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Can someone explain to me the appeal of F2P games?

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  • Punk999Punk999 Baytown, TXPosts: 874Member Uncommon
    It is free... that's the appeal.

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  • ManestreamManestream PrestonPosts: 633Member Uncommon

    Lured into thinking there playing it for free, but if they started keeping a record of how much they spend on the cashshops on a monthly basis I think 90% will be shocked and then decided that P2P games have better and far greater value.

    However there are some out there that are good to dabble in and you can get away without putting a single penny into it, that's if you are willing to grind for days that is.

  • 9ineven9ineven SomewherePosts: 153Member Uncommon

    Shitty games lead to F2P and that economic model became popular.

    Now there is a lot of games (not only MMOs) F2P really good.

  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,357Member Uncommon
    its.. Freeee, WOOT WOOT, Free!!! Maybe people just dont play games as much as in the 90s or anymore. Everyones become casual. So free is good!!!! Dont have to feel committed, can poke around.

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  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,623Member Uncommon

    Pretty difficult to have a discussion with people who have an obvious complete and utter bias against the F2P payment model and just seem to want to blame it for all the woes of the industry.

    That is if there truly are any woes and it is not just all some fantasy in these posters heads.

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • KuldebarKuldebar Tacoma, WAPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by WellzyC

     

    I don't understand the recent boom in popularity about the F2P model, Everyone's mom is talking about F2P. I ask, why?

     

    Every F2P game I have played has been very under whelming.

    - The graphics are "meh."

    - The game play is always generic questing with the yellow Exclamation mark.

    - Never more than 3-4 classes, usually genaric.

    - Never anything new, always just recycled ideas done a billion times over.

    - The combat and overall game feels like it was made in some ones garage.

     

     

    Besides being a cheap @ss,  what do people see in these games?

     

    Let's avoid treating all F2P games as identical; there are significant varieties of implementations under the F2P label. For example, an exception that proves my statement:

     

    • I play TERA currently, I can guarantee you that the graphics are not "meh".
     
    • TERA questing is classic style but that is a matter of taste, the leveling content is overwhelming. Also, quests can only be devised in so many ways: deliver, kill, gather, talk, or go to...
     
    • TERA has more than 4 classes.
     
    • Don't confuse MMO burnout as being a problem with "recycled ideas". The Star Wars movies are full of recycled ideas; and they were awesome.
     
    • Combat is TERA is a masterpiece to behold and very engaging.

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  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,623Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Manestream

    Lured into thinking there playing it for free, but if they started keeping a record of how much they spend on the cashshops on a monthly basis I think 90% will be shocked and then decided that P2P games have better and far greater value.

    However there are some out there that are good to dabble in and you can get away without putting a single penny into it, that's if you are willing to grind for days that is.

    But of course you never grind for days with the P2P games.    

    90%???  I think that number relates to the number of people playing for free.   I have been playing an F2P for 6 months and spent a total of $10.   But you are right, I am sure paying $15 a month for the same game is a much better deal.   Thanks for the tip!!

     

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  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member


    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by azmundai Originally posted by colddog04 Originally posted by azmundai Originally posted by Boneserino Originally posted by Squeak69 Originally posted by Boneserino And here is where your argument falls apart.  Because if a game with high production values can survive as a F2P game and not a sub game, what does that say about the sub model of payment?  Basically it says that high production value MMO's have a better chance of surviving as an F2P model and also, that if you make a big production value F2P game it should  do equally well.  Its the sub model MMO's that are  doing poorly regardless of how you look at it. Nice try tho!
    three is a large difrence between what makes you more money as a company and what makes a better game, last time i checked fast food chains make on average more profit in a day then a high class resterant dose, due to the huge gap in expense and saleries, the same thing can be applied to games while it is true that F2P makes companies more money it is mainly due to the large gap in costs VS income.
    Huh?  I  fail to see any valid point in your ridiculous anology.  Sorry
    its pretty obvious. fast food (f2p) < high class restaurant (p2p) .. big mac < Fuddruckers < $10 NYC Restaurant Burger. big macs give you a stomach ache while the $10 NYC Restaurant Burger is better than se.. ok well maybe not quite that good, but .. almost!
    He was asking for a valid point pertaining to the discussion. Since no one can agree that F2P games are like McDonalds and P2P games are like high class restaurants, his point is useless and invalid.   Actually, WoW is the game people compare to fast food the most and it is one of the last P2P games in existence.
    I can agree that fast food games are like f2p games. New Wow might as well be f2p. Haven't played New Wow for more than a couple of months either.
    Umm, written by you one post ago:

    "wow, eq and uo are the only games that are worth playing for more than a couple of months."

     

    Now it's "new WoW." You'll do anything to call something you don't like "fast food." Just like I can compare EQ and UO to old rank piles of shit if I wanted to, you have decided to use a random derogatory term as an analogy that doesn't make any sense to describe every F2P game on the planet.

