The forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
Originally posted by Raagnarz ... I can happily debate and argue with people who love the premise of the game, because they want the game to succeed as much as I do.
But do they?
That sounds like a silly question - but you will find there are people there who want their version of the game to succeed - and if they cannot have it their way they will become very bitter very fast.
It's a pretty safe bet that in two years from now at least one of the people who is currently a backer will be actively working against the project and starting threads like "Do not buy this game - here's why".
They're going to send us that survey first and the emails they get back from is the address they will use to give access to the backer forums. Which comes after the week vacation
The forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
I agree that the next two years are going to interesting to see how everything plays out. But, there is going to be a large crowd of more causal gamers interested and playing this game. Most of the old DAoC people are well into thier 30's and 40's, with full time jobs, and .families. Has on old DAoC player from day one, I am by no means a 'hardcore' gamer anymore. I am hoping that the "elitist" players dont ruin the community, and that the game will allow more causal "older" gamers to have fun playing and join into the community.
The forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
I agree that the next two years are going to interesting to see how everything plays out. But, there is going to be a large crowd of more causal gamers interested and playing this game. Most of the old DAoC people are well into thier 30's and 40's, with full time jobs, and .families. Has on old DAoC player from day one, I am by no means a 'hardcore' gamer anymore. I am hoping that the "elitist" players dont ruin the community, and that the game will allow more causal "older" gamers to have fun playing and join into the community.
I agree with this, and you have a good point about DAoC vets being older with more responsibilities and thus less playtime.
Given that MJ has stated that he wants the progression to be more horizontal than vertical, I think the game will be relatively casual-friendly - since a casual character and a hardcore character won't have the same gulf of skills and stats that they do in many other games.
I think both hardcore and casual players can co-exist in such a game, as long as player skill, not stats and gear, are the major factor in combat. That balance isn't always easy to achieve, though, so I'm interested to see how CU is going to implement it.
Originally posted by Suory Originally posted by skyexileThe forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
I agree that the next two years are going to interesting to see how everything plays out. But, there is going to be a large crowd of more causal gamers interested and playing this game. Most of the old DAoC people are well into thier 30's and 40's, with full time jobs, and .families. Has on old DAoC player from day one, I am by no means a 'hardcore' gamer anymore. I am hoping that the "elitist" players dont ruin the community, and that the game will allow more causal "older" gamers to have fun playing and join into the community.
Very true, most of my guild are typically older, hell I'm one of the youngest at 26 now. But yea theres afew people nearing 40 now...hell i think some are by now. But i dont think playtime or how old you're dictates much in the sort of game you want. its just the different mindset of the players. But i guess this game is targeted at an older audience, more just because of its relation to daoc, but with perhaps the hope that younger players will love it too.
I probably used the wrong word "elitist" though some typically are, but more "radical" would have been more appropriate. things like i believe the game should have central world servers in texas, netcode permitting. Fairer XP distribution than we typically see in games, and by fair I mean what YOU have EARNED and no AOE caps....zergs should be punished for their stupidity in clustering. stuff like that :P
hopefully there will be a way to subscribe to the forum if you didnt back the kickstarter...
since amazon didnt let me use my visa debit card to pledge my 5$ cause i wasnt in the usa. -_-
i'd seriously pay 5$ just to sub to the forums...
The PayPal options (which is open now) allow access to the backer forum as well. Though the $5 tier only allows read access to the backer forums, I believe.
Originally posted by Caledore Originally posted by SuoryOriginally posted by skyexileThe forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
I agree that the next two years are going to interesting to see how everything plays out. But, there is going to be a large crowd of more causal gamers interested and playing this game. Most of the old DAoC people are well into thier 30's and 40's, with full time jobs, and .families. Has on old DAoC player from day one, I am by no means a 'hardcore' gamer anymore. I am hoping that the "elitist" players dont ruin the community, and that the game will allow more causal "older" gamers to have fun playing and join into the community.I agree with this, and you have a good point about DAoC vets being older with more responsibilities and thus less playtime.
Given that MJ has stated that he wants the progression to be more horizontal than vertical, I think the game will be relatively casual-friendly - since a casual character and a hardcore character won't have the same gulf of skills and stats that they do in many other games.
