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  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Maplewood, NJPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by JeroKane

    Here is the latest revalation: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?181661-Want-Enchantment-Effects-Get-out-your-wallet

    If people still cannot believe that it's PWE pulling the strings and not Cryptic. Then naivity has reached a new high.

    Your argument is kinda negated by all the people claiming that getting a lot of AD makes this possible without spending any money.  Sure it will take time, but all MMOs have something that requires time to get, and since it is free, you don't exactly have to be paying a subscription to play to get the AD.

    Is it annoying that the prices are high?  Yes.  But should people really be complaining about it since there are viable alternatives to spending money that only take a few days to get the equivalent?  No.  Now if the alternative took an insanely long amount of time or if there was no alternative, I would understand the complaints, but right now, all I see is just shallow people complaining that they can't get instant gratification in a game that is free to download and free to play, but still needs money to maintain, develop, and improve.  Want to complain about something, go back in time, play Allods when their cash shop was implemented, and complain about that.

     LOL! Have you even read through this topic and seen people's calculations and "real money" costs?

    PWE is really not that far off anymore compared to gPotato when it comes to money grabs.

    If you think that 1% success rate is "reasonable".... I just don't know what to say.

    But whatever.

    Um, yes.  Yes I did.  The question is, did you read it and actually pay attention to each and every single one.

    And suuure PWE is not much better than gPotato when it comes to money.  That is why PWE offers you alternatives to buying cash shop cash and gPotato does not (wait, wouldn't that make PWE much better?)

    Also, if you think that I though that a "1% success rate is 'reasonable'", then you obviously didn't pay attention to my post, which really makes me question whether or not you actually paid attention to the thread you linked.

    But whatever.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • SagasaintSagasaint Miami, FLPosts: 460Member
    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    And suuure PWE is not much better than gPotato when it comes to money.  That is why PWE offers you alternatives to buying cash shop cash and gPotato does not (wait, wouldn't that make PWE much better?)

    actually it makes them worse in my book, becaue what they'r selling is simply false hopes. their alternative is no real alternative if you think about it for about a second

    the calcs are there. I even made them, but to save you time I'll repost them here

     

    42 days of full 24k ADs per day equal 2100 Zen

    so basically, if you play monday to sunday not even missing a single day to hook with your gf, family, friends or due to illness (quite unlikely) and always manage to get to the cap of ADs per day (even more unlikely), your looking at almost one month and a half just to get 1 bag and 1 bank space, something that is absolutly free, menial and worthless in practically every other MMO on the market right now

     

    1 bag and 1 bank space is the absolute minimum you should get by endgame unless you want to exercise your patience to superhuman levels, because the game makes sure to throw you all kind of junk all the time, unID items and  dozens of different runes of varying ranks just for the simple reason of cluttering up as much space as humanly possible.


    if you factor in things like the clearly better companions, the fast mounts, the rest of bags and bank space, respecs and lets not even mention the wards to protect your enchantment effects, your easily looking at years worth of MASSIVE grind solely dedicated to circumvent the many inconveniences purposedly placed in your way. 

     

    and all that, under the false premise of getting the full 24k per day. the average casual player wont see returns much higher than 6k-8k per day, so multiple the above x3.

     

    at least gPotato is honest, it costs money but they dont throw you in an endless, pointless  hamster wheel that will drain out your endurance and sanity way before your half way to achieving your goal

  • kriminal66kriminal66 Spokane, WAPosts: 79Member Uncommon
    On the other hand google earn zen.
  • udonudon Durham, NCPosts: 1,768Member Uncommon

    Don't bother removing teir 1 and 2 enchantments just mush them with the gear.  They are not worth the AD cost.  I'm only putting tier 2 ones on gear for now because I'm replacing it so fast.  They drop like candy once you hit 30 or so.

    Gold is worthless in the game except for buying basic crafting items, skill kits and maybe potions if you spam them a lot.

    The AD earning rate sucks.  Even if you earn the cap for rough AD's a day which I have not yet done once (I have come close a few days) it would take 4 mouths of doing that every day to earn enough AD's to buy a purple companion.  Unless you are farming gear out of dungeons and selling that (those prices are going to crash btw once more people hit cap) there really is no resonable way to avoid buying AD's for ZEN (real money).

