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i played NW and Now Rift too much (haters/trolls) ppls talking only about WOW
wow is frst mmo
wow is better then this game
this game is copy of wow
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People are bored and acting out immature and repressed behaviors that they can't do in real life.
Its an outlet for acting stupid without any consequences.
This kind of behavior is frowned upon in RL, so those who do it in game get to feel rebellious as well as some get their need for attention met.
Well, Orcs do breed like rats (which is kind of odd, considering they're distorted from Elves).
I consider it a literary continuity flaw.
More seriously: it's just one aspect of gamer culture, forums are always overwhelmingly negative. It's what they exist for.
Originally posted by davc123 i played NW and Now Rift too much (haters/trolls) ppls talking only about WOW for example wow is frst mmo wow is better then this game this game is copy of wow ...
..because people be trolls/haters...No sarcasm there seriousness...
On that same note, if you want to see some "real, well thought out, old fashioned, hardcore trolling" see Darkfall, again serious not sarcastic.
I agree it can detract from gameplay, but that is why they give us block lists.
With single player and multiplayer games, players don't tend towards out of game socializing nearly as much with MMOs because one of the ideas behind MMOs is that people socialize. Even today's fast pace anti-social MMOs are more social than LoL or SCII. This gets the trolls noticed. Combined with the social side of things, MMO players tend to stick with a particular game longer on average than single player games. Even today's MMOs where people play for weeks or months instead of years they play longer than single player games. I'm not sure about multiplayer games like LoL and SCII. This allows trolls to get to people more than once, building on previous troll attempts. People have strongly held beliefs about MMOs. Unlike single player or multiplayer games where the beliefs may change, or the games may fade quickly, MMOs tend to stick around, and the beliefs tend to get held for a long time. Strongly held beliefs are an easy target for trolls. MMOs and the forums associated with MMOs are the perfect breeding ground for troll behavior. It doesn't create the trolls, but the trolls that find those forums find the perfect space in which to operate.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
If the things we play couldn't be redesigned, nerfed, cancelled or curtailed on whatever whim strikes a producer's fancy, we wouldn't care as much. But as it stands now:
1) Players usually play one MMO exclusively and become committed to them financially and emotionally. They have an incentive to ensure the things they enjoy remain things they enjoy.
2) This genre tends to make development decisions on the fly in response to market trends. It prides itself on "never leaving production," which means the games are subject to change without notice.
3) We've seen games get redesigned, cancelled, or altered out from under players.
4) These factors tend to make players vested in the success of their game, which all too often implies the failure of competing games.
When the success of one game (WoW) can affect your game (SWG's NGE), you take an interest in the success of other games. Say a game you don't like scores mega subscribers. You don't want the people in charge of your game to change your game in response to the game you don't like.
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Well, NW seems to not have handled their recent problems all that great, and if letting a known hack from another game, into their current 'beta' game, that is pretty bad.
I find taking people money in 'beta', and then not wiping stuff from 'beta' to be pretty odd. If you are not wiping, you are not in beta imo.
I played the game in a earlier beta test, I didn't like it at all, but I do not troll on it, just wasn't my thing, and I am not a big fan of how they are doing their cash shop/beta. I do not troll anyone for liking it though.
Rift....Played it at release, it was ok, but the 1 button macro stuff (that I think I read they got rid of), and the world was too small/railed at release for me. Trion seemed like a pretty good company though. I would say Rift is one of the more solid mmos to come out, in a field of many very mediocre mmos lately.
Originally posted by DMKano People are bored and acting out immature and repressed behaviors that they can't do in real life. Its an outlet for acting stupid without any consequences. This kind of behavior is frowned upon in RL, so those who do it in game get to feel rebellious as well as some get their need for attention met.
I'm going to go with this.
Originally posted by Sovrath Originally posted by DMKano People are bored and acting out immature and repressed behaviors that they can't do in real life. Its an outlet for acting stupid without any consequences. This kind of behavior is frowned upon in RL, so those who do it in game get to feel rebellious as well as some get their need for attention met.
