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[Editorial] General: Why Titan Was Delayed and Reset

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lanessar

    Tons of hatred and opinion flying about. As far as Blizzard being a flash in the pan or one-shot success... even by a stretch of the imagination, this isn't true. They have at least 3 successful franchises. Not games, but franchises. I'm no Blizzard fanboi, but they make fun games. 

     

    As far as D3 being a "failure", that's totally false from a financial standpoint. I work with about 100 people. Out of those, 60 are gamers. Every single person working at my company purchased D3. Not a single one failed to purchase. That's a retarded amount of purchases out of a small subset. Hell, even the owner of the company (age 40) was playing the damn game. While most don't play it now and have moved on, the sheer amount of money from box sales alone made it a success.

     

    As far as Titan, 90% of this article is pure surmise. Development schedules do tend to run like this, especially when a base re-work occurs. Re-assigning people to a different project usually happen when base code reworks occur. Will this be another SC:G? Perhaps, who knows?

     

    TLDR; Article has no information of value save for the vague Blizzard response.

    Blizzard is the only company that can say that every game they have ever created has been a success... ever since Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 and Starcraft, they have been named the most succesfull PC gaming company, and thats been long before the succes of WoW.

     

    The only company in the world delivering allways straight AAA+ Quallity

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • ControlBlueControlBlue Not your business, NCPosts: 21Member
    Originally posted by hfztt

    My guess for the explanation: Destiny

    They got beat to the market.

    This.

    Thank you based reader.

  • DauzqulDauzqul Detroit, MIPosts: 1,398Member Uncommon

    It's obvious.

    It's taken them 10 years to learn that another Theme Park isn't going to cut it. People are sick of them; thus, the reason for all the flops. I mean... even WoW itself is losing massive numbers as time goes on.

  • pmilespmiles Federal Way, WAPosts: 383Member

    Why would I care about Titan when Blizzard's track record of late has only emphasized how little their ideas interest me?  Heck at this point they could say they are closing down Blizzard and I couldn't care less.  They aren't selling me anything I want, so why should I even care?

     

    LOL, they skipped Blizzcon last year because they had nothing to discuss... this time they are having Blizzcon and they have nothing to discuss... 

     

    Seems like a whole lot of nothing coming out of the company anyways... admitting they have nothing certainly isn't ground breaking news.

  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    They are waiting for the next generation of MMO's to release so that they can copy their ideas, I am looking at you EQ Next.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Bachus

    What about valve?
    Bethseda too (although personally I'm not keen on oblivion)

    As for blizzard, yeah every game they've made was good, UNTIL RECENTLY, can't talk about the newer wow expansions as I never played them, but d3 is decidedly average, nothing like as good as d2.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Lanesarr

    Of course lots of people bought diablo 3, diabo 2 was a very good game.

    Would as many people buy "diablo 4, from the team that brought you diablo 3"? I very much doubt it.
  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    Blizzard have been rehashing the same 3 IP's for the last 15 years..boring.
  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Brooklyn, NYPosts: 1,164Member Uncommon
    Wait... there are AAA sandbox MMOs? Where?

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  • SkyllzSkyllz Gatineau, QCPosts: 24Member

    WoW is still bringing in ALOT of money...

     

    Delay the next game until WoW goes low enough, you dont want to take what's left of WoW subscribers and tank the game faster than it currently is.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Sky

    That's what I think. They are holding it back until a new mmo comes out that manages to seriously threaten wow. Then BAM huge marketing campaign and announcememt of titan in a few months. They're saving it for when they need it.
  • BadOrbBadOrb ManchesterPosts: 791Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Precusor
    Its simple, really.. Activision/Blizzard wants to maximize Destinys profits before Titan is released.

    Well I doubt it as Destiny is going to be 3 games , 1 every 2 years , so the second is close to the 2016 date. Let's hope it's because of making games for consoles as well as PC's.

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

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  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    Shaky

    I just think they are retooling it to run on consoles now... Honestly the pc mmo market is very unstable, it's becoming more like the Korean/Chinese mmo market (lots of choice but only a few makes the cut) and there is just so much money to go around.

