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  • furbansfurbans Tinbucktwo, IAPosts: 965Member
    Originally posted by JasonJ

    So many people are clueless about this game. Its so GOD DAMN EASY to make AD...it hasnt even been 4 days and people are bitching they dont have it all yet.

    If you are not maxing out your 24k refined AD every day you are doing something very wrong...and yesterday, yesterday I got almost 16k AD from Foundry tips and I only released 1 part of a campaign so far. So yesterday, I got 40k AD total. I intend to make at least 1 foundry quest a week to augment AD intake...not to mention the games wonderful little design that is going to allow me to get most cash shop items for free...maybe I should write up a tutorial on how to use the fact that this is a F2P game to get AD with little effort to be used to buy cash shop items so your main has all the AD they need for non-zen use.

    Some people are blind to the deficiencies of their precious MMO.  24k is like combing a parking lot for dropped pennies to buy a meal.  24k will only take you 100 days for an epic mount and that is not calculating the 1/2 of a year farming for the training.  Sure there might easier with the AH but I don't think it will speed things up much quicker.  It takes such an excrucient amount of time for all the grinding that they literally force you to buy Zen with RMT in order to convert to AD to get what you want.  A daily grind for currency IS NOT FUN PERIOD.  I've done that in WoW with the emblems and that was one of the things that sucked the fun out of the game, and WoW's grind is a pittance to what Neverwitner will be in that regard.

    I was very leary of the game being F2P and having a cash shop  along with all classes and content being 100% free and how Neverwitner turned out is percisely why.  The charge you exhorbiant prices for every little single thing they can think of and classifying it as "non-essentials."  Some fluff stuff is essential like bags, mount training, pots that provide buffs, health stones, identify scrolls,  and a decent selection of mounts amoung other things.  Yeah content is free... thats the only thing free.  DDO has a decent F2P system.  GW2 has a good system with a cash shop but uses a B2P model, which Cryptic couldn't utilize because the game the game quality is nowhere near the level that would justify a box sales price.

    But I can't believe this 1% crap BS with stones/runestones/whatevers.  This is why I am very leary of F2P games.

  • DeniZgDeniZg ZagrebPosts: 669Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by furbans

    Some people are blind to the deficiencies of their precious MMO.  24k is like combing a parking lot for dropped pennies to buy a meal.  24k will only take you 100 days for an epic mount and that is not calculating the 1/2 of a year farming for the training.  Sure there might easier with the AH but I don't think it will speed things up much quicker.  It takes such an excrucient amount of time for all the grinding that they literally force you to buy Zen with RMT in order to convert to AD to get what you want.  A daily grind for currency IS NOT FUN PERIOD.  I've done that in WoW with the emblems and that was one of the things that sucked the fun out of the game, and WoW's grind is a pittance to what Neverwitner will be in that regard.

    ...

    Heh, it took me a lot more than 100 days in vanilla WoW to buy even regular mount, not to mention epic one. And that game has box price + sub fee. Everybody was happy when they managed to grind some gear or reputation or whatever. Good times.

    Anyway, I see your point and it's valid if you're one of those people who want everyhing, right now and free of charge. Obviously, it doesn't work like that in F2P games, nor life for that matter.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon

    You can make many more AD in a day beyond the 24k limit on a single character by selling on the AH... what you get from selling items isn't rough AD. AH is a bit all over the place at the moment but once things settle.. it'll be a nice source of AD.

    Just thought I'd throw that out there...