This is pretty much it right here.
But there have always been trolls and etc in MMORPG's. But general player interaction is way on the decline so the trolls stand out more.
My friend you have to realize something, and this goes for anything not just MMOs.
I don't know why there are so many haters/trolls. You tell me? You're coming onto the forums hating trolls and haters. That makes you no different.
Try to troll in DCUO. I dare you. Since most people have both hero and villain 30's you get camped ad nauseum. You try to troll sitting in the night club's/MPD? Quite often a GM will be nice enough to log you out 3 times then a ban.
DCUO handles the trolling quite well imho.
It's become a pretty standard and cheesy line in chat now.. haven't you noticed...
It's like an 'in' joke. Those in the know.. know that those making those comments are just trying to see who bites. Those of us who know this just kind of smirk a little when they do. I never do it, for the record. I never would.. I'm more mature than that.
They are not hating, they are just teasing for a laugh. The people saying it don't really believe the things they are saying. It's just about trolling the uninitiated for kicks and nothing more.
Like on the Rift EU server.. Icewatch.. there was this one guy.. same person every time, every day.. saying WoW was the first MMO in chat, he said it once and didn't say anything else after that. Every day it sparked off a massive debate between people who had seen it for the first time. After seeing this over 5 times from the same guy it's pretty funny for those watching it. He became a bit of a celebrity (not really but you know what I mean; he was well known for this). Could be the same guy still doing it.
This thread is a prime example of what they are trying to do.. provoke those that don't know it's just one big joke.
best I can say is... There's always going to be someone who hates the MMOs your playing, but You, your family and possibly friends enjoy the MMO's your playing therefore, the one's who hate or don't enjoy whatever MMO seem more vocal because how often do you read anything good over anything bad.. those who dislike/hate/don't enjoy will spew their rants and raves all over an MMO's forums while the one's who enjoy it and like it are busy playing, enjoying, and living in it with their character/s.
Forum's for the most part in a good majority of MMO's have been littered with trolls, which is why for the most part they lack any real information you maybe looking for. Which for myself I've always been a strong believer of "if you're not a subscriber, then you can't even access the forums" It helps keep the trolling down as to compared letting anyone especially those who don't know what the MMO maybe in.
And lastly trolls are just cyber instigators trying to ruffle a few feathers for some kicks and grins
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Because as a general rule, only people on opposite ends (love/hate) of the product satisfaction spectrum post on sites like this. The vast majority of the people in the middle don't bother. As a result, you mostly get post with extreme views. it doesn't just happen with MMOs. Go to a hunting forum and ask for what rifle is the best for deer hunting. You will see a crap storm erupt with people favoring this rifle or manufacturer while other say they are crazy and must be shills for XYZ company? Sound familiar? Welcome to online forums: Where only the fanatical post. Add to the mix the anonymity provided by posting online and you have the perfect storm of basic douchery.
P.S. Off topic but to those that keep floating the belief that "old" games where sooooo much better than ones today... How are those rose colored glasses working out for you?
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Originally posted by textron Originally posted by Sovrath Originally posted by DMKano People are bored and acting out immature and repressed behaviors that they can't do in real life. Its an outlet for acting stupid without any consequences. This kind of behavior is frowned upon in RL, so those who do it in game get to feel rebellious as well as some get their need for attention met.
I will add my agreement with this assessment only adding a couple of things.
Fanbois are just the other side of the same coin as haters and equally guilty of trolling.
Negative opinion is neither hating,though continual repeating of said opinion excessively on any semi-related topic or continually creating threads to state it certainly is,nor trolling which are separate things.
you mind linking to examples of this trolling you speak of. Because I dont see it.
Originally posted by Kyleran Most people mistake criticism of their favorite game as trolling instead of recognizing it as discussion and debate. Or put another way, the only place trolls really exist is in fantasy mmorpgs, but for some reason people seem to think they see them on forums all the time. Probably believe in ghosts too.
I have to use that line at some point.