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Proof of sandbox popularity?

Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon

Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

 

The only proof of sandboxes being popular is that every new game gets some people on mmorpg.com begging for it to become a sandbox, and the same people scoffing any game thats not a sandbox... 

 

But how popular are Sandboxes?  just wondering if someone ever somewhere did a decent poll about this?

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  • VaporsVapors Fr.Posts: 407Member Uncommon
    everyone wants to be a "sandbox player" but noone will actually play it. Believe me game companies have really good marketing directors (mostly)
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Somewhere, CAPosts: 627Member Uncommon
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 
  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    There is no proof that they are popular. We shall see when the new generation of MMOs come out with several sandboxy games in their midst, they won't be WoW popular, but then neither are themeparks.
  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    There's no indication EVE is popular because it's a sandbox as much as its an MMO in space. It has little to no competition in that area which can easily account for that half a mill or however many active players there are

     

    There's plenty of proof that sandboxes are popular but not enough proof that a MMORPG/MMO sandbox would be. Logic dictates there's a big possibility you could mix the two and have huge popularity as well. I don't see how "massive" would hold a sandbox back unless somebody defines sandbox as "with no limits", then yes. Building things all over the place to cause grief, would be a potential problem

  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    I dont see this thread ending well...

    but since the box is already open I'll help things along.

    Player housing?

  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77 EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 
    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    Nicely pointed out sir, nicely pointed out.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,611Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon

    There is lots of proof that sandboxy (notice I did not say sandbox) games are popular

    Lots of spg, Minecraft

    There is very little proof, if any, that sandbox MMO's are popular.

    However there was little proof that themepark MMO's were popular before WoW (yes I do consider EQ to be themepark, just not as themepark as WoW).  EQ showed that making an MMO more gamey was more popular, I imagine the devs of Wow hoped to have that continue, and then managed to tap into a group of gamers that hadn't played MMO's before and/or didn't like MMO's before.

    Eventually a sandboxy MMO will come out that manages to attract the sandboxy spg players, in turn there will zillions of "clones" and we will finally be able to answer, "Is there proof of sandbox popularity?"

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member

    Oh and

    /inb4 this turns into another "define sandbox" discussion

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,908Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    it's not as simple as that as EVE is one of the few decent space trading games/sandboxes being developed as well as that is up to date ( that's available at present). We'll see what happens with EVE when Elite dangerous and Star Citizen hit the market ( if they make it to release). not to mention more sandbox choices like EQnext.

     Themeparks on the other hand are a dime a dozen today. Meaning those who enjoy them are spread out through many different games.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,474Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

     

    The only proof of sandboxes being popular is that every new game gets some people on mmorpg.com begging for it to become a sandbox, and the same people scoffing any game thats not a sandbox... 

     

    But how popular are Sandboxes?  just wondering if someone ever somewhere did a decent poll about this?

     But isn't popular bad?  For years people saying wow was popular would be chided with mcdonalds popular slams.  So if sandbox is popular will it somehow be immune to this?

    Sandbox could be good, but I have had more fun so far in themeparks.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

    Your saying GW2 which sold what 3-4 million boxes. and no count of active players,  has more players than WoW which currently sits at about 10 million active accounts/players.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member

    Just keep in mind that the only 'proof' here will be:

    what active posters on mmorpg prefer (and only if they came across this thread). 

     

    This isn't a random enough sample or comprehensive enough with tight enough controls to definitively 'prove' anything.

     

  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member
    I like both. Keeing it real, there are some crappy sandboxes out there, just as there are themeparks.
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,611Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

    Your saying GW2 which sold what 3-4 million boxes. and no count of active players,  has more players than WoW which currently sits at about 10 million active accounts/players.

    Read it again. Slowly this time.

  • MindTriggerMindTrigger La Quinta, CAPosts: 2,596Member

    This site has a much higher pecentage of people who understand (loosely) what a sandbox is, and prefer them.  Your poll is only going to reflect this.

    I'm one of them.

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  • TorikTorik London, ONPosts: 2,343Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

     

    The only proof of sandboxes being popular is that every new game gets some people on mmorpg.com begging for it to become a sandbox, and the same people scoffing any game thats not a sandbox... 

     

    But how popular are Sandboxes?  just wondering if someone ever somewhere did a decent poll about this?

     But isn't popular bad?  For years people saying wow was popular would be chided with mcdonalds popular slams.  So if sandbox is popular will it somehow be immune to this?

    Sandbox could be good, but I have had more fun so far in themeparks.

     

    If sandbox games become popular you can always just tell people that you play them ... ironically.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

    Your saying GW2 which sold what 3-4 million boxes. and no count of active players,  has more players than WoW which currently sits at about 10 million active accounts/players.

    Read it again. Slowly this time.

      bah sorry, braindead I guess.  Missed the eve comparison.

    edit - @Refminor - WoW would we ignore WoW (the highest themepark) and count Eve (the highest sandbox).

    I know you'll say WoW is an anomaly which I agree with, however there is just as much evidence saying Eve is an anomaly for sandbox games. 

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • DauzqulDauzqul Detroit, MIPosts: 1,405Member Uncommon

    People have different definitions of "Sandbox".

    A lot of people think of extremely hardcore and unforgiving games like Mortal Online, Darkfall, and Eve as "Sandbox".

     

    I consider myself a Sandbox fan. However, I don't want some blank of empty world. I want loads of content and loads of player-driven social features, e.g., player cities, open worlds, world pvp, world housing, cantinas / taverns with incentives to hangout, gambling games, dancing, player shops, extremely deep crafting etc....

    I want it all...

    These days, gaming is so one-sided. If it's 100% Theme Park, it's boring. If it's 100% Sandbox, it's boring.

  • JonokuJonoku Cool, PAPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Zorgo

    Just keep in mind that the only 'proof' here will be:

    what active posters on mmorpg prefer (and only if they came across this thread). 

     

    This isn't a random enough sample or comprehensive enough with tight enough controls to definitively 'prove' anything.

     

    Most polls aren't that accurate, at least its somewhat accurate.

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  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    Thinking more about that Ref its pretty sad that since WOW we saw so many clones, yet 0 games were able to retain because they were all so bland. The only way to cook food that EVERYONE likes is to make it bland, the problem with bland food is its not very memorable. Sure you kept from turning people off, but you also neglected to give people a reason to order it again.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,611Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

    Your saying GW2 which sold what 3-4 million boxes. and no count of active players,  has more players than WoW which currently sits at about 10 million active accounts/players.

    Read it again. Slowly this time.

    I am you said GW2, no sub required, more players though.  Stating that GW2 has more players.  That would be wrong. 

    Dude! He asked what themepark, other tha WOW, has more subs than EVE.

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Is there any proof that sandboxes are popular at all?

     

    The only two MMOs with growing subs and companies behind them are sandbox MMOs (Eve, Darkfall)
     
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    EVE Online is pretty popular, but it's a niche audience for sure. It just happens that people who prefer that niche are extremely loud on these forums. 

    Without using the word WoW, name a themepark that has more subs.

    GW2... oh wait... no sub required...more players though.

    Your saying GW2 which sold what 3-4 million boxes. and no count of active players,  has more players than WoW which currently sits at about 10 million active accounts/players.

    Read it again. Slowly this time.

    I am you said GW2, no sub required, more players though.  Stating that GW2 has more players.  That would be wrong. 

    Dude! He asked what themepark, other tha WOW, has more subs than EVE.

    allready edited

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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