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[General Article] EverQuest Next: EQNext's Time to Shine

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,200Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    I dunno Bill.  On one hand SoE appears to be trying to do things right.  On the other, after my horrible beta experience with Dragon's Prophet, I still see the same old SoE casual disregard for their customers when it comes to squeezing a few extra dollars out of their wallets.  For example look at the recent $50 1 day pony fiasco that the EQ2 team put out or the fact that right before the Dragon's Prophet open beta they dropped the pre-order pack prices by 25% to get more sales thereby basically pooing all over their early supporters.

    I'm watching EQ:N but through a very skeptical lens.  SoE has done some monumentally stupid things and I don't think they've entirely learned their lesson.  Proceed with caution.

    I bought a TV at Wal-Mart the first day they carried it. Then two months later those bastards had a sale and sold it 25% cheaper!

    How dare they crap all over us "early adopters" by offering sales!

    That isn't what happened though is it?  This isn't a TV and shallow thoughtless analogies don't really do it justice.

    What happened is they offered a pre-order for a game for early adopters and either didn't sell enough or just wanted more money (which is more like SoE behavior) so before the game launched they dropped the pre-order price to entice more sales.

    In your TV analogy it would be like going to WalMart and pre-ordering a new flat screen TV for $500 two weeks early and coming in the following week to see that the pre-orders are now $375, but WalMart won't honor the price reduction.  In your analogy world if I purchased this from WalMart or Amazon I would be able to either be refunded the difference or return my original pre-order and buy it at the new price.  SoE offered neither of these.

    The scenario you describe is more like Rift's approach with their box fees.  If you buy early you pay full price.  If you buy 3 months down the road you get to purchase it at a cheaper price.  That is completely different from this situation.

    They did totally shit on their early adopters and in more than one way because they weren't forthcoming about how their item packs with regard to housing worked either.

    It was worth the risk to me because I get 9k SC out of it so it's not a total loss, but it totally reinforced why I typically don't do preorders and why I especially don't trust SoE to screw me over for a buck.  They are totally within their right to do what they did.  I'm not disputing that, but now I could give two shits about their game and I have no loyalty to them or their game.

    This is why I'm an opportunist.  Even though I get burnt on taking the risk sometimes (like this one) I always use game publishers and developers to my advantage with no remorse.

  • DrakynnDrakynn The Pas, MBPosts: 2,030Member

    Sandbox is not a magic word that automatically makes a game great and/or popular.Also who knows what Smedley thinks Sandbox equates to.

    EQNext seems to have at this time an open window to shine I agree but let's wait to see if it deserves to.

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  • nethervoidnethervoid xanex, CAPosts: 528Member

    Well Sony just got carte blanche. They better capitalize on it instead of being stupid suits like they have been since EQ1. If they say it's a sandbox it better be a friggin sandbox. Being able to make your own emotes doesn't make a sandbox. Being able to make your own quests for others to consume doesn't make it a sandbox.

    I really want EQN to be the next generation of MMOs, but since Sony is driving it I don't have high or even medium hopes TBH.

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  • feztoniofeztonio webster, NYPosts: 34Member Uncommon

    as someone who was with SWG from launch.. my memory seems to recall John Smedley as being the driving force behind such game-destroying changes as the CU (combat Update) and the NGE (New Game Ehancements - which literally took a game where there were hundreds of combinations of the 32 character classes and distilled the game down to 8 on-rails classes / 9 if you count politician lol). 

     

    both the CU and later the NGE took the greatest sandbox game of all time and turned it into a one-button easy click brainless, funless piece of complete garbage; the NGE having the added kick in the groin of waiting until 4 days after game expansion and the subscribers all paying for the expansion, to institute the NGE and completely blow up the entire game play mechanics.

     

    Smedley is the destroyer of great sandbox games from his history.. he is not an innovator or creater of sandbox content. 

     

    so all those holding their breath for EQ Next... don't turn blue or pass out, because it just ain't gonna happen.

     
     
  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff Writer St. Charles, MOPosts: 460MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    I dunno Bill.  On one hand SoE appears to be trying to do things right.  On the other, after my horrible beta experience with Dragon's Prophet, I still see the same old SoE casual disregard for their customers when it comes to squeezing a few extra dollars out of their wallets.  For example look at the recent $50 1 day pony fiasco that the EQ2 team put out or the fact that right before the Dragon's Prophet open beta they dropped the pre-order pack prices by 25% to get more sales thereby basically pooing all over their early supporters.

