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[Column] Rift: Loving Rift's Shift

BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing EditorBerea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

In this week's Devil's Advocate, Victor takes a look at the recent F2P announcement from Trion Worlds' Rift and why it's a good thing all around for everyone.

Trion Worlds has to be one of the most outstanding companies in the MMO world today in terms of treating customers right, however, so while I expected RIFT to shift its revenue model eventually due to market forces and feedback, I didn't expect the degree of clarity to which they maintained a particular vision for their revenue model shift.

Read the rest of Victor's The Devil's Advocate: Loving RIFT's Shift.

 

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  • marz.at.playmarz.at.play Mississauga, ONPosts: 912Member
    Nice quick write up. I am looking forward to this as this was HUGE news imo especially considering the cash shop is NOT a P2W cash shop. RIFT is doing this right similar to Aion's cash model. This will inject a nice population into RIFT. I only quit because I don't have enough time to play anymore to justify a monthly sub. This is perfect. Go Trion!

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,830Member Uncommon
    I have been waiting for this for a good while now. I love Rift, but with my recent job change, P2P titles are a waste of money for me. This change will allow me to play it once again.
  • MindTriggerMindTrigger La Quinta, CAPosts: 2,596Member
    I haven't played it since it first launched, so I'm going to give it a look.  Nothing coming out until Winter anyway.

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • black_isleblack_isle IstanbulPosts: 239Member Uncommon
    Very player-friendly model, i hope it will be a solid success.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon

    I'm really glad Trion made the decision to shift revenue models.   For me it works out great.

    I think you should look closer at the Patron aspect of the shift.  Many subscribers, especially the long term subscribers, at least according to a vocal portion of their forums, don't think the Patron status is worth the value.  I'm not sure how much of that is actually true or how much of that is reactionary to the news of the revenue model shift.  There is a call from annual subscribers for a refund for the remaining portion of the subscription.

    I'm on an annual sub, but it's ending about 3 weeks after F2P starts.  If the sub is anything like Tera, and it looks very similar based on Daglar's initial description, then it will be a nice option.  No one has seen the veteran rewards for long time supporters either, and that might change how people feel.

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon
    I'll see about this.

    The Battle for 2nd MMO has begun. I guess(TSW ain't goin nowhere).
  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member

    GJ once more TRION.  Already me and some guild m8's from wow and gw2 are back to RIFT.

    Thx for the real F2P model :)

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    I will add RIFT to best F2P models along with AION (US version), TERA and STO. 

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • ShaighShaigh Posts: 547Member Uncommon

    If you had followed the reddit conversation on the game they have already said there will be gear in the store, it will only be gear that is only available through vendors, and it wont be the top tier raid gear, so expect dungeon token gear to be in the shop.

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAPosts: 1,518Member Uncommon

    well I see 1 P2W item in the store already

    they 10% permanent mount speed is a must purchase for all players, especially pvpers

     

  • TerranahTerranah Stockton, CAPosts: 3,605Member

    I'll reserve judgement until I see the implementation, but I will continue my subscription for now. 

     

    I'm not against cash shops.  But typically they offer things I don't want or need.  Hopefully Rift will offer some fluff that I can't resist.

  • cronius77cronius77 Fairfax, VAPosts: 1,355Member Uncommon
    Our server in wow was dying out pretty bad and it would of cost us over 150$ to transfer our 90s to another high population realm . The day a few of us were debating this Rift announced their free to play system and when it starts. Needless to say we all canceled our WOW accounts and resubbed to Rift. I hope others stop giving the greedy morons at blizzard money and do the same exact thing because at least Trion doesn't charge you an arm and a leg to transfer because of declining player population and nickel and dimes its player base like blizzard when it comes to services that are near instant. I hope wow continues to decline and games like this that do free to play right keep growing and push them entirely out of their subscribers. Its time blizzard learned to stop treating their player base like do-do with other good games like Rift out there and others.
  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    2 thumbs up.
  • deveilbladdeveilblad Saint-Constant, QCPosts: 177Member
    How can anyone say this system is not P2W when they will sell expert dungeon-level gear in the cash shop...? This was said on the Rift forums btw, I,m not making it up... They will have gear with stats for sale, just not the current raiding tier. That means as soon as you get lvl 60, you can buy your way into raiding in a matter of seconds.... This is the DEFINITION of P2W, even if some people will say '' but it doesn't matter, it's not relevant gear to the current raids'' , It's still a P2W model ...
  • McGamerMcGamer Fairfield Bay, ARPosts: 1,012Member

    I currently subscribe to Rift and even I can see this cash shop is a p2w move by Trion. P2W does NOT only imply being able to buy end-game gear in the cash shop. P2W means being able to buy ANY item that is not cosmetic and affects your stats in combat, whether it is gear or skill boosts. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. 

