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I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions.
Wasting money? I know someone who spent 3 million on one machine. He lives in a town of about 30,000 people. The community probably could have used that money.
Some people really do have medically diagnosed self control problems. Which is what im arguing here. But generally people are responsible for their own destinies.
I don't care on this particular topic, I think if people are old enough to legally gamble then they can. However there is merits on both sides of the argument.
Arguments like this always fall into hypocrisy when the argument is in direct opposition to something you hold dear or feel strongly about.
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So you could change what happened to you. That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.
Guess they'll have to dust themselves off and start over by first taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the casinos.
Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.
Is living on the streets and relying on free food taking responsibility? What is taking responsibility?
Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.
So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.
I take it you wouldn't take the 5.50 an hour job you were speaking so highly for the parents to raise their child on. Lots of people haven't gambled too. That's of no consequence. The fact is that people DO and more and more are problem gamblers with each new form of gambling that is introduced. It's not just their problem. Like I said, they steal, murder, have family issues, etc. It's not just their problem if it's affecting everyone else. You don't gamble and other people do....that mean's nothing.
And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money.
Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully.
Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes.
I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.
Edit: As to the jobs topic, those $5.50 per hour jobs are for waiters / waitresses, who receive tips. Plus many casinos have many, many more jobs which pay very well. Casinos also provide jobs indirectly for both the food and hospitality industry.
And yes, if I needed a job badly you'd better believe I'd take the $5.50 per hour one. It's sure as hell better than zero.
It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.
Being responsible for it means advertising appropriately. It means not lying, cheating, or stealing. They could at least take as much as responsibility as the alcohol industry has taken for alcoholics. The government gets way more money from gambling than it does from consumer shoppers. Being responsible about it would mean putting programs in place for people who have been robbed, cheated, and lied to.
Porn, shopping, video games, alcohol, tobacco, etc is all fine by me. Kids learn about that stuff in school anyways.
It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.
Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.
No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.
I know everyone here has had "personal choice" crammed into their heads since pre K but educate yourselves a little. Read a book or at least watch this.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375124n
I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions.
So you could change what happened to you. That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.
And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money. Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully. Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes. I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.
It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.
Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.
No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.
I think thats fair. Give people the right information to make an informed choice.
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They don't trick anybody. Read my post again: EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE ODDS ARE SKEWED IN FAVOR OF THE HOUSE.
Limits on spending? What baloney. If I can afford to spend a million dollars gambling, then that's my goddamn business. I shouldn't be limited to half a million just because somebody might exercise poor judgment. It's my money, and I'll spend it as I see fit.
And I'm not going to address your incredibly unrealistic idea of having the casino 'make sure people who gamble a lot are doing okay'. That's just complete and utter hogwash.
I'm done. You seem hell-bent on both ignoring what myself and others have to say when it's not in your favor, and making up false accusations of casinos 'lying' to people. That's bunk. They promise a chance to win, and give you exactly that: a chance.
It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.
If that's what their actions have led to, then they need to deal with the consequences. I guess it's pretty cold-hearted of me, but I'm fed up with people making excuses for their actions. Yes, their lives might be ruined, but that's how the cookie crumbles. How's that Jurrasic Park quote go? "I don't blame people for their mistakes. But I do ask that they pay for them."
You know what else triggers those same things? Sex, driving fast, roller coasters, skydiving, base jumping, board games, weightlifting, jogging, outdoor sports, ice hockey... imagine that, pleasurable things trigger pleasurable feelings.
Guess what? It's still the person's fault.
If people like you had their way, nobody would be held accountable for their own actions anymore.
Oh, and take your patronizing, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up hard. Welcome to my 'blocked' list.
It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.
Know that the odds are skewed in favor of the house isn't enough. The odds must be made explicit in their ads and when you play. There is 0 chance for a long term player of any gambling game. The exception being the lottery winners, many of whom are now in debt. Bye.
Those things don't ruin lives or harm society. Guess what? The industry is still just as responsible.
They were lied to and robbed. The gambling industry gets most of their profits from these people. Without these people the gambling industry would crumble.
Blaming the people who ruined their lives is clever enough, and false enough. But at least one thing is accomplished. The direction of resentment against the gambling industry is redirected.
They weren't lied to. It's gambling. Look it up in the dictionary.
to expose to hazard; risk
to bet on an uncertain outcome
to take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit
to engage in reckless or hazardous behavior
to play a game of chance for stakes
It's not rocket science. People gamble knowing that they could lose. I'm done arguing with you as our views on this are diametrically opposed.
Once again, regular gambling is a GUARANTEED LOSS for you and win for the industry. It's not a game of chance then. All of the advertisements say the opposite.
I cannot see it going legal because that would be a whole new business operation revolving around money and tax dollars.
First of all there is no positive way to factually monitor AGE over the internet.Secondly gambling is a disease of the mind,some can control it ,some can't,do we really need more fails in society,especially inside gaming?
Also it is a mechanic the government would not be able to monitor what so ever,they would have few mechanics in place to keep track of what is taxed and what is not.Also gambling laws change from state to state,the internet does not adhere to states,especially with use of Proxies.
You know how i could see this making it one day?Money in the pockets,same reason Casinos were finally allowed in my part of Canada after years of lobbying against it.Money is the root of all evil,corruption is everywhere,especially inside government.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Good points. But I have no doubt that we will have it very soon. You wont be able to play a video game without it asking you to make bets. Like you said, there's too much money in it for the corrupt government.