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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Draemos
     

     

    Actually, as I've gotten older, I've actually began to enjoy the way games have evolved.  When i was a kid I played Gemstone III(now IV), and that shit took forever to do anything in, but I loved it.  So what changed?  I longer have 40+ hours a week to piss away.  I want to get my money's worth out of the handful of hours I do get to play, and I want to make progress that doesn't need to be measured in years.

     

    So no, I think it has very little to do with "age" and a lot more to do with how much time your willing to piss away on a game.

    Well said. And there are more games to play now, as well as other forms of entertainment. So the amount of time i am willing to spend on a single game decreases.

     

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Edmonton, ABPosts: 793Member

    I think what's gone is the possibility of a new experiences because a lot of interesting features have been left off the table. It seemed that 10 years ago MMOs were attractive because of the potential experiences and interactions one could have in a game. Right now it's more about going through the motions of what is expected using a very limited set of features.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    So, then your answer to the original question is yes. Yes we are dying out and we should just give up and stop trying. We should, as you so eloquently put it, get it through our heads.

    This is really all you needed to type, the rest is just rubbing it in that there are plenty of games for you to play and none for us to play. Better yet, pay more attention to the title, and use that information to understand the subject matter and don't even open the thread. 

    No, you should deal with the reality that is instead of wishing for a reality that doesn't exist.  Whining about wanting a flying car isn't going to get you a flying car, it's just going to waste everyone's time and make you look foolish.  The number of people who actually want an old-school game, who might actually play an old-school game, are very small.  There aren't enough people to actually make an old-school game worth making.

    So when are the old farts going to get that fact through their heads?

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  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    Really? I am a pretty old-school gamer. My first CRPG is Ultima 3, and my first MMORPG is Kingdom of Drakkar, then UO, then EQ.

    And what i want .. is happening left and right. Finally MMOs are becoming better games. So don't think all older timers want the same stuff.

    I go back farther than you do but let's face it, we don't label ourselves old-school gamers, we're just gamers.  We aren't fixated on a gaming style that's largely extinct.  We just want to have fun.

    Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
    Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    Really? I am a pretty old-school gamer. My first CRPG is Ultima 3, and my first MMORPG is Kingdom of Drakkar, then UO, then EQ.

    And what i want .. is happening left and right. Finally MMOs are becoming better games. So don't think all older timers want the same stuff.

    I go back farther than you do but let's face it, we don't label ourselves old-school gamers, we're just gamers.  We aren't fixated on a gaming style that's largely extinct.  We just want to have fun.

    and here I thought I was old! Looks like I'm just a young buck in his gaming prime! Keep your daughters locked up fella's or they'll be out chasing after some sweet eyelolled action

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • TjedTjed Baltimore, MDPosts: 162Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    So, then your answer to the original question is yes. Yes we are dying out and we should just give up and stop trying. We should, as you so eloquently put it, get it through our heads.

    This is really all you needed to type, the rest is just rubbing it in that there are plenty of games for you to play and none for us to play. Better yet, pay more attention to the title, and use that information to understand the subject matter and don't even open the thread. 

    No, you should deal with the reality that is instead of wishing for a reality that doesn't exist.  Whining about wanting a flying car isn't going to get you a flying car, it's just going to waste everyone's time and make you look foolish.  The number of people who actually want an old-school game, who might actually play an old-school game, are very small.  There aren't enough people to actually make an old-school game worth making.

    So when are the old farts going to get that fact through their heads?

    Well, right now I'm playing Neverwinter and loving the foundry. I've got two or three games that I'm looking forward to playing. your analogy is absolutely awful, as it attempts to make many people here look like they are searching for something that never existed in the first place. It's more like wanting something retro or throwback, something that mimics a style that used to be enjoyed by many. These things are very circular and it is not a certainty that a certain style of game could become popular again in the future.

    I also don't understand how a many page thread full of people agreeing with each other as well as reminiscing about how much fun they used to have is "wasting time" and "looking foolish".  There are lots of people here that seemed to enjoy themselves discussing this subject.  If you feel you have wasted your time by reading the entire thread, when you knew from the title that you would disagree, then I honestly can't say I blame you. I'm sorry you wasted your time.

  • MibletMiblet BognerPosts: 333Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    So, then your answer to the original question is yes. Yes we are dying out and we should just give up and stop trying. We should, as you so eloquently put it, get it through our heads.

    This is really all you needed to type, the rest is just rubbing it in that there are plenty of games for you to play and none for us to play. Better yet, pay more attention to the title, and use that information to understand the subject matter and don't even open the thread. 