I think both hardcore and casual players can co-exist in such a game, as long as player skill, not stats and gear, are the major factor in combat. That balance isn't always easy to achieve, though, so I'm interested to see how CU is going to implement it.
I don't think its that hard for horizontal progression. you prettymuch just make it so as you play longer you either have:
specialisation progression, making a more powerful character but in only certain areas.
or no real power gains, but more versatility through increased availability of skills and spec points or whatever to assign. eg: progression more like Planetside 1 / 2. doesn't really suit an MMORPG though.
then gear again can be a specialisation or a trade off thing, you could start with say basic plain plate armour for a warrior that gives you increased damage reduction but as you progress and level changing to gloves with less armour but a chance to proc and extra hit might work well with your firesword build or whatever that does 50 fire damage on hit.
I guess you could sorta meld both together. I think power gains or balance issues are inevitable though, but I think we can agree stuff like dodge rolling and missing based on level is going out the window.
hopefully there will be a way to subscribe to the forum if you didnt back the kickstarter...
since amazon didnt let me use my visa debit card to pledge my 5$ cause i wasnt in the usa. -_-
i'd seriously pay 5$ just to sub to the forums...
The PayPal options (which is open now) allow access to the backer forum as well. Though the $5 tier only allows read access to the backer forums, I believe.
WHAT?! oh this is just great! i feel like i was scammed. (i know i was not! but i do feel like it :P )
i wanted to post my cool suggestions and my opinion on subjects.
ill buy a higher tier if thats the case, 5$ gone to waste lol. thats like 2 cheesburgers XD
MMORPG.com is a great site it's just that the "Current Forum Activity" window has a big downside.
People can't talk about a game in it's sub forum without it landing on the front page, and invariably other posters come in shrieking about how all the fans are just viraling and spamming. In that aspect it's almost as bad as /v/.
For some reason there are posters who get really, really upset when that window gets filled with threads from one game, so the mods have to clamp down on redundant threads and guys are forced to make a post in the middle of a long thread that's easily overlooked instead of making a new topic.
Originally posted by david06 MMORPG.com is a great site it's just that the "Current Forum Activity" window has a big downside. People can't talk about a game in it's sub forum without it landing on the front page, and invariably other posters come in shrieking about how all the fans are just viraling and spamming. In that aspect it's almost as bad as /v/. For some reason there are posters who get really, really upset when that window gets filled with threads from one game, so the mods have to clamp down on redundant threads and guys are forced to make a post in the middle of a long thread that's easily overlooked instead of making a new topic.
Yea im seriously not a fan of mega threads myself, kinda makes having sub forums pointless if we're only talking in 3 theads.
MMORPG.com is a great site it's just that the "Current Forum Activity" window has a big downside.
People can't talk about a game in it's sub forum without it landing on the front page, and invariably other posters come in shrieking about how all the fans are just viraling and spamming. In that aspect it's almost as bad as /v/.
For some reason there are posters who get really, really upset when that window gets filled with threads from one game, so the mods have to clamp down on redundant threads and guys are forced to make a post in the middle of a long thread that's easily overlooked instead of making a new topic.
Easiest ways to avoid this, would be a forum filter in your profile settings, that should not be that hard to implement.
Ppl that jump in that forum just to complain about the activity, is really an annoyance. The complaints make almost half of the activity itself. In the last weeks, there was almost no real content in this forum, but only flames.
Before the KS started, these forums were small, unnoticed and very enjoyable and productive.
It should be possible to post in a forum, thats dedicated for one game, without getting troll swarmed, no matter of the activity in that forum
Actually I think you'll find the backers forums won't be a lot different than here.
In fact, as the game develops it's bound to take directions that some folks won't like.
They'll complain bitterly of course, while fanbois try to shut then down, (and this title definitely has them) and the moderators may be somewhat hampered in that how far can you really moderate someone who may have chipped in hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Sense of entitlement will be strong, feelings high and with any luck, make for interesting discussion.
Put another way, the (forum) PVP is going to be epic I think.
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hopefully there will be a way to subscribe to the forum if you didnt back the kickstarter...
since amazon didnt let me use my visa debit card to pledge my 5$ cause i wasnt in the usa. -_-
i'd seriously pay 5$ just to sub to the forums...
What's the problem with amazon? I've heard orthers having similar problems backing kickstarter projects. I'm a european yet everything worked out , 0 problems encountered.
