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  • BrownAleBrownAle fantasyland, MEPosts: 399Member

    Not sure why you would play this or any themepark for its pvp.

    A game like this I will play for the pve experience.  If I want pvp I go to a game where pvp has risk and more skill involved than parsing the highest dps skill rotation then macroing it.

     

    not sure why you people still think themepark battlegrounds wWvWVw or whatever and arenas is good pvp.  die, respawn, hop back in, no loss no risk...oh but "yay I got to the top of the end of match stats im so good at pvp"...

     

    I dunno, I find softcore pvp boring and more repetitive than farming boars to endgame.  Who ever stated that pvp balance always messes up pve is right too...another hated side effect of catering to the vocal softcore pvpers.

     

    I dunno I wish these types of games stuck to what they do best, deliver a linear storyline and pve experience.  Just do it well and make it complex and appear less linear than it really is...and with that I hope ESO delivers in this aspect.

    PVP? could care less many games out there do pvp far better than any themepark...and you typically don't have to deal with the mouthbreathers who just started mmorpgs being randomly matched on your team and having to pvp with zero teamwork.

  • TinybinaTinybina Boondocks, TXPosts: 2,130Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by ezduzit

    I have to agree. PVP zones or arena have no place in a future MMO. It's part of the same old crap that is proven ineffective to the pvp community.

     

    The DAoC model used in ESO for PvP is one well loved and reminisced by many hard core PvP fan. Myself included. They could not have picked a better PvP model IMO. Open world PvP everywhere mostly leads to two things. Players picking on low level chars and camping quest hubs. Or PvP groups spread out so thin you dont get much PvP action. All PvP focused on one big map means more large scale battles and removes the griefers. 

     

     

    Agreed.. Go play DC Universe Online to see what this man is talking about... As a level 6 villian just trying to level up and understand and learn the freaking game you will be ganked nonstop by level 30 heros in the starter zone.  I said Starter ZONE!

     

    Now that's some Fun I tell you!

     

    I'm sorry I am all for having world PVP, but new players need to be able to learn their characters and the game before they are forced to have to deal with PVP.    Being ganked by someone 20+ levels above you is not good gameplay, it's griefing and a main reason why games that allow that to happen fail to attract new players, have such a low population and eventually die.

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  • DanitaKusorDanitaKusor AdelaidePosts: 549Member Uncommon

    Open world pvp really caters to a niche market these days.  Don't get me wrong, I have really enjoyed world PvP over the years but it has reached the point it seems where most people who play MMOs don't care for it or just prefer more controlled, instanced PvP.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
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    You can have good pvp in a themepark.

    Planetside 2 is a themepark.

    It's one of the best mmos for pvp you can play today, along with eve and dfuw.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Economy driven ffa pvp is the best pvp model for a sandbox

    Rvr is the best model of pvp for a themepark. Real rvr, not gw2s extremely gamey take on it.

    I share your boredom with instanced mini game Esports though. Thankfully TESO doesn't have minigames.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,085Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BrownAle

    Not sure why you would play this or any themepark for its pvp.

    A game like this I will play for the pve experience.  If I want pvp I go to a game where pvp has risk and more skill involved than parsing the highest dps skill rotation then macroing it.

     

    not sure why you people still think themepark battlegrounds wWvWVw or whatever and arenas is good pvp.  die, respawn, hop back in, no loss no risk...oh but "yay I got to the top of the end of match stats im so good at pvp"...

     

    I dunno, I find softcore pvp boring and more repetitive than farming boars to endgame.  Who ever stated that pvp balance always messes up pve is right too...another hated side effect of catering to the vocal softcore pvpers.

     

    I dunno I wish these types of games stuck to what they do best, deliver a linear storyline and pve experience.  Just do it well and make it complex and appear less linear than it really is...and with that I hope ESO delivers in this aspect.

