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I like P2W cash shops. Anyone else like me?

muchavezmuchavez asdf, VAPosts: 200Member

When I was in high school / college I used to hate p2w and liked sub games because I had a lot more time than money and thought that those that worked (lol) the hardest got the best gear.

Now that i have graduated.  I am currently working 2 jobs and at this point in my life I have more money than time.  Honestly, I like p2w.  I don't have the time to grind all day.  I currently play eve online and GW2 and every weekend I buy 2 timecards and $50 worth of gems to finance my fleet of BS's in eve and get good gear in GW2 for some fun weekend pvp.

Anyone else in this situation?

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    Oh no. You've invoked Eve in the same post as you invoked Pay To Win. I don't know what's going to happen there, but it should be interesting.

    I wish I could say I had some strongly held belief about cash shops and pay to win cash shops in particular, but I don't. I don't use cash shops, regardless of what they offer, but I wouldn't begrudge someone else from using cash shops, regardless of what they offered. For me, other people using a cash shop doesn't seem to impact my game play. It never has. I think it's possible that the people who are so angry about it have been affected in some way, but I can't help but think they are imagining a lot of it.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

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  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member

    No- I play games only with an even playing field. When I dont have a ton of time to play each week it takes me longer to do anything but I still get there.

    I play games to separate myself from real life and enjoy a subscription where I am not nickled and dimed.

    -If you really speand that much ($50/week) I would think you could have far more fun doing a night at a casino and possibly winning real money, or playing one of the "real money" MMOs like Europa (not sure if thats the name) where you can make actual money.

    I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing- I could care less, but I would never play a game like that myself.

    More power to ya I guess if spending $200+ a month for virtual items you do not own is wise for your situation- me? I would buy Gold. lol

  • SulaaSulaa nPosts: 1,151Member Common
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Oh no. You've invoked Eve in the same post as you invoked Pay To Win. I don't know what's going to happen there, but it should be interesting.
     

    Yeah. This one will be funny.  All this anger and denial that will come :)

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    As for OP.  

    I don't think that what your stance is bad - I just don't want to play in one game with you and don't want to play games with microtransactions.

  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Chicago, ILPosts: 2,235Member Uncommon

    I don't mind "pay to win."  It's the same mentality that drives the casinos: throw money at something to earn the illusion of success.  Indeed, it is better than the casinos, because you can actually achieve the illusion of success.  They can play their game and I can play mine.

    And, like the casino, the house is always going to win.

    Because when the service cancelation announcement comes, the one who "pays to win" becomes the loser.

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Atlanta, GAPosts: 1,887Member Uncommon

    All these fans of pay to win make it sound like it's a matter of time versus money but most of the world's adults are short on both.  Therefore it's a matter of two minority groups:  rich people and really poor people with a lot of time on their hands, lording it over those who have neither a lot of time nor a lot of money.  

     

    So no, I strongly dislike pay to win and games like Eve and Guild Wars 2 that allow players to buy currency.  Because currency is always power in an MMO, else why bother having it?

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  • muchavezmuchavez asdf, VAPosts: 200Member
    Originally posted by Jacxolope

    No- I play games only with an even playing field. When I dont have a ton of time to play each week it takes me longer to do anything but I still get there.

    I play games to separate myself from real life and enjoy a subscription where I am not nickled and dimed.

    -If you really speand that much ($50/week) I would think you could have far more fun doing a night at a casino and possibly winning real money, or playing one of the "real money" MMOs like Europa (not sure if thats the name) where you can make actual money.

    I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing- I could care less, but I would never play a game like that myself.

    More power to ya I guess if spending $200+ a month for virtual items you do not own is wise for your situation- me? I would buy Gold. lol

    I actually spend around 100$ a week, but I can make all that back by working a little over an hour at my second job.

    I have actually checked out Entropia online, however it does not have the massivle-battle appeal that eve has.  I also like GW2's WvWvW.  I'm not sure why you told me to go to a casino though, as I don't enjoy any of the games played there, I like MMOs.

  • maskmurdamaskmurda florida, FLPosts: 79Member

    It's not about paying to win. That is a cheap marketing tactic used to generate more money. It destroys the gaming community. MMOs are currently designed to soak up time to milk as much money as they can. That's why games like WoW release content slowly to ensure you pay to play. Only thing Pay to win does is give you that sense of completion faster. So either you pay a lot more to progress a lot faster, or you pay less to progress slowly. Publishers can easily make it that every time you login you accomplish something, but it's about them making as much money as possible. People who pay to win are more likely to pay more than people who sub. OP says he buys over 50 bucks of in game money weekly, and someone who plays a sub MMO may only pays about 15 a month on the regular. I don't judge, if you can pay to win then more power to you if that's your option due to your schedule. But the current gen of publishers are destroying MMOs this way and it's a joke. And it sucks that are those the only 2 options. Blizzard just said they have to release more content faster to content the loss of subs because people plateau too quickly.