    No, you should deal with the reality that is instead of wishing for a reality that doesn't exist.  Whining about wanting a flying car isn't going to get you a flying car, it's just going to waste everyone's time and make you look foolish.  The number of people who actually want an old-school game, who might actually play an old-school game, are very small.  There aren't enough people to actually make an old-school game worth making.

    So when are the old farts going to get that fact through their heads?

    Technically there may well be enough for such a game to be made, however it wouldn't be a AAA title and would be a niche game, I also agree many who played then probably wouldn't have time nor desire to play it.  But in theory it is a area of the market that isn't generally catered for (most old school games having since become more casual to emulate modern successes) and could very well be profitable.

    Will it be done though?  Probably not.  There are easier demographics to target.

    Is it worth admonishing people for wanting an old school game?  Nope, more choice is a good thing.  Even if that choice is not something you would enjoy.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Tjed
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     Trust me, we all know what old-school gamers want.  The fact remains though, no matter how many times it gets repeated, it's just not  going to happen.  There's a point at which people have to accept that the games they want will never get made and go do something else.

    Really? I am a pretty old-school gamer. My first CRPG is Ultima 3, and my first MMORPG is Kingdom of Drakkar, then UO, then EQ.

    And what i want .. is happening left and right. Finally MMOs are becoming better games. So don't think all older timers want the same stuff.

    I go back farther than you do but let's face it, we don't label ourselves old-school gamers, we're just gamers.  We aren't fixated on a gaming style that's largely extinct.  We just want to have fun.

    Yeh. I don't see a compelling reason to fixated on a single gaming style. There are so many ways to have fun.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by Tjed
     

    So, then your answer to the original question is yes. Yes we are dying out and we should just give up and stop trying. We should, as you so eloquently put it, get it through our heads.

    No. there is even a better solution. Change your preference and enjoy what is out there.

    It works wonders.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member


    Originally posted by Sovrath
    I don't mind quests, I just wihs they were more involved than just killing 5 of something.I would say I'm usually very zen about the whole thing. Heck, I've been having a lot of fun in Neverwinter. But honestly I would prefer one game where I can just stay and "make a home" over flitting from game to game.Honestly I just want a hard game world where I can fail or succeed on my merits and the merits of my "chums".I don't always want to succeed and I don't want to scratch my butt and get 25% of my next leve's xp for doing it.
    Well said and echoed by me :)

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torgrim

    We who enjoyed MMO that took time to play, accomplish ingame really matters, crafters had names, dungeons were hard, even get a level were a accomplish in it self, everything we did back then really matters and it really felt good.

    Now you play MMOs atleast western ones on autopilot, you don't really need a guild, you dont really need friends, everything is layed out for you to play from A to B solo, even the dungeons and raids gets on farm mode within a week it gets released.

    And the sad part for me is that the younger generation seems to enjoy this, instant gratification crowd no wonder game studios seems to make clones left and right when it sells so good............for a month.........then they return on this board and the sead game board and whine there is nothing to do at endgame and wait for the next big thing.

    Some of you might know me from GW2 forums and thinks hey you talking about yourself why on earth are you even making a thread like this when you play GW2?

    Why I play GW2 is not because it's easy or hard I play it because Anet broke the WoW mold simple as that, I can finally play a game were I'm free to do what I want, and yes I would love this game to be less solo friendly and more hardcore.

    Just wanted to say that for you guys who love to make a post history.

    So are we old farts ever going back to the old days with some modifications or are we stuck with instant gratification generation and pray for some indi company who has money to do it right?

     

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  • tussauctussauc Mound, MNPosts: 147Member
    I'd imagine there's a difference between instant gratification and not wanting to slam your face into a monster for four hours just to say you killed a virtual creature.
  • tarodintarodin canovellesPosts: 99Member Uncommon

    Expectations change with time and generations. You can see it with music. Now you can think that electronic music (skrillex and shit) are shit because you lived another kind of music.

    With games happend again, you lived another kind of games and you were younger.

    There are some "hard" games you can play at moment: vanguard, eve online...

     

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon

    How many times are we going to hear the easymode MMO apologists tell us to change our game, look for something else, you can find ‘fun’ somewhere?

    Asking us to reinvent our personality and attitudes to suit your point of view is laughable. I would not ask this of you, if you are having fun good luck to you.

