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,530Member Uncommon

    To each his own, I find the lore in Rift very enjoyable, Volan story as the last of the colossus I really liked a lot. You sort of feel for the behemoth.

     

  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by page975

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

     

    Care to explain what a MMO ( Massively multiplayer online) is for you then?

    I want to know, I mean he contradicted himself in a sense by bringing up the mall, and I have a feeling it's due to his personal issues like not being social and etc.

     

    Think I said it months ago but people believe forced grouping is being social which then translates into an MMORPG must, otherwise it is not an MMORPG.

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • slygamer1979slygamer1979 sarasota, FLPosts: 86Member

    interesting read overall i've played both Rift & GW2

    i'd say one of the big features in Rift is that you can have multiple class talent trees and have multiple specs to switch around so no fight is the same if you play like that such as when i play my Rogue and solo i'll switch to either stealth assassin and sneak and stab or i'll play as a Ranger with pet in toe anyway you get the job done is best way to play.

    with GW2 the class style has plenty going for it in the sense that every class has a heal button and there is no trinity which is a good/bad thing to some depends on what you think.  i play a ranger and mage on both games and to give you more insight both have rangers but only GW2 has a ranger class that you can tame many MANY pets sort of like WoW and most pets make decent tanks for soloing but my pick is bear's in most games in Rift your only real tank pet is a Boar which gets kinda boring to look at the same pet 24/7. 

    one of the downsides in comparison to Rift & GW2 is GW2 lacks multi-classing but still has semi-deep talents

    GW2 doesn't have raid content, Rift does, i'm not into PVP myself but both can be fun.

    i guess in a nutshell one game is not better then the other but all fun just the same :-)

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano

    GW2 again IMO, all classes feel very similar, when it comes to actual fighting, yes a mesmer plays different than a warrior but after playing all classes in GW2, i can't put my finger on it, it felt like I was playing the same class somehow.

    How do you get by with saying that? I said the exact same thing a couple months ago and was dragged through the rocky streets by horseman. 


  • Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Neo_Viper Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Well , certainly recognise this, the only games i can stand outside of GW2 are those with highly interactive and immersive stories like SWTOR,  TSW . But only because there is not enough story quests in GW2.
    Even WoW has more story than Rift though. When it comes to story and lore, Rift is one of the worse possible choice of the market.
    Lore develops over time - Rift launched in 2011 and it is new IP.

    WoW launched in 2006 on established IP.

    Apples and Oranges.

    Take EQ1s lore the game launched in 1999 and has 19 expansions, you can't compare the lore of that to something that is a couple of years old, there is no competition.



    It's not like this.Vanilla WoW's lore was bigger than Rift Storm Legion's lore.Actually Guild Wars' lore is bigger than Rift's too. Lore and content are different things.And actually WoW's content not bigger than Everquest's but lore is a different thing.WoW still got bigger and better lore than Everquest...

    Actually even that idiotic p2w Allods got bigger lore than Rift lol.

  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    I don't play rift or gw2 but i have played both in the past, if i had to choose one it would be gw2. rift is just a linear quest grinding to end game then raid or die standard mmo.
  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    Originally posted by page975

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

    They are mmo you just didn't like them, the fact you didn't play for long doesn't disprove that they are an mmo.

  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by Howry

    I was the exact opposite. I absolutely hated GW 2.  Luckily GW2 customer service was nice enough to give me my money back on it.  Very cool of them.

     

    I think GW2 is one of those games you either love or hate, no real in between.

     

    I do enjoy Rift and am glad it is going F2P so i can play it for 30 minutes per night after the kids go to bed and not have to pay for it.

     

    Thats the thing about these games, different crowds like different things.

     

     

     

    i wasnt hated gw2. tbh i was expecting it for many years as a gw1 fan. but it was a big letdown for me.

    anyway i returned to RIFT and i dont care if its better or not compared to gw2. the point is that i have much more fun in RIFT and thats enough for me.

  • pmilespmiles Federal Way, WAPosts: 383Member
    Originally posted by Malevil
    Originally posted by Leiloni
    Originally posted by rodingo
    Originally posted by Grailer

    [mod edit]

     

    If you take away your crutch (holy trinity), two things will happen:

    1) You fall down

    or

    2)You move faster

    I take it you "fall down" without your crutch.

    Some of us merely enjoy playing specialized roles instead of the weird do everything hybrids that GW2 has. It's just a lot more fun playing as the trinity. GW2's class design was bad. Classes are usually only kinda sorta the ones I typically enjoy but they are either watered down or have other skills and roles thrown in that I do not want instead of ones I do, in a poor attempt to make it fit in to GW2's trinity-less combat. I prefer my standard MMO class archetypes. There's a reason we have seen them in so many games - it's because they're fun to play.

    I played trinity games for years and reality is that big big majority plays 1 role - dps.  Then u have  2 small minorities - healers and tanks who carry rest through the whole endgame pve content. So yea, there are very few ppl who realy enjoy playing specific roles of tank or healer, but big big majority just enjoys being on easy mode.