  • RidrithRidrith Mountain View, ARPosts: 334Member Uncommon
    I have over 7 million AD.  As for the enchantments, what class are you playing exactly?  I'm a level 36 GWF and I don't even bother to enchant my gear let alone actually take anything out of them when/if I do.  What's the point?  I keep up in DPS  charts generally 1st or 2nd and that's even against rogues.  I generally do better than most other GWFs I get in group with.  I don't see what the big deal is currently, it seems like you -wasted- your AD on something.  I bought both the founders pack and the guardian pack and I used those gems to play the market and make AD by using zen to buy keys to open the nightmare chests.  I've got plenty of AD to spend.  Every 5 levels I go the AH and pick up a new set of blue gear and call it a day.  I'm not going to touch enchantments or runestones until 60 if I can help it.
  • SagasaintSagasaint Miami, FLPosts: 460Member
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    70K AD here and i just simply play the game and don't have to go out of my way to farm AD. I make sure i get 24K AD a day. (daily limit)

    Making AD is very easy in this game so no complaints from my side.

    good job

    410k more and you can buy a simple bag

     

    yes, a bag. something that in 99,999999% MMOs out there is absolutly meaningless and worthless.

     

    then u can start working on the other 3 bags, plus bank spaces, plus respecs...and after that, wards to enchant max level item,  the good companions, and the fast mount

     

    on the bright side, in 50 years, when you are farming for the last items,  you'll probably have grandchildren to help you so it'll go faster

  • ThreshThresh Waterloo, ONPosts: 52Member
    Read an entire thread - main point is that not even a bag + companion spending. Its about $200+ For a single greater enchant per item slot per character, unless you going to go for one of them 1% infuse chances image
  • ThreshThresh Waterloo, ONPosts: 52Member

    Right now this board is overrun with hundreds of lowbies praising the lowbie gameplay per 1 experienced player. It really needs a month or so to mature to really have a logical discussion here. All I see is "Hay I'm leveling just fine and i got x thousant AD No problem bro!"

     

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

     

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thresh

    Right now this board is overrun with hundreds of lowbies praising the lowbie gameplay per 1 experienced player. It really needs a month or so to mature to really have a logical discussion here. All I see is "Hay I'm leveling just fine and i got x thousant AD No problem bro!"

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

    So getting the best items in the game either costs loads, and I mean LOADS, of real money.. or takes a ton of grinding AD i.e. playing the game.

    As it should be really.

    I mean yeh, that's an obvious P2W arguement what you've shown there but you know what... The difference between the easily obtainable gems and max levels gems is very minor. That's a LOT of money to spend on such a minor upgrade. If someone is willing to spend $200 on getting a max gem, I say let em... they deserve it if they are willing to waste that sort of money on something that will hardly make a difference.

  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 grenoblePosts: 107Member Uncommon

    You guys totally go ape about nothing important.

    Just like in every Cryptic game, you don't need the best gear to do high lvl content.

  • JasonJJasonJ New Port Richey, FLPosts: 395Member
    Originally posted by bambucha

     

    so which part of 'it costs 1000 zen to use higher lvl enchants, per enchant' you dont understand? Or do you actually agree how we should just suck it up and pay $10 per enchant (now calculate how many enchants you need, someone else did it but they deleted that topic :P).

    You are new to this F2P thing arent you?

    I will end up with every single thing I want in this game without spending a dime by using what they have put in place against them and will do it out of spite of their massive greed with their shop prices.

    Free game = an unlimited amount of accounts and they provided an easy way to get AD with next to no playing at all. I will let you figure the rest out if you can, if you cant, too damn bad for wanting everything so damn fast you couldnt stop to figure it out.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JasonJ
    Originally posted by bambucha

    so which part of 'it costs 1000 zen to use higher lvl enchants, per enchant' you dont understand? Or do you actually agree how we should just suck it up and pay $10 per enchant (now calculate how many enchants you need, someone else did it but they deleted that topic :P).

    You are new to this F2P thing arent you?

    I will end up with every single thing I want in this game without spending a dime by using what they have put in place against them and will do it out of spite of their massive greed with their shop prices.

    Free game = an unlimited amount of accounts and they provided an easy way to get AD with next to no playing at all. I will let you figure the rest out if you can, if you cant, too damn bad for wanting everything so damn fast you couldnt stop to figure it out.

    If you're talking about Invocation..

    Yeh, it's an easy way to do it. But the time it takes logging in and out of characters every hour vs the amount of AD you get (which is pretty unpredictable) is nothing compared to the speed you can get them by farming good items and selling them on the AH.

