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doomspectredoomspectre Brooklyn, NYPosts: 12Member

The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. It's, in a spiritual sense, a dead genre. The developer teams behind any interesting ideas and projects are shells of what they used to be, and most of the brains involved have moved on to offline gaming. 

 

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. It's, in a spiritual sense, a dead genre. The developer teams behind any interesting ideas and projects are shells of what they used to be, and most of the brains involved have moved on to offline gaming. 

     

    You don't speak for everyone.

    It is much better for me now, then before. "Consumer oriented" is a good thing for the consumer.

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    I hear ya, thankfully upcoming CRPG's look pretty good this year. If you've skipped out on SP games up until now, you've got a good amount of RPG's to look into giving a go. image
  • ragz45ragz45 rochester hills, MIPosts: 686Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. It's, in a spiritual sense, a dead genre. The developer teams behind any interesting ideas and projects are shells of what they used to be, and most of the brains involved have moved on to offline gaming. 

     

    Pretty close to my feelings also.  The movement toward solo-oriented play has really just ruined the entire genre for me.  What is the point in playing an online MMORPG when you spend 99% of the time soloing?

  • pantheronpantheron calhoun, GAPosts: 170Member
    I wholeheartedly disagree. I enjoy more MMORPGs now than I ever did in the past,and enjoy each of them more than the games I was playing then. 

    I play MMOs for the Forum PVP

  • ragz45ragz45 rochester hills, MIPosts: 686Member Uncommon

    Topics like this just prove what many people have been saying for years.  There are two types of mmo players.  Those that like to solo most of the time and just know that there are other people around.  And those that want to group all the time, and hate soloing.

    There are a bazillion games out now that cater to camp #1.  Where's our Niche mmo that caters to camp #2?

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. It's, in a spiritual sense, a dead genre. The developer teams behind any interesting ideas and projects are shells of what they used to be, and most of the brains involved have moved on to offline gaming. 

     

    Damn consumers...

    That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  • Punk999Punk999 Baytown, TXPosts: 874Member Uncommon

    I miss the days where you had to be social a lil bit to do anything in a mmo.

    At the same time i know alot that didnt... but goodluck to whatever genre of games you go to OP.

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  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowPosts: 1,016Member
    Originally posted by ragz45

    Topics like this just prove what many people have been saying for years.  There are two types of mmo players.  Those that like to solo most of the time and just know that there are other people around.  And those that want to group all the time, and hate soloing.

    There are a bazillion games out now that cater to camp #1.  Where's our Niche mmo that caters to camp #2?

    They joined camp #1 because they got fed up with leetist jerks who required members to have dps meters and every other add on under the sun, then they brought in gear score.  Dungeons and raids stop being fun when you start having to worry about doing maths to meet a criteria.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,991Member Uncommon
    Yeah, I'm pretty much out, just hiding out in old MMOs while watching the world go by.

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
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  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    Originally posted by Cod_Eye
    Originally posted by ragz45

    Topics like this just prove what many people have been saying for years.  There are two types of mmo players.  Those that like to solo most of the time and just know that there are other people around.  And those that want to group all the time, and hate soloing.

    There are a bazillion games out now that cater to camp #1.  Where's our Niche mmo that caters to camp #2?

    They joined camp #1 because they got fed up with leetist jerks who required members to have dps meters and every other add on under the sun.

    I'd say that's more of a guild/raiding issue than the average PuG'ing player. From my experiences at least. What few group oriented games are still going have pretty polite communities, and certainly aren't judging team mates on their gear/UI/DPS output.

  • IkifalesIkifales tucson, AZPosts: 265Member Uncommon
    I like both. My first MMO (SWG) never forced me to group but also was the most social MMO I have ever played....go figure. It had the tools to allow for different playstyles.
  • ragz45ragz45 rochester hills, MIPosts: 686Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride
    Originally posted by Cod_Eye
    Originally posted by ragz45

    Topics like this just prove what many people have been saying for years.  There are two types of mmo players.  Those that like to solo most of the time and just know that there are other people around.  And those that want to group all the time, and hate soloing.

    There are a bazillion games out now that cater to camp #1.  Where's our Niche mmo that caters to camp #2?

    They joined camp #1 because they got fed up with leetist jerks who required members to have dps meters and every other add on under the sun.

    I'd say that's more of a guild/raiding issue than the average PuG'ing player. From my experiences at least. What few group oriented games are still going have pretty polite communities, and certainly aren't judging team mates on their gear/UI/DPS output.

    Yep, this is solely a WoW occurance.  I've never seen this problem or attitude in any other game I've ever played.

  • Marcus-Marcus- Posts: 970Member Uncommon

    I feel the same way.

     

    MMOs aren't really made for long term any longer, at least for me.  I was pretty dissapointed with the way the genre' was going to begin with, but i optimistically tried TOR, with its overy hyped "story" that i thought was mostly mediocre at best, and their claim of having "some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world" (or some such). Well that didn't turn out so well.

     

     I'm currently (sort of) playing GW2 with its mostly meaningless WvW, and bland SPvP. I log in occasionally, give nothing to the cash shop, mainly because the game just feels like another "lobby" MMO. Go here for PvE, queue here for WvW, queue here for SPvP, this armor is different for this, thats good for that, but don't forget these for the other thing, bleh.

     

    The social interaction of these games (MMOs) is minimal in my opinion.  I'm not talking exclusively grouping for the next piece of gear either.

     

    I want an online "world" again.

     

    After seeing Jacobs "principles" and his general out look on the way he wants his game, I decided to back CU. If it doesn't work out, I think i may consider myself done as well. I definetly considered it already, but CU sort of came out of no where, so, my last shot perhaps.