     

    After playing WoW for a few years, you pick up on the little things...

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  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by Beatnik59

    I don't mind "pay to win."  It's the same mentality that drives the casinos: throw money at something to earn the illusion of success.  Indeed, it is better than the casinos, because you can actually achieve the illusion of success.  They can play their game and I can play mine.

    And, like the casino, the house is always going to win.

    Because when the service cancelation announcement comes, the one who "pays to win" becomes the loser.

    Hmmmm- I disagree (better than casinos)

    I visit a casino twice a year- I bring $200 that I totally plan to lose. At a casino $200 goes a damn long way if you avoid the blackjack Table and stick to slots.

    Long story short- For $200 I play all night, drink all night, have a major Prime Rib dinner, hit the dance floor a few times etc... When we are ready to go we take everything we have (from the initial $200) and throw it n a game of Blackjack.

    I have done this for the last 5-6 years and sometimes actually come home with winnings- But even if I lose I had a prime rib dinner, a great buzz and 8-10 hours in a Casino having fun.

    I think paying for Virtual items is NOT better than casino gambling- I have a chance to actually come out ahead and even if I dont I have a full belly and a lot of real (non virtual) drinks, get to dance and enjoy 10 or so hours of real life fun.

    -That said, anyone who goes to a casino to "win" has already lost.

  • muchavezmuchavez asdf, VAPosts: 200Member
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by muchavez
    Originally posted by Jacxolope

    No- I play games only with an even playing field. When I dont have a ton of time to play each week it takes me longer to do anything but I still get there.

    I play games to separate myself from real life and enjoy a subscription where I am not nickled and dimed.

    -If you really speand that much ($50/week) I would think you could have far more fun doing a night at a casino and possibly winning real money, or playing one of the "real money" MMOs like Europa (not sure if thats the name) where you can make actual money.

    I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing- I could care less, but I would never play a game like that myself.

    More power to ya I guess if spending $200+ a month for virtual items you do not own is wise for your situation- me? I would buy Gold. lol

    I actually spend around 100$ a week, but I can make all that back by working a little over an hour at my second job.

    I have actually checked out Entropia online, however it does not have the massivle-battle appeal that eve has.  I also like GW2's WvWvW.  I'm not sure why you told me to go to a casino though, as I don't enjoy any of the games played there, I like MMOs.

    [mod edit]

    The back-handed insults aren't necessary.  I never said I want to steamroll all opponents.  I just don't want to grind isk for 8-10 hours a day for a weekend of pvp, and FYI 100$/hr isn't that much for someone working a part time job in IT, developers make way way more than me :( 

    EDIT - You need to direct those comments toward that russian oil exec who bought 1/10th of all 0.0 space and a fleet of titans a few years ago :)

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by muchavez
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by muchavez
    Originally posted by Jacxolope

    No- I play games only with an even playing field. When I dont have a ton of time to play each week it takes me longer to do anything but I still get there.

    I play games to separate myself from real life and enjoy a subscription where I am not nickled and dimed.

    -If you really speand that much ($50/week) I would think you could have far more fun doing a night at a casino and possibly winning real money, or playing one of the "real money" MMOs like Europa (not sure if thats the name) where you can make actual money.

    I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing- I could care less, but I would never play a game like that myself.

    More power to ya I guess if spending $200+ a month for virtual items you do not own is wise for your situation- me? I would buy Gold. lol

    I actually spend around 100$ a week, but I can make all that back by working a little over an hour at my second job.

    I have actually checked out Entropia online, however it does not have the massivle-battle appeal that eve has.  I also like GW2's WvWvW.  I'm not sure why you told me to go to a casino though, as I don't enjoy any of the games played there, I like MMOs.

    [mod edit]

    The back-handed insults aren't necessary.  I never said I want to steamroll all opponents.  I just don't want to grind isk for 8-10 hours a day for a weekend of pvp, and FYI 100$/hr isn't that much for someone working a part time job in IT, developers make way way more than me :( 

    EDIT - You need to direct those comments toward that russian oil exec who bought 1/10th of all 0.0 space and a fleet of titans a few years ago :)

    I truly didnt mean it as an insult and was trying to be funny-  Sometimes I fail at funny.

