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Will it be full open-world PVP?
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The objective of a sandbox should be controlled chaos and not unbridled chaos. Uncontrolled Darwinism leads to the highlander situation in where there can be only one, and one is no longer a game. There is no "I have the freedom to do anything I want" kind of sandbox, because that is really just an empty room.
I... I... I'm speechless...
You are hating on everything that I loved about SWG. Except crafting of course which you stated that you liked.
SWG was all about making your own content. Yes, so what if it involved grinding, it was part of the fun. Then NGE hit because of some vision someone had which completely ruined the game. And, they have admitted to that it was a misstake to implement it.
I hope, that EQnext will be EQ1, EQ2, Vanguard and SWG (pre-cu) mixed into 1. All the goodies combined to make THE mmorpg that I hope most will love!
Storm
Everquest one had 3 different types of PvP server, PvP free for all, PvP teams (3 races a team) and PvP diety (depend on what god u worship). i would expect somthing similar to that in EQN
You may see the return of the old EQ PvP loot system though, you could lot all the coin on the player body+1 item or somthing along those lines.
I think Ultima Online did a good job of this back in the day. When you murder someone and go "red" you can't go into towns without being attacked by guards.
You can go ahead and choose to be a murderer but then you have to operate on the outskirts of society.
maybe it will have PVP but since 99% of the EQ players are strict PVE players there will be PVE only servers or alternatively PVP will just be possible while being able to "turn it off" if you don't want to PVP
if you think this will be a PVP focused game, lol, good luck with that, this is EQ, not guild wars
your open world pvp game is called ArcheAge
Well -it's Sony and it's EQ - and from what I've recalled, it's all cornfield pvp. Meaning, someone's leveling in a cornfield and a guy comes by and ganks him. That's not epic, it's not story worthy, you won't read random crap like that in fantasy novels - you'll read about nations vs nations, epic struggles...and drama.
Coming from Dark Age of Camelot - eq's concept of pvp is the equivalent of watching Yo Gabba Gabba in order to find emmy winning drama.
I will wait for youtube videos before I give my opinon, but I'm not holding my breath for this project's "fun" pvp.
Cornfield PVP is part of a true sandbox though, isn't it? It's about having the freedom to choose to do that.
where r u getting all this info?
"You’ll be able to destroy, massive, massive parts of this world, almost all of it. You can light the forest on fire; we have ambition with this thing. We want it to be something where the world you log into, might not be the world you log into in five days. What you saw in WoW’s Cataclysm could take place because someone cast a spell that is powerful enough to do something major. We want it to be meaningful. And that’s what we’re building. It’s actually what we’ve built, because we’ve got this now. It just isn’t quite at the level where we’re OK [to reveal it to the public]. We have a story that we want to tell for the announcement of it, we want it that you’re seeing every aspect of the gameplay, we’re one aspect short of that until we’re ready to show, so we’re close now.”
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=30916&storypage=2
This gets me super excited!!!!!!!!
I have no problem with PVP and I hope it is widely allowed in EQ Next.
HOWEVER...
They need to find some way that it doesn't consume the entire game. From the hints dropped so far, they plan on making a game that is not just about combat. The problems come in managing people with names like DEthLoKK666 who believe the game is 100 percent about finding ways to use their PVP freedoms to prevent other players from enjoying the game. If we learned anything from original UO, it is that a healthy game ecosystem flourishes with players of all types. You need wolves, certainly. But you need all the other animals too. A game world made up of a just a bunch of cannibals is a game headed for low pop fringe status.
EQ may have not have had a great pvp system in place like daoc did but the pvp was meaningful coming from someone who played on vallon zek (team pvp server in EQ)
most of the pvp were battles for zone/camp control and the community had rules in place that if you lost you couldn't return to the zone for an hour.
i never got ganked while on a mob or corpse camped and if i did i would just have to send a tell to that players guild leader/officer and that would put an end to it real quick.
it was honorable pvp and you made a name for yourself if you were good.
ive also seen some epic mass pvp battles in EQ where multiple guilds would fight over raid bosses or zones multiple guilds were farming.
i think the alternate ruleset server model will be just fine in this game.
there is little chance that they will force people to play in a ffa pvp world in an EQ game.
that would piss off a large portion of their fan base. i do hope and think there will be a teams pvp and ffa pvp server as well as a RP server at least.
but this isn't DU and if they made it like that it would be a mistake IMO
From the context, I'm pretty sure he was talking about the PvP system in pre-CU SWG. And I fully agree that on a server not dedicated to PvP, that is the only style I would tolerate.
It was fully consensual: if you wanted to PvP, you joined a faction. You could run covert if you wished, but you knew that you could be "outed" at any time by some NPCs and faction scanners. And if you wanted to help out a faction without actually taking the risk of joining it, then you acquired a TEF (Temporary Enemy Flag) while running their missions.
ill beleive it when i see it, heard Anets claims that the world will be ever changing with their Dynamic events system too.