     

    I mean, how are you using the analogy anyway? Bad < Good?


    since you've been living under a rock for 10 years, i'll fill you in on a little secret. wow has changed. a lot.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • AzothAzoth montreal, QCPosts: 720Member Uncommon

    I played about every mmorpg that came out since 97. I can honestly say that I really liked 0 F2P games, I tried to play them but it was just lacking in many aspect and the constant reminder that I should spend money to make the game more enjoyable was really annoying and destroy any immersion you can have.

    On the other hand I liked a lot of sub games. Not because they have sub, but because I feel like a lot more work went into them, it feels a lot more polished. They often seem to have more content and updates also come faster. I don't like the shady tactics f2p game devs use to make you spend money. Tiny inventory space that you fill up in the first 30 minutes of game play just to make you buy more bag space. Pseudo random roulette mini games, those games are perfect money grab from gambling addict.

    I think both payment model are working to some people. If the game is good enough, I have no problem paying for it.  IMHO when the game is designed around a cash shop it cannot make a great mmo. The fact that the latest p2p game didn't do too well is more a matter or poor design than a payment method I think, if those game would of been good enough I would still be playing em.

     

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR PlovdivPosts: 511Member
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • DrakynnDrakynn The Pas, MBPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

     

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR PlovdivPosts: 511Member
    Originally posted by Drakynn
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

     

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.

    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!

  • AzothAzoth montreal, QCPosts: 720Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by Drakynn
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

     

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.

    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!

    1 hour per week in a ''good'' game is worth 15$/month.

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR PlovdivPosts: 511Member
    Originally posted by Azoth
    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by Drakynn
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

     

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.

    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!

    1 hour per week in a ''good'' game is worth 15$/month.

    I suppose your parents pay ur bills. In my world though, 15$ for 3-4 hours of entertainment is not good enough. Not to mention expansion pack prices or initial box price added to those 15$ each month. 

  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by Drakynn Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!


    then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/

    its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly?

    what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR PlovdivPosts: 511Member
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR

    Originally posted by Drakynn

    Originally posted by azmundai  

    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

     

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!


     

    then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/

    its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly?

    what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?

    Movies have trailers and reviews, console games, majority of them have DEMOS at least on the xbox 360 which give you a good hour of playtime before asking you to purchase the game if you WANT more

  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by Drakynn Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW?    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!
      then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/ its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly? what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?
    Movies have trailers and reviews, console games, majority of them have DEMOS at least on the xbox 360 which give you a good hour of playtime before asking you to purchase the game if you WANT more

    yea, mmos have previews too, and open betas ffs. and most offer a free trial of some sort after the initial release.

    considering the average ticket price for a movie is $8.00 and most movies are between 1.5 and 2 hours, i'd say $15 for 3-4 hours of entertainment is pretty standard.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR

    Originally posted by Drakynn

    Originally posted by azmundai  

    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

     

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!

    then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/

    its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly?

    what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?

    Meh, the argument is over. I like free trials too, but there are like 3 games to argue for and WoW and EVE already have one. Now almost every game on the market has the largest free trial you could possibly imagine. I look at a game like TERA and I can't help but notice the incredible amount of content that is available to the F2P user without ever thinking about paying. 

     

    We don't live in a time where people expect things for free, we live in a time when game developers figured out a way to allow the vast majority of players to play in these games worlds for free.

  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member

    otherwise known as the time when most gamers don't play the same game for more than a few months before moving onto the next lackluster bore fest because the games are so generic that they aren't worth $15 a month and they survive because a handful of people like to look cool by buying tons of crap from a virtual store ...

    but the argument is over .. cuz some dude on a forum said it was ..

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,172Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by WellzyC

     

     

     

    Besides being a cheap @ss,  what do people see in these games?

    Well, back in the old days many players would buy ANY new mmo and quit soon after release because it wasn't what they thought/hoped it would be.

    If there's a supposed fotm MMO being released, and I know I won't play it for real (devoted to other main MMO), it's fun to play it F2P as I can see what this game is all about, graphics, storyline etc without buying the game. I KNOW I won't buy the game before trying myself.

    Personally I treat them as a trial, it's the only way for those devs to actually have a slim chance of getting me as a subscriber.

    And no, not one F2P game has gotten me so far that I actually subbed to the game, there's a reason why they go F2P and those reasons are usually enough not to pour money into that particular game.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR PlovdivPosts: 511Member
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR

    Originally posted by azmundai  

    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR

    Originally posted by Drakynn

    Originally posted by azmundai  

    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW?    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!
      then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/ its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly? what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?
    Movies have trailers and reviews, console games, majority of them have DEMOS at least on the xbox 360 which give you a good hour of playtime before asking you to purchase the game if you WANT more

     

    yea, mmos have previews too, and open betas ffs. and most offer a free trial of some sort after the initial release.

    considering the average ticket price for a movie is $8.00 and most movies are between 1.5 and 2 hours, i'd say $15 for 3-4 hours of entertainment is pretty standard.

    I think you've lost track of time. In order to get in any kind of beta in a MMO nowadays, you have to preorder and some of them doesn't even offer a refund. Not to mention founder packs.Or the wave of kickstarter shit MMOs where if you don't pledge you will never EVER see a beta.