    Let's say it takes 1 minute per account (2 characters) and you get between 75 and 300 AD 'sometimes' when you invocate.. if we call that an average 150 every time (which is generous). That's 120 characters per hour getting 150 AD each time. That's only 18,000 per hour, could be a little more or could be a little less.

    That is not a lot. Not to mention it's a pretty shit way to be spending your free time. Messing about putting items on the AH for your other accounts to buy so all the AD gets onto your main account.

    At level 30 right now I'm finding items that sell for over 10,000 AD.. by level 60 we'll be finding items that sell for 50,000 on a regular basis.

    ..or, you might be taking about getting AD through leadership crafting. Yep, another easy way.. but it still won't compare to selling items, even when doing both that and invocation together.

  • KaeriganKaerigan None Of Your BusinessPosts: 689Member
    Originally posted by JasonJ
    Originally posted by bambucha

     

    so which part of 'it costs 1000 zen to use higher lvl enchants, per enchant' you dont understand? Or do you actually agree how we should just suck it up and pay $10 per enchant (now calculate how many enchants you need, someone else did it but they deleted that topic :P).

    You are new to this F2P thing arent you?

    I will end up with every single thing I want in this game without spending a dime by using what they have put in place against them and will do it out of spite of their massive greed with their shop prices.

    Free game = an unlimited amount of accounts and they provided an easy way to get AD with next to no playing at all. I will let you figure the rest out if you can, if you cant, too damn bad for wanting everything so damn fast you couldnt stop to figure it out.

    Are you being serious right now? Are you actually saying the prices are reasonable because you can just make multiple accounts?

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  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member

    What's with the greed of F2P mooches, that seem to think they are entitled to have everything just given to them. It's so bad now that even when a game allows you all the content for free they complain about not getting what they want fast enough. Yep the new era of gamers in their greed have given rise to  the crapfest of pay to achieve faster games or pay to win games we are stuck with today.

    patience is a virtue that seems to have been lost.

  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane

    That's how F2P games work and why I always loathed them.They sucker you in with easy normal and comfortable gameplay like you used to with P2P games.Then after some levels you get hit with the WTF hammer and it's "Pay Up with real cash!" time.

     

    The truth has been spoken. I agree completely.

    I have sold out of pc gaming. I like to browse these forums though. Its stuff like rip off f2p that reassures me when I start thinking the grass is greener in the pc gaming world, that the grass is actually dead.
  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JasonJ
    Originally posted by Vannor

    If you're talking about Invocation..

    /snip

    [mod edit]

    I'm not trying to get decked, I'm in no rush.. nor am I trying to find exploits. Unless it's being gained through tradeskilling, it's gotta be an exploit. Exploits are not the ins and outs of the game and it won't last forever, even an oversight in the tradeskills will get changed. I bow down to your superior knowledge of the game sir, you must really know your stuff. Have fun cheating. I'll have fun playing.

  • chaintmchaintm Chicago, ILPosts: 972Member Common

    Actually following this thread and this realted to other threads I read, when free to play is mentioned , there are certain items I can see that seem extreme (exclusives) to buy in game like the mount. But then they need to make money. As for the whole conversition issue, the only thing I can say about free to play and paying is.

     

    "the only thing you are paying for is time"

     

    and if you really think about it, I mean seriously just stop and think......

     

     

    Yeah you got it.

     

     

    So, the only reason to do anything mentioned in this thread and your hard earned cash is to save you time from playing a game that you don't see yourself playing in a few weeks or months. If you see yourself playing and enjoy it that much, there is no reason to buy it and this thread is nill. But I am guessing it's "I have been on more then that guy and he bought his way threw and now is better but I spend more time in game!" ego threat. Meh whatever, just keep grinding or go out get a job like that dick and you can be one too!

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thresh

    Right now this board is overrun with hundreds of lowbies praising the lowbie gameplay per 1 experienced player. It really needs a month or so to mature to really have a logical discussion here. All I see is "Hay I'm leveling just fine and i got x thousant AD No problem bro!"