Only because it is going to be sandbox doesn't mean it has to be open world PVP. Both are not mutually exclusive.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
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-Luke McKinney
There is no way Smedley is that dumb,he's not going to create a game that aloows you to annoy another player and destroy everything faster than they can build it.Nothing would ever get built,the game would be an empty mess of sloppy pvp,
IMO if this is going to be a large game,it is all about land mass,he is going to allow plots to every player.This will no doubt be shrouded by a lot of cash shop ideas.Since SOE and Blizzard have done nothing but copy cat of late,i expect to see perhaps the Castle Seige ,seems that is the ongoing trend.I hate trends,i wish developers would think for themselves and be creative.
How much creativity have we seen in either EQ game,almost none.When come out with new xpacs the only new idea was the mercs and the pack pony albeit thepony is not very useful unless you solo with no guild crafting box.Matter of fact SOE's trend has been to try and dumb down every single mechanic so it takes no effrot in the design.The yhave relagted stats in EQ2 all to Stamina and ONE stat.They removed some tiers in crafting as well as the mats.
I simply do not see EQ:Next as being much of a creative effort.I see it going same old but createthat carrot to enforce cash shop.If SOE shows me some creativity "for once" i will probably fall out of my chair.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
In EQ there were at least two world changing PvE events that I know of. One was the Coldain ring quest where the giants attacked and killed the dwarves if you lost, the other was in Luclin where the ownership of a whole area swapped factions depending on how a quest went. The giant one was temporary, but it lasted for quite a while, not just minutes.
I can easily see a quest or failed attack on a boss leading to a whole forrest getting burned and staying burned until another quest gets completed or it lasts long enough time for the forrest to regrow. Whole NPC cities could change hands from dwarves to giants to dragons based on player actions that have nothing to do with PvP.
While he did say that the world would change, I don't think he ever mentioned pvp so I don't think it's safe to assume that PvP is in or out.
If it's in, I've always liked the idea of hiring guards for player built towns/houses/forts. I think that building something should take 1X effort and destroying that same thing should take 100X.
Asdar
don't forget about the sleeper
I'm sure there will be both PVP and PVE servers like there is now, and I am sure there will have their level ranges like they have now. They got that stuff right forsure. Everquest 2 PVP combat is fantastic, especially the open world and the way they have it set up.
My main hope is that they do not change the combat system to any of these new MMOs, where's it's very minimal attacks. EQ2 has a great combat system, without global cool downs, so I hope that they keep that forsure.
Killing dragons is my shit
I think some of you are stuck on MMO conventions and what's been done in the past. I don't blame you, but consider the following..
- Really rough quote from Director of Development for the EverQuest Franchise at SOE:
"The MMO model we all know and love wasn't going to hit it out of the park...would just be another MMO, we couldn't keep going down that road. So we threw it all away, brought in original thinkers and made list of what we loved/hated about MMOs and shorted list of "holy grails" we always wanted to conquor. Picked and picked and picked at it until we found pillars people would lose their mind about, that they would look at it and go 'They're doing what?!!' And they'll want to play it."
So in other words, everything we know about failed PVP need not apply here. If open-world PVP is one of the holy grails/pillars that's going to make people go "They're doing what?!!" then it's possible they're looking at a new and innovative way of implementing it that makes people want to play. I think for open-world PVP to work though it needs to be a design element which is factored into all the other elements, so like people said above, the rest of the population doesn't get eaten by the big bad wolves.
hrm I must be the only one in this thread that didnt read/see anywhere, Smed saying that playermade buildings could be destroyed by players....reading the OP make me wonder if they mixed Archeage and EQN abit together? destructable environment Ive heard about, but not buildings?
I really hope eq next will be nothing like that. We don't need another of those, you just go play one that is already out or will be out soon such as Archeage. Action based combat, I hope not.. or rather what I mean is, if you want paced combat rather than complex tactical combat mechanics, there are plenty games to pick from already - I hope Eqnext wont fall into that ditch.
Hehe and just to disagree completely lol, I hope pvp will be very different from the usual griefer style that we .. again have in so many other games. So in short, I hope Eqnext will be different, we don't need more of the same. We shall see what it will be.
One last thing, some think sandbox means free pvp, but that is just one kind of sandbox genre.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
It sounds like what you want IS more of the same.
It won't be as pve orientated as the prior EQ games. Mainly because they want it to be different and smedley is a know big fan of eve.
What I think they might do is blend a mix of daoc and eve for pvp.
E.g.
Most of the world is pve flagged.
But they have a large area that is pvp flagged with keep battles and such as in daoc.
But it won't be fictional warfare, guilds claim keeps and fight it out. Also probably have ability to build bases and permenantly destroy them.
Basicly I think like what they are planning to do in ps2 with the sandbox continent feature that's in the roadmap. They are using ps2 to try stuff out for EQn, including the actual game engine and how the f2p will work.