    I'm watching EQ:N but through a very skeptical lens.  SoE has done some monumentally stupid things and I don't think they've entirely learned their lesson.  Proceed with caution.

    I bought a TV at Wal-Mart the first day they carried it. Then two months later those bastards had a sale and sold it 25% cheaper!

    How dare they crap all over us "early adopters" by offering sales!

    That isn't what happened though is it?  This isn't a TV and shallow thoughtless analogies don't really do it justice.

    What happened is they offered a pre-order for a game for early adopters and either didn't sell enough or just wanted more money (which is more like SoE behavior) so before the game launched they dropped the pre-order price to entice more sales.

    In your TV analogy it would be like going to WalMart and pre-ordering a new flat screen TV for $500 two weeks early and coming in the following week to see that the pre-orders are now $375, but WalMart won't honor the price reduction.  In your analogy world if I purchased this from WalMart or Amazon I would be able to either be refunded the difference or return my original pre-order and buy it at the new price.  SoE offered neither of these.

    The scenario you describe is more like Rift's approach with their box fees.  If you buy early you pay full price.  If you buy 3 months down the road you get to purchase it at a cheaper price.  That is completely different from this situation.

    They did totally shit on their early adopters and in more than one way because they weren't forthcoming about how their item packs with regard to housing worked either.

    It was worth the risk to me because I get 9k SC out of it so it's not a total loss, but it totally reinforced why I typically don't do preorders and why I especially don't trust SoE to screw me over for a buck.  They are totally within their right to do what they did.  I'm not disputing that, but now I could give two shits about their game and I have no loyalty to them or their game.

    This is why I'm an opportunist.  Even though I get burnt on taking the risk sometimes (like this one) I always use game publishers and developers to my advantage with no remorse.

    I'm with Torvald on this one. To a degree. 

    I totally get the TV sale analogy and think it is a good arguement other than the fact these packs were a preorder deal. SOE should have honored the new lower price.

    I wouldn't go so far as to label them the devil though.

     
  • heffy4lifeheffy4life Tracy, CAPosts: 8Member
    Eqnext i hope is subscriptions... keep all the kiddies out of the game raging everywhere.

    I go to www.EQNexus.com for all my EQnext news updates, podcasts, and discussions.

  • MondoA2JMondoA2J Henderson, NVPosts: 258Member

    I think there is little bit of denial going on here.

    World of Warcraft was a phenomenon that will never happen again.

    I am not saying EQnext doesn't have interesting innovations but if you remotely think that this battle of titans (pun intended)  will result in "The MMO" coming out of the closet...its just not going to happen.

    The genre/market is saturated with way to many MMO's. Also players attentions spans have gotten shorter! We go through these games like underwear! We are far too spread and lets not forget the ferocious appetite that MMO players have evolved. Locusts mentality anyone?

    I think its slightly shameful that again we as MMO players are spouting "This is the WoW killer!" or in this case "This is the WoW 2.0 killer." Which is what this article is in a nutshell with your "SOE to retake the throne as the King of the MMO."

    I am not against someone being excited for an MMO...I have many I look forward to as well but people need to accept that there will never be another WoW. Not with our current technology anyways.

    So stop with this WoW comparison....its so ridiculous. On another note though EQNext looks like a fun game and I look forward to playing it.

    MMORPG Gamers/Developers need a reality check!

  • H3deonH3deon GrPosts: 36Member
    Originally posted by monarc333
    Bill, when will we see an EQNext forum go up? Or is there one already and I'm just blind (it's happened before)!!

    there aint a forum, but there is a EQnext sub forum in the EQ1 page - would certainly expect them to have a EQN forum on Aug ~2nd, when they make their big reveal, since Id expect an official name then as well....iirc that were the excuse for not having it, next to nothing offical shown, and no official name,just the production code name.

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  • KhebelnKhebeln BelfastPosts: 673Member Uncommon
    Only salvation for us really. All i can say that since WoW and its clone wars for the last 8 years i have a sliver of hope for the mmo future. I only hope that EqNext will be a sandbox for PvE people as much as EvE or World of Darkness will be for pvp players.

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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,070Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by heffy4life
    Eqnext i hope is subscriptions... keep all the kiddies out of the game raging everywhere.

    Pretty sure it has a F2P option.