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    So don't play. End of story.

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  • ThreshThresh Waterloo, ONPosts: 52Member

     

    Some epic arguments here and there, such as "Dont play" image

     

    Or even better fanboyism from the thread linked above.

     

    "Want to repaint my house for free? You can wash my car afterwards and mow my lawn every week too while you're at it. Why don't you buy me a cup of coffee on the way over from Starbucks too and as a tip, i'll give you a bit of advice: F2P is F2P.You want to respec but can't afford zen OK, here's a little secret:


    Dont buy what you can't afford

    Have fun with that while you're painting my house" image

     

    $210 per item slot for a greater enchant is surely a great pricing strategy, and don't expect it to stay that low, once majority hits cap and starts farming epics(saturated market), AD is going to depreciate hard compared to zen.

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

     

  • najinbuunajinbuu peru, KSPosts: 4Member

    you dont unslot. its a waste of AD. you keep getting stuff anyway. only use unslot for purps

     

    also, gold is far from useless. you need potions, and gold is the only way to buy them and kits for salvaging.

     

    AD is earned by selling stuff, and by doing various things like your professions, your daiies and such. You can only earn 10k ad per day this way, but the market will always regulate itself because of the closed nature of the economy.

     

    youll always have enough AD for what you want if you keep playing the game the way it is meant to

  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member
    Originally posted by Thresh

     

    Some epic arguments here and there, such as "Dont play" image

     

    Or even better fanboyism from the thread linked above.

     

    "Want to repaint my house for free? You can wash my car afterwards and mow my lawn every week too while you're at it. Why don't you buy me a cup of coffee on the way over from Starbucks too and as a tip, i'll give you a bit of advice: F2P is F2P.You want to respec but can't afford zen OK, here's a little secret:


    Dont buy what you can't afford

    Have fun with that while you're painting my house" image

     

    $210 per item slot for a greater enchant is surely a great pricing strategy, and don't expect it to stay that low, once majority hits cap and starts farming epics(saturated market), AD is going to depreciate hard.

     

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

     

    Lol I love this response. In all honesty though. This is what the masses wanted I thought, no subscription FTW!  

    To quote a famous person.

    Only now do you understand the power of the dark side.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Aethaeryn
    Originally posted by mightyfc holy shit just reached 30 and just the costs from removing /attaching gemsso far is bringing me on my knees its like 3-4k  Ad to remove a rank 1 gem, and you can get 10k ad per day... had a r3 gem that costed me 9k!! to remove when i switched gear, 1 day for 1 gem... what ? ive already used up almost 650k ad (now take that and divide by 10k per day) on various shit   and no fuckin ad from quests yet just gold wich is of little to no use , just a few pots and shit, some worthless gear that ull find better before you can use anyhow   if you dont buy your AD that is   epic fail imminent
    I think for a casual player maybe it won't be so bad. . You seem to have leveled pretty quickly and will need to use more AD at a faster rate than someone who plays less often.   Maybe I am wrong and a casual player would get less AD.  It seems to me that they ahve limited the daily conversion so people who play very hard core might have to pay more.  


    This makes sense. The players who are going to be more driven to progress are more likely to want to buy stuff from the cash shop rather than slow their progression.

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  • Bushi13Bushi13 mokkelPosts: 123Member

    Isn't it a perfekt world :)

    Might be a good game, tho, shame isn't it.

    Diablow 3, it sucks ...

  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thresh

     

    Some epic arguments here and there, such as "Dont play" image

     

    Or even better fanboyism from the thread linked above.

     

    "Want to repaint my house for free? You can wash my car afterwards and mow my lawn every week too while you're at it. Why don't you buy me a cup of coffee on the way over from Starbucks too and as a tip, i'll give you a bit of advice: F2P is F2P.You want to respec but can't afford zen OK, here's a little secret:


    Dont buy what you can't afford

    Have fun with that while you're painting my house" image

     

    $210 per item slot for a greater enchant is surely a great pricing strategy, and don't expect it to stay that low, once majority hits cap and starts farming epics(saturated market), AD is going to depreciate hard compared to zen.