    I have no doubt EQ will be good but will it be able to keep today's mmo gamers attention for more than a couple months before they move on to the next "flavor of the month"..

    And yes D4 or the Xpac to D3 will move as much or the same as D3.. there are alot of true blizz fans out there..

    Also person need to uderstand that mmo degrade over its life not generally gets better and the more it goes along the more person you want it to appeal to. I can bet blizz wants Wow to have the life span the Eq 1 has going for it and all indication is that it will, because once it goes F2p and server merges happen that will be another major increase in players..
  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by WellzyC

    They were either making another "Story Driven" mmo

    Or another WoW Clone

     

     

    and realized that either of those two formulas have been done a zillion times and the players are sick of it.

     

     

     

     

    This is exactly what i thought and tbh, i don't think it's at all far from the truth.

    OR they got rustled in their jimmies of what Wildstar has shown and figured "Our game isn't nearly as good" :D

     

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  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,073Member Uncommon

    Any of you really think they had some revelation about the quality of the idea of their title?  Do you really think them that fickle?  Even if it's garbage, it's what they think we want, and it's doubtful that changed all of the sudden.

     

    Instead, it's the next-gen consoles.  PCs are becoming obsolete, and the last holdout (well besides point and click RTS games) is the mmorpg.  But Blizzard knows it must at the very least put the games on the new consoles, if not give them preference, so it's got to slow things down a bit while being brought up to speed with the devkits for both systems.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by adam_nox
    Any of you really think they had some revelation about the quality of the idea of their title?  Do you really think them that fickle?  Even if it's garbage, it's what they think we want, and it's doubtful that changed all of the sudden. Instead, it's the next-gen consoles.  PCs are becoming obsolete, and the last holdout (well besides point and click RTS games) is the mmorpg.  But Blizzard knows it must at the very least put the games on the new consoles, if not give them preference, so it's got to slow things down a bit while being brought up to speed with the devkits for both systems.

    General purpose PCs are getting weaker, but they will still ship 300 million units well into 2017 and beyond. If you look at the PC gaming sector of the market, it's growing. It is, in fact, the only sector of the PC market that is growing.

    The XBox One is moving away from being a gaming machine and towards being an entertainment machine. That leaves the PS4 as more or less the only main stream gaming console. Gaming consoles have been on the way out for awhile now.

    Blizzard is not going to move away from the PC gaming market because the PC gaming market is expanding. They're probably going to add the console market because the consoles are using PC hardware. It will be a fairly easy transition for them.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,185Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Any of you really think they had some revelation about the quality of the idea of their title?  Do you really think them that fickle?  Even if it's garbage, it's what they think we want, and it's doubtful that changed all of the sudden.

    Instead, it's the next-gen consoles.  PCs are becoming obsolete, and the last holdout (well besides point and click RTS games) is the mmorpg.  But Blizzard knows it must at the very least put the games on the new consoles, if not give them preference, so it's got to slow things down a bit while being brought up to speed with the devkits for both systems.

    Would you trade in your gaming PC for an Xbox One or a PS4, or a WiiU?  My rig is mediocre at best (old core i7/920 with a GTX-260) and it's still miles ahead of next gen consoles.

    I'm not disputing that they could be retooling for consoles, but I do object to the assertion that desktop PCs are becoming obsolete.  I think the faddish idea that mobile devices will be all that we need is becoming obsolete.  However, I do think the way we use devices is changing.  I just don't see consoles stepping up.

    I still think it's more likely their game was outdated at this point and they realize that.  A problem with the industry right now is that their development cycle is too slow and too expensive.  I don't think the industry is self-sustaining in its current form as evidenced by the dramatic shift to sub-free revenue models.  This, to me, is Blizzard's Achilles heel.

  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Spring Hill, FLPosts: 208Member Uncommon

    I agree with the idea that "Titan" was probably too similar to the standard MMO formula..

     

    Real talk: Let's be honest though...even if blizzard released a squishy hot turd...people would buy the collectors edition that comes infused with corn...simply because blizzard passed it.

  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Rohnert Park, CAPosts: 848Member
    Originally posted by Joejc7135

    I agree with the idea that "Titan" was probably too similar to the standard MMO formula..