    Oh and I noticed the guy with the Avatar text “Do not speak Ill of Asherons Call 2.” Back in the day we did, in droves though I was not one of them. In those days we thought another open world fully fledged MMO was just around the corner. How naïve we were.

    In the last four or five years we have not had one mainstream open world MMO released. Please correct me if I am wrong, certainly nothing springs to mind. Can we even call them MMO’s? To me these are new games as much as MMO sub-genres, that issue is a hard call.

  • UndeadlyUndeadly SouthamptonPosts: 52Member
    Originally posted by c0exist
    Originally posted by Normandy7
    MMOs are about the journey to the destination and if it takes me over a year to reach that then so be it. 

    Sounds very similar to what I posted 2 seconds after you.  Didnt realize anyone else felt like that anymore.

    My thoughts exactly.  I have played loads of MMORPG's and I am always Flabergasted at the way people want to rush to level cap.

     

  • UndeadlyUndeadly SouthamptonPosts: 52Member
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by Sovrath
    I don't mind quests, I just wihs they were more involved than just killing 5 of something.

     

    I would say I'm usually very zen about the whole thing. Heck, I've been having a lot of fun in Neverwinter. But honestly I would prefer one game where I can just stay and "make a home" over flitting from game to game.

    Honestly I just want a hard game world where I can fail or succeed on my merits and the merits of my "chums".

    I don't always want to succeed and I don't want to scratch my butt and get 25% of my next leve's xp for doing it.


    Well said and echoed by me :)

     

    The Secret World has a great Quest system that moves away from Traditional MMO Quest tropes like find 5 Bear Arses.  Especially the investigation Quests.

  • kostantiskostantis ThessalonikiPosts: 29Member

    hehe, hello old-timers

    i think the insta-grat crowd was always out there, but now they have multiplied. in our hobby it is especially apparent because the market has opened up so much.

    for an example relevant to our subject:

    I have been practicing a sport/martial art for more than 15 years... anyway, young people come and train and it is a more common occurence for a young person to think that he should be as good as most senior practitioners within a very limited amount of time. they like to get them things fast and be done with them, and usually do not stay around for too long if there are no short-term rewards/benefits. On the other hand, there are indeed some who will stay after practice, ask questions, want to compete against the best, put the extra time and enjoy the activity for what it is. i really enjoy spending my time with those people (they also make me feel important, hehe) and watch them improve, sweat and feel they have indeed accomplished something when they understand their own progress compared to those around them... We are not a competitive/pro club, we just practice because we enjoy our hobby and we have created a nice little enviroment where we all like t be in....I am now almost 35 and, hate to admit it, slower and less explosive than i used to be at 25, maybe a bit stronger, but my body is not at that peak condition i so fondly remember... also, I have a family and a job and less free time for my hobby...

    Should I demand that it changes its nature/rules so that it would accomodate my physical condition and limited time? Or should I adjust myself/my life and try to enjoy it as much as I can?

    Should I rank up all students/athletes the same way despite the time they have practiced even though one is a 25 year old student with a LOT of free time that practices every day and the other a 40 year old husband that barely manages to practice 2 times a week? Or should I just make them understand that what matters is that they enjoy themselves when they practice?

    Should I demand from the organizing commiteet hat they all get a gold medal in the "x" world amateur cahmpionships because they paid their monthly fees and deserve to experience all that this sport/martal art can offer?

    Should I offer sub-par training for free for this sport/martial art feeling that the new people who will come to train will leave anyway after 1-2 moths and just try to get money by selling them outfits and equipment?

     

    hehe, if you like our hobby, weather the storm and find a nic(h)e little harbor where they still serve that dish you so much enjoy. Maybe you can't gulp 3-4 dishes at a sitting, like you used to, but you can still enjoy it's fine taste in moderation, and more importantly, you know that everything tastes much better when the company is good.

    See you all in game.
     

  • LadywilowLadywilow orrs island, MEPosts: 5Member
    Omg stromp45 i love you, do i ever remember those damn corpse run...or somehow getting to a place you really really didn't belong..and then hollering for some bigger player to had a priest or druid to come res you...Do i ever miss those days.
  • ksternalksternal Hainesport, NJPosts: 81Member
    I know I am. One of the people who supports MMO's that force you to have a sub to play. Never been a fan of the Microtransaction MMO's and Free to Play because the quantity of game is never better in my opinion and customer service is always worse.
  • ScambugScambug TortugaPosts: 389Member
    I see the themepark (EQ/WoW) clone era coming to and end. Many big studios are working on sandbox or hybrid games atm (XLgames, SOE, CCP) and I think MMO devs have finally understood that content driven themeparks have zero lasting appeal.