    "It's worth noting that after you fuse 4 shards into a lesser enchantment, 4 of those fuse into a regular one, and 4 regulars fuse into a greater. All told, you need 21 coalescent wards to get a greater. That's looking at $210 for enough wards for 1 enchantment."

     

     So beggers can be choosers?  I believe that many of the f2p freeloaders really don't care and just are greedy.  They want it all for nothing.  If you give them an option to work hard for something they call it unreasonable. 

  • LaromussLaromuss vancouver, BCPosts: 324Member Uncommon

    if you're not rich or made of money then removing enchants shouldn't be in the equation, which also defines my account as well, but there is an easy work around go back to the lower level zones where enchants drop galore and just farm them it doesn't take very long,  even the higher level open world zones drop a ton of runestone, enchants etc.  So far I've create four rank 7 enchants just from farming and even with the high failure rate I'm still able to override the enchants in my equipment very easily and since it doesn't cost anything to override it the AD cost really doesn't matter.

     The one thing I am enjoying about the game is that there is always an alternative way to achieve your goal.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mightyfc
    Originally posted by Grinnz

    level 30 myself, and still have over 500k AD from my GON founders pack( only spent AD to speed up crafting)....have level 2-3 gems in every item nearly....

    I don't bother unslotting gems, since they drop so often...take kits with you nearly every resource node carries runes. Don't know why you would spend AD on much of anything other than speeding stuff up oh and ID scrolls...

     

    i get what you are saying, but when using +4-+5 gems you kinda want to remove em

     

    and looking at the progression it seems r2-3 is for lvl 25ish and r4 30+, its getting expensive real fast and you got no option but to buy with real money to keep up if you wanna have a fine tuned toon

    Yes, if you want to min-max the game it will cost money.

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  • ThreshThresh Waterloo, ONPosts: 52Member

    I'm guessing you're a very low level(or very lucky) :)

     

    Soon to come:

     

  • JasonJJasonJ New Port Richey, FLPosts: 395Member

    So many people are clueless about this game. Its so GOD DAMN EASY to make AD...it hasnt even been 4 days and people are bitching they dont have it all yet.

    If you are not maxing out your 24k refined AD every day you are doing something very wrong...and yesterday, yesterday I got almost 16k AD from Foundry tips and I only released 1 part of a campaign so far. So yesterday, I got 40k AD total. I intend to make at least 1 foundry quest a week to augment AD intake...not to mention the games wonderful little design that is going to allow me to get most cash shop items for free...maybe I should write up a tutorial on how to use the fact that this is a F2P game to get AD with little effort to be used to buy cash shop items so your main has all the AD they need for non-zen use.

  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx North York, ONPosts: 2,360Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fendel84M
    AD isn't bought with real money. So it's not asking you to pay real money.

    Sigh.

     

    You buy zen, zen buys ad, explain to me how ad isnt bought with money again, please.

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  • narialnarial San Jose, CAPosts: 13Member
    Originally posted by Thresh

    I'm guessing you're a very low level(or very lucky) :)

     

    Soon to come:

     

    am i blind or did they remove the post on this from the boards, where the math was done stating 21,000 zen to make just one of these from shards which is the equivalent of 9 million ad, and you need two of them? that's 375 days of constant ad cap grinding

  • ThreshThresh Waterloo, ONPosts: 52Member
    Not sure about that but it's just for 1 lesser upgrade. Then 4 of those for next tier, 16 for next, etc.
  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane

    That's how F2P games work and why I always loathed them.

    They sucker you in with easy normal and comfortable gameplay like you used to with P2P games.

    Then after some levels you get hit with the WTF hammer and it's "Pay Up with real cash!" time.

     

    this

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member

    70K AD here and i just simply play the game and don't have to go out of my way to farm AD. I make sure i get 24K AD a day. (daily limit)

    Making AD is very easy in this game so no complaints from my side.

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  • narialnarial San Jose, CAPosts: 13Member
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    70K AD here and i just simply play the game and don't have to go out of my way to farm AD. I make sure i get 24K AD a day. (daily limit)

    Making AD is very easy in this game so no complaints from my side.

    good to know. you have 373 more days of doing that every day to have enough diamonds to get the zen to buy the stones.