    And I'm sorry but a MMO preview does not have the same value of a movie. After reading a movie review and watching a trailer you basically know what to expect. This is not the case with games in general. Trailers are most likely some cinematics that have nothing in common with the game or the gameplay and they are there just for a story and hype build. While review are mostly biased or "sponsored". So yeah, IMO in gaming unless you try something out, you don't know what to expect. I'm not willing to throw 60$ (usual box price) + 15$ to play 2 hours and realize that its shit MMO which i dont want to play, like it was the case with WoW

  • AzothAzoth montreal, QCPosts: 720Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by Azoth
    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by Drakynn
    Originally posted by azmundai

     


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 

     

    free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine.

    f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.

    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.

    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW? 

    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!

    1 hour per week in a ''good'' game is worth 15$/month.

    I suppose your parents pay ur bills. In my world though, 15$ for 3-4 hours of entertainment is not good enough. Not to mention expansion pack prices or initial box price added to those 15$ each month. 

    hehe my parents never paid my bills, and I am 33 btw. I don't know which world you live in but 15$ for 4 hours of entertainement is really cheap to me. Going out, restaurents, theater, various shows, even going for a bike ride ... what do you do that cost less than 4$/h ??

  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member


    Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
    Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by Drakynn Originally posted by azmundai   Originally posted by Sk1ppeR IMO all games especially MMOs should be free up to some point. I mean ... look at it, on P2P games you have to buy the box AND play for each consecutive month AND for the expansions that they bring. That's a lot of money in my opinion. It gets worse if the person throwing that amount of cash doesn't like the game 
      free trials are a completely different topic. having 20 levels of free content in a p2p game serves this purpose just fine. f2p games are fine too. i have no problem if that is how other people want to play. what irritates me is the lack of games that are worth $15 a month. I honestly don't have an interest in playing a game that isn't worth $15 a month.
    yeah I've never understood this argument against P2P games I have never,ever had a problem trying a P2P game for free before buying.You'd have to be extremely lazy not to find a way to do so.
    Try playing Gw2 right now without buying the box. WoW has trials in the last couple years it certainly didn't launch this way. How do you trial DFUW?    In reality, very few P2P games have ongoing trials. The devs of such games always have and always WILL rip people off on a box price. And regardless if you log for 1 hour a day, you WILL pay the full subscription price as the nolife Joe that plays 13 hours a day. Yes, that is the problem of P2P games. They are scam and I don't know why people like you keep defending this old and useless business model. Subscription price does not mean quality. Plenty of examples on that statement!
      then argue for free trials. games aren't going to have free trials when they release ... that would just be stupid. wow, rift, tons of games have had free trials or at least trial weekends. it's pretty common. Even GW2 : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/try-guild-wars-2-for-free-this-weekend-april-19-21/ its so sad that we live in a time where people expect things for free. who is scamming who exactly? what about console games? every console game that wasn't given away for free / had a box price was a scam? every movie that you didn't like was a scam?
    Movies have trailers and reviews, console games, majority of them have DEMOS at least on the xbox 360 which give you a good hour of playtime before asking you to purchase the game if you WANT more
      yea, mmos have previews too, and open betas ffs. and most offer a free trial of some sort after the initial release. considering the average ticket price for a movie is $8.00 and most movies are between 1.5 and 2 hours, i'd say $15 for 3-4 hours of entertainment is pretty standard.
    I think you've lost track of time. In order to get in any kind of beta in a MMO nowadays, you have to preorder and some of them doesn't even offer a refund. Not to mention founder packs.Or the wave of kickstarter shit MMOs where if you don't pledge you will never EVER see a beta.

    And I'm sorry but a MMO preview does not have the same value of a movie. After reading a movie review and watching a trailer you basically know what to expect. This is not the case with games in general. Trailers are most likely some cinematics that have nothing in common with the game or the gameplay and they are there just for a story and hype build. While review are mostly biased or "sponsored". So yeah, IMO in gaming unless you try something out, you don't know what to expect. I'm not willing to throw 60$ (usual box price) + 15$ to play 2 hours and realize that its shit MMO which i dont want to play, like it was the case with WoW


    where do you get this stuff? I don't remember any mmo requiring a pre-order for open beta.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azmundai

    otherwise known as the time when most gamers don't play the same game for more than a few months before moving onto the next lackluster bore fest because the games are so generic that they aren't worth $15 a month and they survive because a handful of people like to look cool by buying tons of crap from a virtual store ...

    but the argument is over .. cuz some dude on a forum said it was ..

    The argument about whether we should have free trials is over. You can continue to share your opinion about why you hate the F2P model, but when it comes to free trials, I think there is like one game without one (Darkfall?). And at that point we agree, it should have a trial.

     

    And you're argument really changed a lot between your last post and this one. I'm sorry you are unable to stick to a game or two or whatever, but I stick to games just fine whether they be F2P, P2P or some hybrid. The only criteria I have for the games is whether or not I like playing them. 

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