    I used to think that Lotro had the worst P2W system out there, but it looks like Trion wants to get greedy too. Cash shops should be ONLY for cosmetic items. The inability to fill the cash shop with enough cosmetic categories only lends to the impression that the devs lack in creativity.

  • McGamerMcGamer Fairfield Bay, ARPosts: 1,012Member
    Originally posted by deveilblad
    How can anyone say this system is not P2W when they will sell expert dungeon-level gear in the cash shop...? This was said on the Rift forums btw, I,m not making it up... They will have gear with stats for sale, just not the current raiding tier. That means as soon as you get lvl 60, you can buy your way into raiding in a matter of seconds.... This is the DEFINITION of P2W, even if some people will say '' but it doesn't matter, it's not relevant gear to the current raids'' , It's still a P2W model ...

    You're right and Trion showed as much too in the livestream today on Twitch. 

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by deveilblad
    How can anyone say this system is not P2W when they will sell expert dungeon-level gear in the cash shop...? This was said on the Rift forums btw, I,m not making it up... They will have gear with stats for sale, just not the current raiding tier. That means as soon as you get lvl 60, you can buy your way into raiding in a matter of seconds.... This is the DEFINITION of P2W, even if some people will say '' but it doesn't matter, it's not relevant gear to the current raids'' , It's still a P2W model ...

    Because you can't go into the top tier raids with expert gear.  You can go into the entry level raids with expert gear.  So you can't "win".  It's more like pay to catch up.  Blame the raid community.  They're the ones who whined until PA was made account wide.  They're the ones who exploited the fishing.  They've been a scourge on mmos since EQ and WoW.

    I would love to return to the design days where there was no raid content like in Lineage and UO.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by McGamer

    I currently subscribe to Rift and even I can see this cash shop is a p2w move by Trion. P2W does NOT only imply being able to buy end-game gear in the cash shop. P2W means being able to buy ANY item that is not cosmetic and affects your stats in combat, whether it is gear or skill boosts. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. 

    I used to think that Lotro had the worst P2W system out there, but it looks like Trion wants to get greedy too. Cash shops should be ONLY for cosmetic items. The inability to fill the cash shop with enough cosmetic categories only lends to the impression that the devs lack in creativity.

    You can buy gear in most games with or without a cash shop.  You can buy seats in raids, buy raid gear directly from another player in games where the gear is not boe, or you can buy it in a cash shop.

    Let's not pretend that sort of thing isn't the norm and you're outraged they're letting you do it through the shop.

  • velmaxvelmax palm bay, FLPosts: 211Member Uncommon
    I buy pre-raid gear from other players, this is the same thing just in the cash shop!
  • AstraeisAstraeis AmsterdamPosts: 331Member Uncommon
    I used to like Trion, but I have learned to distrust and dislike their marketing videos.  But maybe we have come to expect worse, making the author claim Trion to be a shiny example of honest clarity.

    It takes one to know one.

  • kain6993kain6993 Lafayette, LAPosts: 27Member
    Played since Beta 1, Goodbye Rift.
  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    These guys are awesome. I love Trion! 

    All these other Devs have described themselves as gamers who understand gamers and know what they want, but Trion is the only company that actually delivers on that phrase. The rest are just posers.

    But I'm also one of those filthy casuals who could care less about the raids so...

  • sado2020sado2020 elizabethtown, KYPosts: 112Member
    Might have to pick up an expac copy, all this waiting is getting me excited :3

    Playing: TSW, D&D NW, Defiance (more the tv show than game >.> ) LotRO, DCUO

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  • deveilbladdeveilblad Saint-Constant, QCPosts: 177Member

    I don't know where all of you guys are coming from with the ''we were already doing this indirectly'' .... You guys were paying REAL money to other players for gear ? Wtf people ? I've never done nor seen ANYONE do that in a real no cash shop game...

     

    And saying that they will sell expert-level gear so you cannot go straight into raiding is false. They will sell the second best tier of gear; meaning if T2 raids are out, then it's T1 raid gear in the shop... That's been established already...

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Manolios

    GJ once more TRION.  Already me and some guild m8's from wow and gw2 are back to RIFT.

    Thx for the real F2P model :)

      Soo good that they fired alot of their employees. (up to 80% if you believe some of the reads, which I don't)  If this ain't dying its pretty darn close.

      Got the 6 month subscription when Rift first came out it was a decent game but I only played for 2-3 months before becoming bored of the rifts always popping in the same place on a timer with the same mobs. (to me thats not dynamic)

    I wish it all the luck with the F2P crowd (ie the type that tends to demand more while all the time paying nothing or very little from what I've seen.)

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