As a contrarian at heart, i am likely going to hate the backers forums because it's more than likely i will come to view them as one part sycophant, one part crusader and one part lemming.
MMORPG.com is a great site it's just that the "Current Forum Activity" window has a big downside.
People can't talk about a game in it's sub forum without it landing on the front page, and invariably other posters come in shrieking about how all the fans are just viraling and spamming. In that aspect it's almost as bad as /v/.
For some reason there are posters who get really, really upset when that window gets filled with threads from one game, so the mods have to clamp down on redundant threads and guys are forced to make a post in the middle of a long thread that's easily overlooked instead of making a new topic.
I agree that people should simply ignore the thread spam if they don't like it, but I think you are also being unreasonable to the people that get bothered by it.
The amount of thread locks that have had to occur because of people irresponsibly posting new threads about topics that were already covered in other threads was mind blowing. I don't think I've ever seen so many threads locked or deleted in a single months time on this site since I've been reading it. Not only that, but a huge amount of threads that popped up lacked any meaningful content.
Since 4/1/2013, there have been over 500 threads created in the Camelot unchained general forums. That does not include deleted threads.
What I found disturbing more than people getting upset by the thread spam was the people that would cry out that the mods hated CU and they had an agenda against it. They claimed the mods created a culture of trolls. They blamed them for not allowing them to "attack the trolls." It got really ugly there more than a few times.
Honestly, I expect to see people like meddyck back here within 6-12 months. Which is a shame really - since the game needs people like him prepared to stand back and consider things calmly and rationally. But people like him tend to get shouted down by other posters (like the one who did a rant here yesterday in green text)
They aren't going to push me out of the backer forums. I am a hardened veteran of the VN DAOC General Forum. I can take whatever fanboi nonsense they want to throw at me. I'm going to do my best to make sure the game doesn't stray too far from its RvR roots and set the other backers straight when they start clamoring for random stuff that will make CU RvR worse. For instance they are debating in the Kickstarter comment thread about not having rezzes and forcing every player to release and run back after dying. That would be terrible and lead to the game failing months after release. If that stupid idea carries over to the backer's forum, I'll be there to shoot it down even if it other backers love it.
I don't think I will be in this forum much because there won't really be much to talk about CU here for a couple of years until CSE starts promoting the game closer to launch. Plus it just gets tiresome of having to read and respond to people here complaining that that there are too many CU posts as if there is some post quota per forum that can't be exceeded without their permission.
For instance they are debating in the Kickstarter comment thread about not having rezzes and forcing every player to release and run back after dying. That would be terrible and lead to the game failing months after release. If that stupid idea carries over to the backer's forum, I'll be there to shoot it down even if it other backers love it.
A good example of turning an idea down saying "Terrible" without actually giving any reason or further discussion to it. Not that I welcome the idea, but that is what makes forums terrible indeed.
For instance they are debating in the Kickstarter comment thread about not having rezzes and forcing every player to release and run back after dying. That would be terrible and lead to the game failing months after release. If that stupid idea carries over to the backer's forum, I'll be there to shoot it down even if it other backers love it.
A good example of turning an idea down saying "Terrible" without actually giving any reason or further discussion to it. Not that I welcome the idea, but that is what makes forums terrible indeed.
If this were a thread on the offiical forum specifically about that idea, then I would explain why it is terrible. Going into detail about it didn't seem relevant to the topic at hand.
For instance they are debating in the Kickstarter comment thread about not having rezzes and forcing every player to release and run back after dying. That would be terrible and lead to the game failing months after release. If that stupid idea carries over to the backer's forum, I'll be there to shoot it down even if it other backers love it.
A good example of turning an idea down saying "Terrible" without actually giving any reason or further discussion to it. Not that I welcome the idea, but that is what makes forums terrible indeed.
If this were a thread on the offiical forum specifically about that idea, then I would explain why it is terrible. Going into detail about it didn't seem relevant to the topic at hand.
They were discussing innovative ideas for "combat rez" in CU on the Opposition Podcast last night. The discussion was interesting, but I think it was clear that MJ was against any kind of easy return to battle after death. Death must sting and have some real penalty and so forth...