     

    Real talk: Let's be honest though...even if blizzard released a squishy hot turd...people would buy the collectors edition that comes infused with corn...simply because blizzard passed it.

     

    You know...people are as freaking stupid as you may think.

     

    If the game is good, then people will buy/play it.

  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Spring Hill, FLPosts: 208Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Shadowguy64
    Originally posted by Joejc7135

    I agree with the idea that "Titan" was probably too similar to the standard MMO formula..

     

    Real talk: Let's be honest though...even if blizzard released a squishy hot turd...people would buy the collectors edition that comes infused with corn...simply because blizzard passed it.

     

    You know...people are as freaking stupid as you may think.

     

    If the game is good, then people will buy/play it.

    I know with absolute certainty that people are as stupid as I think. Of course not all of them, but then I wasn't singling anyone out.  If you think a game is mediocre and buy it anyway...then whine about how many mediocre games there are..that qualifies as stupid...don't you think?

  • ArclanArclan Chicago, ILPosts: 1,494Member Uncommon

    Like some posters here, I am giving Blizzard more credit. It is a very business savvy company (unlike SOE). Releasing Titan this year makes no sense when it would eat into WoW's profits. And why not wait a bit to see what EQNext does right (and wrong). Learn from that, tweak Titan, then launch with a relentless, never-ending marketing campaign. Another win for Blizzard.

    Now, if the thick skulled head-scratchers over at SOE could learn a fraction of the business savvy of Blizzard, I would be happy. Brilliant developers; clueless business people.


    In fact, Blizzard and SOE remind me of Microsoft and Apple, respectively in 1985. Apple arguably had the superior product, but Microsoft absolutely flattened them with execution and market positioning.

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  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,183Member Uncommon

    This just in.... Blizzard announce they've delayed a game no one knew anything about and that had no release date and yet still hold the MMO-King crown. - only blizzard™

    We had/have no idea whether Titan was a themepark, sandbox, a facebook game or a choose your own adventure e-book, whether it was fantasy, sci-fi, steampunk, real world or happy pixie lala world.  And we certainly don't know why blizzard have delayed and rebooted a game that was not even officially announced. It is likely not to see what EQNEXT is up to as many have already stated , blizzard already put SOE to the sword 9 years ago and they'll do it again it they want. 

    So much wild speculation, so many conspiracy theories so much hate and general BM - only MMORPG.com™

    I can wait and enjoy the next D3, WoW and SC2 expansion and hit up hearthstone on my IPAD... all guaranteed day 1 buysdownloads.

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 566Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by darkhalf357x
    Wait... there are AAA sandbox MMOs? Where?

    I asked the that question earlier about what trend he's seeing in that respect.  Other than EVE I can't really come up with anything.  Not sure what I'm missing.

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  • azmundaiazmundai St Louis, MOPosts: 1,417Member

    i dont get why everyone is so shocked .. or pleased or w/e .. by all of this. it's pretty standard. why do you think it takes 5 years to develop an mmo? this is blizzard we are talking about .. they always do this. its pretty much expected. you should be commending them for not just continuing along a failed path and forcing it out before its ready.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • RhinotonesRhinotones BenowaPosts: 238Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azmundai

    i dont get why everyone is so shocked .. or pleased or w/e .. by all of this. it's pretty standard. why do you think it takes 5 years to develop an mmo? this is blizzard we are talking about .. they always do this. its pretty much expected. you should be commending them for not just continuing along a failed path and forcing it out before its ready.

    If it was your business and the development team came to you after 5 years and said sorry we spent  X million but our product is going to fail, how would you react? There is no "pretty standard" with this or have people truly become conditioned to accepting epic failures of this scale as standard business practice? Sorry but I can't commend any business for such a staggering failure. It was touted as the Dream Team of gaming development. So many great minds condensed into creating the next amazing MMO and after 5 years to pull the plug say a lot.

    People should be asking the question - What went wrong? Did they fail to read the market or listen to the end users? Did someone beat them in releasing a similar product? etc etc.

    Sure, Blizzard are renowned for taking their time and keeping everything super hush hush but as a Blizzard fan and supporter I'm pretty concerned by this. 

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