    I've played all three archetypes... all of them are *easy mode*... to suggest playing a healer is harder is a lie... it's no different than spamming dps on the mobs... you're spamming heals on your friends... tanking is just as easy... just stand there and spam aggro and damage mitgation cooldowns.  Move to the left, move to the right... do the hokey pokey and that's what it's all about.

     

    Please... get off your high horse and admit the reason you like playing a healer or tank is because it guarantees you a spot in the raid and that's it.  If there were 12 tanks and you had to sit because you weren't as good as tank A, you'd be less inclined to play a tank.  Same for healers.  It's that sense of entitlement that you enjoy about your class.

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,442Member Uncommon

    Oh man,don't get me started on GW2,that game is cheap 101 from all of it's design.

    I do  share a lot of the same ideas such as i hate the yellow ! and linear questing and hand holding but make no mistake GW2 is no goody two shoes their either.

    There has ONLY been ONE game to do it in a mature fashion ,zero,notta,zilch absolutely not hand holding period and that is >>FFXI.

    Anet's whole design is so amazingly obvious it like slaps me in the face.Their whole idea was o think of a way to design a game that would mimic the cheap cost of operating GW1.

    Here is a video of a GW2 fan that is imo  too lenient with a second rate developer.Most people know of this guy KRIPP.

    Video

    They banned him ,then when they realized who he was and that he ran a large guild and made them lot's of money and put out vids showing how lame ANET is,they decided to unban him.SO two faced,they want him banned but decided wrong guy to ban.

    This is not an exploit either this was  an in game money making idea that was ANET's fault.Thsi IDENTICAL idea also happened in FFXI ,guess what,they patched it and did not ban anyone for their mistake.

    Also what shows you the lack of effort by Anet,they asked him to delete the stuff he got from this supposed exploit.That tells me they did not do a single thing on the supposed exploit except ban players.REALLY nice gimmick to sell more accounts,geesh no wonder they get those huge sales numbers.

     


    Samoan Diamond

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by pmiles

    I've played all three archetypes... all of them are *easy mode*... to suggest playing a healer is harder is a lie... it's no different than spamming dps on the mobs... you're spamming heals on your friends... tanking is just as easy... just stand there and spam aggro and damage mitgation cooldowns.  Move to the left, move to the right... do the hokey pokey and that's what it's all about.

    I've also played the three trinity archetypes, extensively, into "hardcore" raiding, therefore I'm quite confident when I say that anyone pretending tanking or healing is as easy as DPSing doesn't have any credibility.

    I'd also like you to explain me why there's a lack of tanks and healers in all trinity based games... and why in WoW, they actually ended adding additional rewards for people playing those two roles.

    Fact is, healers and even more tanks have very little room for error. For instance, the typical trinity raid encounter in a trinity based theme park uses 1 or 2 tanks maximum. One tank dies, aka presses the wrong button at the wrong time or stands in the wrong pool of fire, and it's usually a wipe. One DPS dies? Who cares, life goes on and he will be combat rezzed by one of the healers anyway.

     

    My classification of roles in trinity based games, resulting of years of experience with raiding the hardest content, is simple.

    Highest responsibility: Tanks. If they screw up, it's most likely 100% a wipe. Even an attempt of combat rezzing will fail in the hardest content, by the time the tank is back up and taunted everyone back on him, half the raid will be dead.

    Second highest: healers. They only lose to tanks because there are usually more of them, and they can rez each other.

    Way below in the ranking: DPS. One dies? Not a big deal, there are many, and they will most likely be combat rezzed. A couple of DPS could actually go AFK and nobody would notice.

    So I agree when someone says that in trinity based games, 25% of the players do 75% of the job. It fits my own extended experience of playing those games perfectly.

    My computer is better than yours.

  • GoodAfternoonGoodAfternoon Aberdeen, NCPosts: 252Member
    Originally posted by page975

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

    Considering that in Rift I only leveled 1 of my 3 characters up using quest your point is invalid.

     

    I leveled up in groups doing dungeons, pvp, events and instant adventures. 

    Rift

  • PpiperPpiper Horsham, PAPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GoodAfternoon
    Originally posted by page975

    Rift - soul system is way better than weapons swap in GW2.....Tank, healer and dps is better too.

    GW2- Better graphics and coding.

     

     

    For me both games should NOT be called mmos :

     

    Rift - Had deep chain quest. No one could play with each other unless you match quest for quest, maybe a breff help out or end game.

    GW2 - Auto group, play with others around you.  Kind of like going to the mall by yourself.

     

     

     

    Both games lasted three weeks for me......There not mmos !

    Considering that in Rift I only leveled 1 of my 3 characters up using quest your point is invalid.

     

    I leveled up in groups doing dungeons, pvp, events and instant adventures. 

    off topic but you have a great handle. I may steal this one. TIA!

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