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

    So I did some checking around..

    And found out you can get Coalescent Wards (100% fuse chance) by spending Celestrial Synergy on Coffers of Wonderous Augmentation. You get Celestrial Synergy from Invocation at the rest areas.

    So.. you can still get those max enchantments without spending any money and without grinding AD. Just takes a bit of time.

  • mightyfcmightyfc vasterasPosts: 98Member

    well thank god a few more seem to have opened their eyes to  this and not only the lvl 15 fanboys living in sweet denial

     

    guess i was ahead of my time on this one :P

  • kriminal66kriminal66 Spokane, WAPosts: 79Member Uncommon
    Im only level 23 and have had no problem with echantments i have a shit ton what i want to know is how bad is it in the later levels because i dont want to invest in it and i dont wanna get my ass kicked in pvp because of it. Plus i already gave them a few more players i know and i would have not done that if people are more powerful in pvp for spending money.
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Sagasaint
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    70K AD here and i just simply play the game and don't have to go out of my way to farm AD. I make sure i get 24K AD a day. (daily limit)

    Making AD is very easy in this game so no complaints from my side.

    good job

    410k more and you can buy a simple bag

     

    yes, a bag. something that in 99,999999% MMOs out there is absolutly meaningless and worthless.

     

    then u can start working on the other 3 bags, plus bank spaces, plus respecs...and after that, wards to enchant max level item,  the good companions, and the fast mount

     

    on the bright side, in 50 years, when you are farming for the last items,  you'll probably have grandchildren to help you so it'll go faster

    50 years? Blowing things out of proportions are we? but hey what would be mmorpg.com without hyperbole and exaggeration.

    AH does not come under the daily limit of AD and once things settle down a  bit it is going to be good source of AD. Oh and roll an alt and you can double your AD's per day.

    Problem with people like you is that they want everything now and fast. But that is how this generation is, even toasters are slower now days.

     

     

    Originally posted by mightyfc

    well thank god a few more seem to have opened their eyes to  this and not only the lvl 15 fanboys living in sweet denial

     

    guess i was ahead of my time on this one :P

     

     

    When you run out of valid points make sure to throw the word 'fanboys' around. That always works in bringing forth mature arguments. 

     

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by mightyfc

    holy shit just reached 30 and just the costs from removing /attaching gemsso far is bringing me on my knees

    its like 3-4k  Ad to remove a rank 1 gem, and you can get 10k ad per day... had a r3 gem that costed me 9k!! to remove when i switched gear, 1 day for 1 gem... what ? ive already used up almost 650k ad (now take that and divide by 10k per day) on various shit

     

    and no fuckin ad from quests yet just gold wich is of little to no use , just a few pots and shit, some worthless gear that ull find better before you can use anyhow

     

    if you dont buy your AD that is

     

    epic fail imminent

     

    1) Its based on the item level, not the gem.

    2) Unless its an amazing end game gem, why bother removing it? Tier 3 is common as you level up.  

    3) End game activities give more AD. You really dont need to spend any AD at all until you get to 60 (I havent spent any yet and my main is level 50).

    4) You also get a lot of AD from leveling your Leadership tradeskill.

  • MrG8MrG8 SwedenPosts: 82Member

    Yes they really should add AD on quests!

     

  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by Sagasaint

    good job

    410k more and you can buy a simple bag

     

    yes, a bag. something that in 99,999999% MMOs out there is absolutly meaningless and worthless.

     

    You get enough bags from doing the questlines. Having more space is just a convenience so you dont have to run to a vendor as often.

  • OtakunOtakun New Providence, PAPosts: 864Member
    I think a bigger concern of greed in the game is that players keep hitting need on unidentified items, even if its not for their class. 
  • OtakunOtakun New Providence, PAPosts: 864Member
    Originally posted by MrG8

    Yes they really should add AD on quests!

     

    You can get AD easily by doing skirmishes which are much faster. 

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