    PVP? could care less many games out there do pvp far better than any themepark...and you typically don't have to deal with the mouthbreathers who just started mmorpgs being randomly matched on your team and having to pvp with zero teamwork.

    I agree, bragging rights, faction buffs and become emperor as long as you sahre your account is nothing to shout home about to be honest. You lose nothing and respawn and jump back in a never ending cycle of no risk fluffy pvp, oh wait Cyrodiil does also have PVE.

    An battle ground with fluffy PVP, really and people in this thread are making out it's some sort of skill full hardcore PVP.

     

    Not that it won't be fun for a while but let's not make out it's the best form of PVP.

     

    I'll play the game for PVE not PVP.

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  • PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member
    I'm playing Darkfall now and I'm getting plenty of open world pvp. I am really looking forward to trying out TESO for my other game. I'm looking forward to this game more than any other since Warhammer online back in 2008. I hope this doesn't turn out like that. I don't think it will. And I sincerely hope it's nothing like SWTOR. I really don't need the dead world and the loading screens, truth be told.
  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon
    Pvp like DAOC where the frontiers were huge was great.  GW2 "pvp area" is a terrible instanced zergfest. The phasing and instancing already has me worried enough to be cautious with the game and I will not buy it at release.

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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,085Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by The1ceQueen
    Pvp like DAOC where the frontiers were huge was great.  GW2 "pvp area" is a terrible instanced zergfest. The phasing and instancing already has me worried enough to be cautious with the game and I will not buy it at release.

    And ESO has plenty of phasing and instancing.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    ^ this, most of these people thinking ava is "less pvp" than say wow pvp servers are basing their experience on gw2, not the games that did it right - daoc & planetside.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,085Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    ^ this, most of these people thinking ava is "less pvp" than say wow pvp servers are basing their experience on gw2, not the games that did it right - daoc & planetside.

    I've played DAOC, Planetside 1-2, hell i've been PVPing since UO so don't assume that everyone is basing their experience off GW2.

    Fact is no matter if Matt is involved ESO is not DAOC, anyone thinking that it's going to be a carbon copy of DAOC is delusional.

    And DAOC wasn't perfect either.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Originally posted by SavageHorizon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    ^ this, most of these people thinking ava is "less pvp" than say wow pvp servers are basing their experience on gw2, not the games that did it right - daoc & planetside.

    I've played DAOC, Planetside 1-2, hell i've been PVPing since UO so don't assume that everyone is basing their experience off GW2.

    Fact is no matter if Matt is involved ESO is not DAOC, anyone thinking that it's going to be a carbon copy of DAOC is delusional.

    And DAOC wasn't perfect either.

    I dont think it will be as good too

    but i dont think it will be as gamey as GW2 either, but somewhere inbetween

    I definitely think it will be vastly superior pvp wise to wow "pvp" servers

  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Economy driven ffa pvp is the best pvp model for a sandbox

    Rvr is the best model of pvp for a themepark. Real rvr, not gw2s extremely gamey take on it.

    I share your boredom with instanced mini game Esports though. Thankfully TESO doesn't have minigames.

    Depends on how you design the PvP. And RvR where you could set up your own strongholds in strategical placements to guard certain resources it could be considered sandbox.

     

    It is hard to just claim that "this thing is the best for this scenario" when you are infact only taking a certain game's take on it into consideration.

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  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,714Member Uncommon

    I agree. specifically if it isn't full loot.

    when I log in atlvl one, I want to slay the other level one beside me. :)

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • RaventreeRaventree Yourtown, MNPosts: 456Member

    Since the Elder Scroll games have always been very sandboxy, I would have expected a PVP setup sort of like Eve, which could have been fun.  The people who have stated that open world PVP just encourages max level chars ganking low level chars at quest hubs are right, though.  There is a certain level of fun by looking over your shoulder and wondering if someone questing in the same area is going to jump you, but it is overshadowed by jerks that think the most fun is one-shotting low level chars with your high level guy.  This is only fun to the guys who like to gank lowbies and the guys like me that like to punish those guys by parking my high level char in lowbie zones to bust them out when the gankers show up.