    I again am totally against "shortcut gaming" using real money or "pay to win" because you are able to steamroll opponents. I make nowhere near $100/hour and I also have very little "time"- I take it in chunks. I would never play a game that pits my wallet (I work very hard for my money, have a family, mortgage and bills and an eventual retirement to think of-) nor my time (i work alot as well-) against someones wallet.

    I personally do not understand what I see as wasting money for an in game advantage- I do not fault you for it though (to each his own) I fault the greedy companies who allow it.

    Even in sports there is a salary cap because its common knowledge that he with the most money has the most toys- and he with the most toys wins. Its frankly unfair.

  • MMORPGRIPMMORPGRIP Canton, OHPosts: 90Member

    Personally feel P2W players are the most pathetic types there are.

    I mean, I have the cash to do so if I really wanted, but what satisfaction is there in buying my way to winning beyond being a Dbag to other players as my entertainment...or hoping to come across another P2W type like me for a fair fight....which is funny because you wouldn't P2W in the first place if you were looking for challenge and fair fights.

    If you don't have the time to dedicate to MMORPG's you are in the wrong genre IMO. You can dedicate any amount time to them, short or long, you just have to have patience and the understanding that due to the amount of time needed in them....set goals with the game time you have and feel accomplishment in meeting those goals.

    You don't HAVE to gain 10 levels, get the whole set of raid gear, kill 20 players, etc in one sitting. This seems the problem...just as in RL, players in MMORPG's these days are in a rat race to one up one another, be "1st" in every category, be famous on their server, and just hurry hurry hurry to everything.

    The MAIN pet peeve is this term, which does NOT belong in MMORPG's, "end game", where everyone rushes to it because supposedly that is where the game begins...simply because the dev's made the rest of the game shallow. Again..it's about the journey, not the destination.

  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,478Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muchavez

    When I was in high school / college I used to hate p2w and liked sub games because I had a lot more time than money and thought that those that worked (lol) the hardest got the best gear.

    Now that i have graduated.  I am currently working 2 jobs and at this point in my life I have more money than time.  Honestly, I like p2w.  I don't have the time to grind all day.  I currently play eve online and GW2 and every weekend I buy 2 timecards and $50 worth of gems to finance my fleet of BS's in eve and get good gear in GW2 for some fun weekend pvp.

    Anyone else in this situation?

    No sorry never been in such a situation as it 's against everything that is gaming to me.

    I still don't understand the "excuses" of time?

    Really a MMORPG isn't going to end (well kind of but hopefully you know what I mean) why put in the regular real life rush mentality into a MMORPG. You don't have time to grind 8/10 hours a day, neither do I, thankfully I don't have to. Of course if you talk about not having time to be in a guild that has a tight time table for when it's members need to be online I get that, but the common excuse for not having enough time to play a MMORPG and use that excuse to use a cashshop is something the gamecompany's hope for but still doesn't make much sense to me.

    But that's just me because I play games to accomplish something ingame, that's the only part I bring with me from real life, I simply wouldn't feel good about myself if I won a fight/dungeon/raid/pvp mainly because I bought all gear or whatever from a cashshop.

    Don't read what I said as something you should do regardless how I personaly feel about P2W or Cashshops, because (thankfully) we are all different and if you enjoy games the way you do, keep doing that.

  • UnrealRpgUnrealRpg lindan, NJPosts: 110Member

    Is this the new thing to call everything P2W? If so its getting really tiresome.

     

    Remember Gameshark? That made every game pay 2 win no?

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,778Member Uncommon
    OP, neither EVE nor GW2 are pay to win. I dont know what is this sorcery you speak of, but thanks for supporting 2 mmos that are actually good.

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  • flizzerflizzer Manchester, NHPosts: 1,550Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muchavez
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by muchavez
    Originally posted by Jacxolope

    No- I play games only with an even playing field. When I dont have a ton of time to play each week it takes me longer to do anything but I still get there.

    I play games to separate myself from real life and enjoy a subscription where I am not nickled and dimed.

    -If you really speand that much ($50/week) I would think you could have far more fun doing a night at a casino and possibly winning real money, or playing one of the "real money" MMOs like Europa (not sure if thats the name) where you can make actual money.

    I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing- I could care less, but I would never play a game like that myself.

    More power to ya I guess if spending $200+ a month for virtual items you do not own is wise for your situation- me? I would buy Gold. lol

    I actually spend around 100$ a week, but I can make all that back by working a little over an hour at my second job.

    I have actually checked out Entropia online, however it does not have the massivle-battle appeal that eve has.  I also like GW2's WvWvW.  I'm not sure why you told me to go to a casino though, as I don't enjoy any of the games played there, I like MMOs.