    If you want people to play your game for years, you need to either be Blizzard (with their financial backing that allows them to pump out crazy amounts of content) or you need to make a game where player driven content is the main focus.

    That's what MMOs were all about in the beginning, until WoW's success came along and confused everyone.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member


    Originally posted by Undeadly

    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    Originally posted by Sovrath
    I don't mind quests, I just wihs they were more involved than just killing 5 of something.I would say I'm usually very zen about the whole thing. Heck, I've been having a lot of fun in Neverwinter. But honestly I would prefer one game where I can just stay and "make a home" over flitting from game to game.Honestly I just want a hard game world where I can fail or succeed on my merits and the merits of my "chums".I don't always want to succeed and I don't want to scratch my butt and get 25% of my next leve's xp for doing it.
    Well said and echoed by me :)
    The Secret World has a great Quest system that moves away from Traditional MMO Quest tropes like find 5 Bear Arses.  Especially the investigation Quests.
    How long does it take for a casual player to get to max level and "beat the game?" I tried TSW on their last beta weekend and while the starting quests were sometimes interesting, there is a lot more to a game than quests. Or Combat. Or crafting. Or player housing. Or setting. Or aesthetics. Or graphics. Or pay model. Or character progression. Or...

    A good game combines these features into a good mix of gameplay options, for me.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • xDracxDrac HamburgPosts: 183Member
    The journey to the "max level" is the fun part... and if it takes me a year or more then even better. I still remember playing Lineage II..... months of leveling and grind and you still only advanced and progressed very slowly. You didnt care that you werent max level, you pretty much just lived the moment regardless of level or anything. Oh god I miss these times.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Scot

    How many times are we going to hear the easymode MMO apologists tell us to change our game, look for something else, you can find ‘fun’ somewhere?

    Asking us to reinvent our personality and attitudes to suit your point of view is laughable. I would not ask this of you, if you are having fun good luck to you.

    Oh and I noticed the guy with the Avatar text “Do not speak Ill of Asherons Call 2.” Back in the day we did, in droves though I was not one of them. In those days we thought another open world fully fledged MMO was just around the corner. How naïve we were.

    In the last four or five years we have not had one mainstream open world MMO released. Please correct me if I am wrong, certainly nothing springs to mind. Can we even call them MMO’s? To me these are new games as much as MMO sub-genres, that issue is a hard call.

    You just gave the reason why you should change your game, look for something else and find "fun" somewhere else.

    Or you rather not have any fun and rant all day? Your call.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    How long does it take for a casual player to get to max level and "beat the game?" I tried TSW on their last beta weekend and while the starting quests were sometimes interesting, there is a lot more to a game than quests. Or Combat. Or crafting. Or player housing. Or setting. Or aesthetics. Or graphics. Or pay model. Or character progression. Or...

     

    A good game combines these features into a good mix of gameplay options, for me.

    Don't know. But does it matter? But probably at least a few weeks. If the quests are fun, and the game is only $15, play it for a few weeks and then "finish" the game. Sounds like a pretty good fun value to me.

  • TommiJyurroTommiJyurro Ruidoso, NMPosts: 51Member

    The problem is not instant gratification.  It is not that we old farts and our ideas fading into the shadows.  We simply remember a time that for many younger gamers never was- the time of Commodore and Atari, the time when you had to stay at home or use dimes to make phone calls(my town has 2 public telephones left, right in the center of our down-town area, like a shrine).

    We grew up in a time when we had to imagine things instead of those things being, quite literally, everywhere.  We are still amazed at the directions technology is moving, and that flows into our gaming styles.  They look at our amazement and say, "So? I grew/am growing up with that stuff.  Big whup."  And it shows in their gaming styles.  Our sense of community generally started out small and blossomed and grew with the internet, leading to MMO's.  Their sense of community is barely contained by the internet, and MMO's to many younger people are simply other iterations of their iPhones and Androids.  And both show in the respective gaming styles, as well.  We just have to get used to it.  Besides, who wants to start out a conversation with, "Well, back in my day, we hed GUILDS! GUILDS, I say, and we were part of a story.  You know what a STORY IS, do ya, sassy-pants?"

    I bet everyone in this thread who uses Skype or TS3 while gaming has used very similar lines in conversations with younger gamers.  Myself included.

    Anything new here? Hmmm... Nope. o/

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