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  • DocBrodyDocBrody EldridgePosts: 1,820Member
    Blizzard will simply rip off other ideas and make millions off it, that is what they always did best
  • William12William12 Saint paul, MNPosts: 680Member
    EQN will be f2p like PS2 you will not have to buy the client or pay a sub.
  • itchmonitchmon west islip, NYPosts: 1,714Member Uncommon

    i dont care whether EQN takes advantage of the "titan gap" or whatever.  if it's a good game then i'll play it, support it with cash and consider myself lucky.

     

    actually i can say the exact same thing about wildstar, repop, camelot, etc.... tho i admit as an OG norrathian i do have a *bit* of extra hope for EQ3 (grins)

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  • TheJodaTheJoda chicago, ILPosts: 467Member
    ..I hope they will model it more after EQ1, we need to bring the MM back to MMORPG's!

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  • SkullagrimSkullagrim Dayton, OHPosts: 61Member
    I missed the Everquest boat the first go around. It's just too outdated for my taste to go and play the first two. I am excited to play one of the most popular mmo's ever. I hope it lives up to expectations.
     
  • TelondarielTelondariel Ottawa, ONPosts: 1,001Member

    "Smed’s own touting of what EQNext will be, and of course Dave’s own design philosophy behind the title have us all getting our expectations rather high"

     

    Who, exactly, is "Us"?  I've been playing EQ and EQ2 for appx 12 years and I've heard a lot of interesting things come out of their mouths: spin, hype and a whole lot of half-truths.  Dave's design philosophy makes my skin crawl.  He used to be Mr. Free Realms, and was brought to EQ2 to convert it and develop cheesy gimmicks that fall flat on their faces.

     

    Which brings me to:

     

    " We know better, of course.  There’s also the SOEmote technology that could allow players to truly bring their characters to life, and I’d be surprised if it wasn’t involved somehow in EQN"

     

    I can't believe you brought up SOEmote like it was a feature the players would look forward to.  Seriously.  It was a ridiculously over-hyped failure brought forward by Dave as "The Saviour Technology for Roleplaying".  The sad reality is that even before launch the community was laughing at it, and after launch it was apparent how much of a joke it was.  Dave is like a snake oil salesman.  He's charismatic, and spins tall tales.  Take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

     

    All that said, I love the EQ franchise.  I despise Dave and distrust Smed, but I am looking to see what this next incarnation of EQ ends up being at the reveal in Aug.  I honestly hope its great, but knowing that Dave has had his hands in it for the last 3 years makes me very wary.

     

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  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,641Member Uncommon

    "..along with Smed's touting..."

     

    Should be enough to put fear into any vet gamer's consideration of this.

     

    We shall see.

  • JayFiveAliveJayFiveAlive Arvada, COPosts: 534Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Telondariel

    I can't believe you brought up SOEmote like it was a feature the players would look forward to.  Seriously.  It was a ridiculously over-hyped failure brought forward by Dave as "The Saviour Technology for Roleplaying".  The sad reality is that even before launch the community was laughing at it, and after launch it was apparent how much of a joke it was.  Dave is like a snake oil salesman.  He's charismatic, and spins tall tales.  Take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

    Out of curiosity, how is an optional feature an "over-hyped failure" lol. I don't know if people use it, but I think it's actually a pretty awesome idea. I don't play EQ2 or have a webcam, but I would consider checking it out personally. I don't think it can be classified as a failure though. No one else has anything like it and the idea of it is pretty neat. ;)

  • VincerKadenVincerKaden Edison, NJPosts: 457Member
    I'm looking forward to seeing this. If it immerses me even half as much as the sandbox SWG days, then it'll easily be my favorite active MMO.

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  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by heffy4life
    Eqnext i hope is subscriptions... keep all the kiddies out of the game raging everywhere.
     

     

    I have no doubt it will be hybrid.

    No way SOE is just doing pure subs these days.

  • PpiperPpiper Horsham, PAPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    I'm excited! Haven't been this hyped for a game in a long time. 
  • IssieaIssiea SydneyPosts: 75Member
    Originally posted by Skullagrim
    I missed the Everquest boat the first go around. It's just too outdated for my taste to go and play the first two. I am excited to play one of the most popular mmo's ever. I hope it lives up to expectations.
     

     

    Likewise.  Definitely looking forward to this game.

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  • YizleYizle Atlanta, GAPosts: 517Member
    Still waiting on the EQN forum here.
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