However, I think the fourms are a great place to argue and debate ideas/opinions. My only hope is that folks do not become so sanctimonious in their beliefs as to belittle others and claim that their way is the only true way. We have way too much of this in life and do not need it among gamers just trying to have fun.
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The forums certainly shall be interesting...it will be interesting to see how my typical pvp elitist views are taken in a community full of niche pvpers.
SKYeXile
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Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
But do they?
That sounds like a silly question - but you will find there are people there who want their version of the game to succeed - and if they cannot have it their way they will become very bitter very fast.
It's a pretty safe bet that in two years from now at least one of the people who is currently a backer will be actively working against the project and starting threads like "Do not buy this game - here's why".
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I agree that the next two years are going to interesting to see how everything plays out. But, there is going to be a large crowd of more causal gamers interested and playing this game. Most of the old DAoC people are well into thier 30's and 40's, with full time jobs, and .families. Has on old DAoC player from day one, I am by no means a 'hardcore' gamer anymore. I am hoping that the "elitist" players dont ruin the community, and that the game will allow more causal "older" gamers to have fun playing and join into the community.
I agree with this, and you have a good point about DAoC vets being older with more responsibilities and thus less playtime.
Given that MJ has stated that he wants the progression to be more horizontal than vertical, I think the game will be relatively casual-friendly - since a casual character and a hardcore character won't have the same gulf of skills and stats that they do in many other games.
I think both hardcore and casual players can co-exist in such a game, as long as player skill, not stats and gear, are the major factor in combat. That balance isn't always easy to achieve, though, so I'm interested to see how CU is going to implement it.
Very true, most of my guild are typically older, hell I'm one of the youngest at 26 now. But yea theres afew people nearing 40 now...hell i think some are by now. But i dont think playtime or how old you're dictates much in the sort of game you want. its just the different mindset of the players. But i guess this game is targeted at an older audience, more just because of its relation to daoc, but with perhaps the hope that younger players will love it too.
I probably used the wrong word "elitist" though some typically are, but more "radical" would have been more appropriate. things like i believe the game should have central world servers in texas, netcode permitting. Fairer XP distribution than we typically see in games, and by fair I mean what YOU have EARNED and no AOE caps....zergs should be punished for their stupidity in clustering. stuff like that :P
SKYeXile
TRF - GM - GW2, PS2, WAR, AION, Rift, WoW, WOT....etc...
Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
hopefully there will be a way to subscribe to the forum if you didnt back the kickstarter...
since amazon didnt let me use my visa debit card to pledge my 5$ cause i wasnt in the usa. -_-
i'd seriously pay 5$ just to sub to the forums...
You should contact MJ, I'm sure he can help you out. Though just FYI you can still back via PayPal: http://camelotunchained.com/en/donate/
The PayPal options (which is open now) allow access to the backer forum as well. Though the $5 tier only allows read access to the backer forums, I believe.
I agree with this, and you have a good point about DAoC vets being older with more responsibilities and thus less playtime.
Given that MJ has stated that he wants the progression to be more horizontal than vertical, I think the game will be relatively casual-friendly - since a casual character and a hardcore character won't have the same gulf of skills and stats that they do in many other games.
I think both hardcore and casual players can co-exist in such a game, as long as player skill, not stats and gear, are the major factor in combat. That balance isn't always easy to achieve, though, so I'm interested to see how CU is going to implement it.
I don't think its that hard for horizontal progression. you prettymuch just make it so as you play longer you either have:
specialisation progression, making a more powerful character but in only certain areas.
or no real power gains, but more versatility through increased availability of skills and spec points or whatever to assign. eg: progression more like Planetside 1 / 2. doesn't really suit an MMORPG though.
then gear again can be a specialisation or a trade off thing, you could start with say basic plain plate armour for a warrior that gives you increased damage reduction but as you progress and level changing to gloves with less armour but a chance to proc and extra hit might work well with your firesword build or whatever that does 50 fire damage on hit.
I guess you could sorta meld both together. I think power gains or balance issues are inevitable though, but I think we can agree stuff like dodge rolling and missing based on level is going out the window.
SKYeXile
TRF - GM - GW2, PS2, WAR, AION, Rift, WoW, WOT....etc...
Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
WHAT?! oh this is just great! i feel like i was scammed. (i know i was not! but i do feel like it :P )
i wanted to post my cool suggestions and my opinion on subjects.
ill buy a higher tier if thats the case, 5$ gone to waste lol. thats like 2 cheesburgers XD
edit: yes i used paypal after all.
Fuck it, poles were in the line, from the beggining til- hope- the end.
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MMORPG.com is a great site it's just that the "Current Forum Activity" window has a big downside.
People can't talk about a game in it's sub forum without it landing on the front page, and invariably other posters come in shrieking about how all the fans are just viraling and spamming. In that aspect it's almost as bad as /v/.
For some reason there are posters who get really, really upset when that window gets filled with threads from one game, so the mods have to clamp down on redundant threads and guys are forced to make a post in the middle of a long thread that's easily overlooked instead of making a new topic.
Yea im seriously not a fan of mega threads myself, kinda makes having sub forums pointless if we're only talking in 3 theads.
SKYeXile
TRF - GM - GW2, PS2, WAR, AION, Rift, WoW, WOT....etc...
Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
Easiest ways to avoid this, would be a forum filter in your profile settings, that should not be that hard to implement.
Ppl that jump in that forum just to complain about the activity, is really an annoyance. The complaints make almost half of the activity itself. In the last weeks, there was almost no real content in this forum, but only flames.
Before the KS started, these forums were small, unnoticed and very enjoyable and productive.
It should be possible to post in a forum, thats dedicated for one game, without getting troll swarmed, no matter of the activity in that forum
In fact, as the game develops it's bound to take directions that some folks won't like.
They'll complain bitterly of course, while fanbois try to shut then down, (and this title definitely has them) and the moderators may be somewhat hampered in that how far can you really moderate someone who may have chipped in hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Sense of entitlement will be strong, feelings high and with any luck, make for interesting discussion.
Put another way, the (forum) PVP is going to be epic I think.
And I'll be there, woot.
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What's the problem with amazon? I've heard orthers having similar problems backing kickstarter projects. I'm a european yet everything worked out , 0 problems encountered.
I agree that people should simply ignore the thread spam if they don't like it, but I think you are also being unreasonable to the people that get bothered by it.
The amount of thread locks that have had to occur because of people irresponsibly posting new threads about topics that were already covered in other threads was mind blowing. I don't think I've ever seen so many threads locked or deleted in a single months time on this site since I've been reading it. Not only that, but a huge amount of threads that popped up lacked any meaningful content.
Since 4/1/2013, there have been over 500 threads created in the Camelot unchained general forums. That does not include deleted threads.
What I found disturbing more than people getting upset by the thread spam was the people that would cry out that the mods hated CU and they had an agenda against it. They claimed the mods created a culture of trolls. They blamed them for not allowing them to "attack the trolls." It got really ugly there more than a few times.
They aren't going to push me out of the backer forums. I am a hardened veteran of the VN DAOC General Forum. I can take whatever fanboi nonsense they want to throw at me. I'm going to do my best to make sure the game doesn't stray too far from its RvR roots and set the other backers straight when they start clamoring for random stuff that will make CU RvR worse. For instance they are debating in the Kickstarter comment thread about not having rezzes and forcing every player to release and run back after dying. That would be terrible and lead to the game failing months after release. If that stupid idea carries over to the backer's forum, I'll be there to shoot it down even if it other backers love it.
I don't think I will be in this forum much because there won't really be much to talk about CU here for a couple of years until CSE starts promoting the game closer to launch. Plus it just gets tiresome of having to read and respond to people here complaining that that there are too many CU posts as if there is some post quota per forum that can't be exceeded without their permission.
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A good example of turning an idea down saying "Terrible" without actually giving any reason or further discussion to it. Not that I welcome the idea, but that is what makes forums terrible indeed.
If this were a thread on the offiical forum specifically about that idea, then I would explain why it is terrible. Going into detail about it didn't seem relevant to the topic at hand.
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They were discussing innovative ideas for "combat rez" in CU on the Opposition Podcast last night. The discussion was interesting, but I think it was clear that MJ was against any kind of easy return to battle after death. Death must sting and have some real penalty and so forth...
However, I think the fourms are a great place to argue and debate ideas/opinions. My only hope is that folks do not become so sanctimonious in their beliefs as to belittle others and claim that their way is the only true way. We have way too much of this in life and do not need it among gamers just trying to have fun.
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