     

    I haven't watched this much TV since AOLs NwN, as i feel like i have the last year. An exxgeration perhaps, but i am doing a lot less MMOing. And its not "rose-colored glasses, its lack of excitement, and "fun", different for everyone, i know.

     

    I typically don't rant, but i'm pretty saddened by the state of things.  i really hope developers will start making these games for the people with specific "tastes" in thier game, and not just the masses. Trying to please everyone seems to be working in limitation no doubt, but can niche' games be profitable as well? I would like to think so.  And not just a PvP niche', but other aspects as well.

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by dumpcat
    I like both. My first MMO (SWG) never forced me to group but also was the most social MMO I have ever played....go figure. It had the tools to allow for different playstyles.

    This.

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,916Member Uncommon

    I don't mind solo with other people around.  In fact, I solo quite a bit, when GF and I aren't grouped up.

     

    I'm just looking for open world exploration based PVE.  I don't want quest hub hopping doing meaningless tasks for NPCs or riding on rails doing long chain story-lines with storyboard cut-scenes.

     

    I want to play MY character, not some character a developer designed for me.

     


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  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,468Member Uncommon

    I miss the days when you could be unique in MMO's and server reputation was an important thing.  I remember fearing a guy named infinity on Catskills in UO.  He was a fearless bandit, he once fought off myself and 4 friends and he would sometimes camp the mountain pass out of Brittania.  Everyone knew him and the forums were filled with respectful posts about his skills.  In SWG there were several awesome weaponsmiths who could make weapons with extra damage and people sought them out and made appointments with them on the forums.

    Now we all have the same powers, we all look the same unless you buy an outfit or mount from the cash shop and there is little reason for me to ever care about your toon in the game. 

     

    I'm not moving on just yet as I see some hope on the horizon.  With so many once great studios selling out to big business and then big business making crappy games I see a new wave of small studios trying to emerge and bring back the uniqueness of our characters.  I have hope things will get better as people see the current business models are not working.   

  • slickbizzleslickbizzle Matthews, NCPosts: 464Member
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. 

     

     

    Businesses are making games to take your money?  I can not accept that.    

     

    If that is the case, (and I do mean IF), then I wish it could go back to the late 90's as well, when companies didn't want to make money off of their product.

     

     

     

  • Marcus-Marcus- Posts: 970Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by slickbizzle
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. 

     

     

    Businesses are making games to take your money?  I can not accept that.    

     

    If that is the case, (and I do mean IF), then I wish it could go back to the late 90's as well, when companies didn't want to make money off of their product.

     

     

     

     They always wanted to make money, but i personally think some are just trying waay to hard now.  And falling on their face while reaching for that golden ring.

     

    /shrug

  • BahamutKaiserBahamutKaiser Hyattsville, MDPosts: 306Member
    The OP accurately represents how many people feel about the genre, abused. Sure its a generalization, and there are always exceptions, but we can all recognize that the genre has been scamming us with poor quality and cheap money grabs for a generation...

    The genre fuels more disappointment than satisfaction.

    Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
    That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.

  • danwest58danwest58 Cincinnati, OHPosts: 981Member Uncommon
    I have had a few dozen friends stop playing MMOs because of what they have become today.  Its possible they may come back when EQNext comes out or Titan.  If them 2 games do not change the MMO landscape then I am done too because they have become too solo friendly or lobby based games.  I also think that the Themepark is a little over done right now.

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  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by danwest58
    I have had a few dozen friends stop playing MMOs because of what they have become today.  Its possible they may come back when EQNext comes out or Titan. 

    Why would the next MMO, made by the people who are responsible for what MMOs have become today (WoW) and have never made a single innovative product in their entire company run, bring any hope to this genre?

  • NevulusNevulus Miami Beach, FLPosts: 1,288Member Uncommon

    my entire MMO clan has broken apart release by release, let down by let down due to the generalization and assimilation of the mmo genre into the mainstream. Now we have co-op instance games passing by as "mmos" hiding under a f2p model ready to abuse the very enriched few.

     

    Lots of blame to go around. From players, to devs, to even gaming sites such as this one so hard up for content they will throw the mmo label on just about anything.

     

    Darkfall is the only mmo recently i can think of that even REMOTELY plays like a classic mmo (ie open world, loot system, spawn camps, dungeons, sandbox)

     

    I am joining the rest of the people waiting for EQ NEXT as the last hope. For now I am enjoying Defiance and Darkfall until I get bored again.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Orlando, FLPosts: 842Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Originally posted by doomspectre

    The MMO isn't the genre anyone wanted it to become, playing the games that defined it back in the late 90's. It's a cash cropand an innovator of the increasingly consumer oriented F2P model. A platform for strategic business developments. It's, in a spiritual sense, a dead genre. The developer teams behind any interesting ideas and projects are shells of what they used to be, and most of the brains involved have moved on to offline gaming. 

     

    Pretty close to my feelings also.  The movement toward solo-oriented play has really just ruined the entire genre for me.  What is the point in playing an online MMORPG when you spend 99% of the time soloing?

    This and the sense that there is no world or community. Look at GW2. I really wanted to like that game, but between the soft grouping mechanics and the fact that I never needed to interact with anyone made the whole gameplay experience feel bleh!

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Orlando, FLPosts: 842Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dumpcat
    I like both. My first MMO (SWG) never forced me to group but also was the most social MMO I have ever played....go figure. It had the tools to allow for different playstyles.

    But it did force you to socialize. Crafters were dependent on each other and combat characters for components. You could learn skill from other players. You needed buffs and healing from doctors and dancers. The inter-reliance system made for an awesome community.

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • delete5230delete5230 Posts: 2,958Member Uncommon
    Most all are crap now,,,,I agree !
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