    DAoC had it right with a large RVR zone and PVE areas that were separate.  You went and PVPed until you got sick of it and then went back to questing.  This worked because there were no max-level battlegrounds, the RVR area WAS your max level playground.  As soon as you have BGs at max level you dilute the participation and the point of RVR.

    That being said, the Eve model on the other end of the spectrum would also work and maybe makes more sense for this particular style game.

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  • ZelonZelon brailaPosts: 7Member
    No thx
  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,114Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by ezduzit

    I have to agree. PVP zones or arena have no place in a future MMO. It's part of the same old crap that is proven ineffective to the pvp community.

     

    The DAoC model used in ESO for PvP is one well loved and reminisced by many hard core PvP fan. Myself included. They could not have picked a better PvP model IMO. Open world PvP everywhere mostly leads to two things. Players picking on low level chars and camping quest hubs. Or PvP groups spread out so thin you dont get much PvP action. All PvP focused on one big map means more large scale battles and removes the griefers. 

    Well said

  • SirBalinSirBalin Joppa, MDPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dauzqul

    So ESO stated that their PvP will be [mod edit]., dedicated PvP area.

     

    I'm done with the sass. No thanks.

     

    This game seems to be more like a medieval SWTOR, anyways.

    Yea...thats why I'm not getting it...should have a pvp server and pve server.  Problem is, they are trying to cater to both...which will not work as neither side will be happy.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I'm a pvper.

    I would not be happy with wow style "pvp" servers AT ALL.
  • aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Well at least you have made your mind up, so now you can look forward to some other game.

    thing is, i always wonder what mmorpg these people go and play once they've announced another mmorpg has failed at pvp once again.

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  • HorusraHorusra maryland, MDPosts: 2,583Member Uncommon
    Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.
  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Chicago, ILPosts: 423Member
    Another bro how am I going to gank lowbies thread, sigh. 
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Horusra
    Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.

    i like OWpvp very much and will be playing this game at launch. from the sounds of it, cyrodiil sounds like its going to be just like the other pve areas (in size and in content) just with pve enabled and added pvp content.

    maybe i am wrong but i am hoping that cryodiil will feel like OWpvp because people will be doing pve content and the danger of ganking will be there.

    if anyone is upset that they can't gank a lowbie, they are probably just bad at pvp anyways.

  • ZeddakisZeddakis My Own World, VAPosts: 119Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dauzqul

    So ESO stated that their PvP will be [mod edit]., dedicated PvP area.

     

    I'm done with the sass. No thanks.

     

    This game seems to be more like a medieval SWTOR, anyways.

    Thanks for your post. I have been sitting around my house for days wondering if you planned on playing ESO or not. Now I can go on with my life.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,618Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Horusra
    Glad the OWPvP'ers will be somewhere else.

     

    i like OWpvp very much and will be playing this game at launch. from the sounds of it, cyrodiil sounds like its going to be just like the other pve areas (in size and in content) just with pve enabled and added pvp content.

    maybe i am wrong but i am hoping that cryodiil will feel like OWpvp because people will be doing pve content and the danger of ganking will be there.

    if anyone is upset that they can't gank a lowbie, they are probably just bad at pvp anyways.

    DAoC had some PvE quests (not many but some) in the frontiers and there were also a few good grinding areas for those pesky last couple of levels.

    I remember many times being there with just a couple of friends playing cat and mouse with raids of 20 or more on their way to take a keep...great fun running, hiding and occasionally picking off a few stragglers here and there.

    Venturing into Cyrodiil to PvE with just a couple of friends will be similar. Except, from what I understand, there will be many more PvE reasons to go there than DAoC ever had. The fact that everyone is bolstered to 50 in Cyrodiil is just gravy that gives similar sized groups a fighting chance. It's open world done right IMHO.

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