     

    even if you are lucky and you get the right ward every week from the invocation mechanic, that's still 21 weeks.

  • kriminal66kriminal66 Spokane, WAPosts: 79Member Uncommon
    I love the game but it seems to be a bit like allods with currency exchange which really sucks just wish that real money would have no effect on gear but from the looks of it thats not how it is. Bought gaurdian pack and i dont see a 140$ value im level 23 and bags are becoming a pain in ass dont really feel like giving up all my AD for a fucking bag inless it is full of the green buds.
  • severiusseverius sacramento, CAPosts: 1,514Member Common
    Originally posted by mightyfc

    holy shit just reached 30 and just the costs from removing /attaching gemsso far is bringing me on my knees

    its like 3-4k  Ad to remove a rank 1 gem, and you can get 10k ad per day... had a r3 gem that costed me 9k!! to remove when i switched gear, 1 day for 1 gem... what ? ive already used up almost 650k ad (now take that and divide by 10k per day) on various shit

     

    and no fuckin ad from quests yet just gold wich is of little to no use , just a few pots and shit, some worthless gear that ull find better before you can use anyhow

     

    if you dont buy your AD that is

     

    epic fail imminent

     

    lol.  Mightyfc? Yes allow me to introduce you to humanity.  Humanity, this is mightyfc.  Mightyfc, humanity.

     

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  • bambuchabambucha BilbaoPosts: 19Member
    Originally posted by JasonJ

    So many people are clueless about this game. Its so GOD DAMN EASY to make AD...it hasnt even been 4 days and people are bitching they dont have it all yet.

    If you are not maxing out your 24k refined AD every day you are doing something very wrong...and yesterday, yesterday I got almost 16k AD from Foundry tips and I only released 1 part of a campaign so far. So yesterday, I got 40k AD total. I intend to make at least 1 foundry quest a week to augment AD intake...not to mention the games wonderful little design that is going to allow me to get most cash shop items for free...maybe I should write up a tutorial on how to use the fact that this is a F2P game to get AD with little effort to be used to buy cash shop items so your main has all the AD they need for non-zen use.

     

    so which part of 'it costs 1000 zen to use higher lvl enchants, per enchant' you dont understand? Or do you actually agree how we should just suck it up and pay $10 per enchant (now calculate how many enchants you need, someone else did it but they deleted that topic :P).

     

    its really nice that you make whooping 40k ad per day, you might be able to afford one 1k zen ward in a couple of weeks that way. 

     

    lets say 400AD = 1Z 

    40.000 AD = 40 Z = 25 days of getting 40k per day, if you dont spend any (and lets face it its not like the game is trying to force you to spend diamonds at every corner... ).

     

    and for gods sake, stop saying 'its f2p give it a break' - as you are basically saying its ok if you have to pay $10 per extra bag, $6 for respec $40 for mounts AND on top of that you have to pay to have enchant rate higher than 1%, admitelly its just $10 a pop so it wont cost more than a few houndreds of $, eh?

     And lets not forget that theres bazillion of in game items that are purchasable with AD only.

     It might be a f2p model, but its a bad one regardless. Being f2p doesnt mean they had to make mounts cost $40 does it? Might be the problem with f2p's in general, as i dont play that many f2p games other than LoL and Aion (but you cant compare either one to this thing really).

    what surprises me the most is there are people who would actually try to defend cryptic/pwe here, so im asking you, the defenders of $6 per respec, $40 mounts and $10 for enchants - why ? Why would you defend such a system, which benefits no one but PWE ? Why do you think having reasonable prices would hurt the game?

     

    and btw this cash shop pricing reminds me of some gpotato game fiasco, allods i think. was supposed to be the highest quality f2p mmo ever, or something like that... but apparently it failed miserably. 

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by narial
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    70K AD here and i just simply play the game and don't have to go out of my way to farm AD. I make sure i get 24K AD a day. (daily limit)

    Making AD is very easy in this game so no complaints from my side.

    good to know. you have 373 more days of doing that every day to have enough diamonds to get the zen to buy the stones.

     

    even if you are lucky and you get the right ward every week from the invocation mechanic, that's still 21 weeks.

    Nice exaggeration there bud. 

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