    [mod edit]

    The back-handed insults aren't necessary.  I never said I want to steamroll all opponents.  I just don't want to grind isk for 8-10 hours a day for a weekend of pvp, and FYI 100$/hr isn't that much for someone working a part time job in IT, developers make way way more than me :( 

    EDIT - You need to direct those comments toward that russian oil exec who bought 1/10th of all 0.0 space and a fleet of titans a few years ago :)

    You doin't seem to realize you are a minority among the gaming community.  Yes, you will get a lot of snarky comments about your post because of this.  I don't hate you, but I would not want to be in a guild with you or probbably spend my time playing with you.  I ignore PvP in most f2p games because of people like you.  Of course, it is your money and you can do what you want.  If I had that much money to spare I'm sure I would be spending hundreds a week for gaming also.  

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by UnrealRpg

    Is this the new thing to call everything P2W? If so its getting really tiresome.

     

    Remember Gameshark? That made every game pay 2 win no?

    Gameshark as just flat out cheating (I never used one) but that was in single player, offline games. The comparison wuld be if you were playing against someone in , say, Mortal Kombat and they used the gameshark and you didnt.

    Calling everything "P2W" is totally untrue- If $ gives you an in-game advantage, its P2W. If everyone is on equal footing it is not. Sadly 90% or better of the new games ARE P2W which is why it seems like everything is being called P2W. ;)

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Atlanta, GAPosts: 1,887Member Uncommon

    To be fair to the OP Eve is pretty inoffensive as far as pay to win goes, most people wouldn't even give it that label.  But of course OP shoots him/herself in his/her own foot with the reminder that enough money can indeed buy real power even in Eve.  Most cash shop driven MMOs require much less to buy power and that is the problem.

     

    Personally if I'm going to compete with the wallets of my fellow human beings I'll take up stock market speculation or start playing poker again.

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  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by Madimorga

    To be fair to the OP Eve is pretty inoffensive as far as pay to win goes, most people wouldn't even give it that label.  But of course OP shoots him/herself in his/her own foot with the reminder that enough money can indeed buy real power even in Eve.  Most cash shop driven MMOs require much less to buy power and that is the problem.

     

    Personally if I'm going to compete with the wallets of my fellow human beings I'll take up stock market speculation or start playing poker again.

    Totally agree.

    I give the OP props for honesty .

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,081Member Uncommon

    Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

     

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  • DrakynnDrakynn The Pas, MBPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by SavageHorizon

    Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

     

    I agree with you....I have the cash to spend on these games but I buy games to play and enjoy not buy my way through.I prefer to spend my money on other real things or save it to buy expensive toys or give to charity.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,081Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Drakynn
    Originally posted by SavageHorizon

    Not being big headed but i have plenty of cash to buy what i want when i want, no matter what it is. When it comes to mmo's i would rather put time and effort into obtaining items, i've bought a few outfits in TSW but that's all i have bought. I don't have a lot of time either  but i have no problem waiting even if it means i'm only playing one day a week.

     

    I agree with you....I have the cash to spend on these games but I buy games to play and enjoy not buy my way through.I prefer to spend my money on other real things or save it to buy expensive toys or give to charity.

    I agree. How can anyone actually have any satisfaction knowing they have bought their way through the game, it's a false economy.

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  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAPosts: 1,518Member Uncommon

    I dont consider what the OP is doing to be P2W, its pay for him to save time and do what he enjoys.  Pay2win to me only involves spending real money to purchase something that cannot be acheived by spending time playing the game.  He doesnt have much time, yet wants to be competetive in WvWvW, I have zero issue with it

     

  • AeanderAeander Walker, LAPosts: 522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Madimorga

    All these fans of pay to win make it sound like it's a matter of time versus money but most of the world's adults are short on both.  Therefore it's a matter of two minority groups:  rich people and really poor people with a lot of time on their hands, lording it over those who have neither a lot of time nor a lot of money.  

     

    So no, I strongly dislike pay to win and games like Eve and Guild Wars 2 that allow players to buy currency.  Because currency is always power in an MMO, else why bother having it?

    That's funny because max stat gear is not at all difficult to obtain in Guild Wars 2. What are you winning by having more currency? Skins? 

     

    The really amusing part is that your avatar represents TSW, which sells content expansions, one of which has a bloody auxiliary weapon attached to it. Yep, a (strong) auxiliary that you can only get through purchased content. THAT'S pay-to-win.

  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member

    I really dont get people who "Pay to Win" whether that is buying gear or xp boosts or whatever. 

    If you want to play an MMO, then PLAY THE MMO, why are you paying to NOT play the MMO?

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