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Trion should bite the bullet and go F2P before its too late.

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  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by syntax42

    Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.

    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.

  • ZedTheRockZedTheRock Florence, KYPosts: 172Member
    Not that I would play it but it would do well to go F2P.  My friend plays and its a ghosttown.  Cant get him to leave his raiding guild that never raids due to absenses.  He is weird like that.

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  • AkulasAkulas GoldcoastPosts: 1,619Member Uncommon

    If they did 1-50 would be free with a 15% xp penalty with 10000 gold limitation and no limit on 1-50 equipment. $5 for expansion and to remove gold limitation and 50+ armor limitation. Not really.

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  • CKPlayGameCKPlayGame Lloydminster, ABPosts: 30Member Uncommon

    no way

    they should not go f2p

    I am not subscribed currently but I activate it 25% of the year....and I dun see ghost towns.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


    And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

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  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Eir_S

    Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

     

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


     

    And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

    Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

    Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by syntax42

    Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.

    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.

    Its not an analogy, its just a simple illustration that 15 bucks a month is relatively cheap entertainment.

    As for the idea behind it, people seem to forget that ideally an MMORPG never stops development, its not like most games where there are no ongoing costs.  Bandwidth may be relatively cheap but devloper salaries are not.  WoW is the exception, which takes in far more money than it needs.  If rift was doing that well revenue wise they wouldnt have laid off 1/3rd of their staff.

     

    If you want to argue a game like DAOC should be 5 bucks a month since there is no development for it, thats fine.  But for games with sub 200k subs and still a decent sized team such as Rift the sub price is absolutely fair.

  • ReeseFlamelocksReeseFlamelocks Barstow, CAPosts: 43Member

    I think it's pretty clear that Trion has prepared to go F2P, they are just stretching it out and trying to milk as much as possible beforehand. Their wardrobe system is pretty nifty, but their selection of costumes is low. They implemented the Deep's Depot, which right now features very little. They seem on the verge of going F2P and they know people will come because as we can see, many posters here have admited they would play if it didn't cost anything.

     

    They probably want to increase the time between F2P and the SL expansion. Or they are waiting for the populations to drop to a certain threshold. 1-50 zones may be empty, but if you want to find a group you usually can. Most people are also concetrating on 50-60 because the game does not level as fast as other games at this stage. Additionally, they may be concetrating a lot of their resources on Defiance, so once they have some attention to spare for Rift it's probably going to happen pretty soon.

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  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Eir_S

    Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

     

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


     

    And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

    Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

    Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

    So i guess you are against things such as sattelite TV that do the same thing?

     

    And Guild Wars 2 has massive numbers, a luxury other games dont have.  Rift didnt make up its initial development cost in box sales.  We still dont know yet if B2P is sustaionable going forward without a heavier cash shop, the game has been out less than a year so far.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Eir_S

    Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
    Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

     

    Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


     

    And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

    Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

    Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

    So i guess you are against things such as sattelite TV that do the same thing?

     

    And Guild Wars 2 has massive numbers, a luxury other games dont have.  Rift didnt make up its initial development cost in box sales.  We still dont know yet if B2P is sustaionable going forward without a heavier cash shop, the game has been out less than a year so far.

    That's a fair point, but I'm wondering if GW2 hadn't raked in the numbers it did, how they'd have been affected.  They obviously believed in the no sub model, before they ever sold a single copy.  Do you suppose they'd have gone subscription if it didn't pan out the way most companies go F2P?  I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting to consider.

    And I think it's unlikely that Trion wouldn't go F2P if they saw the potential benefit.  Many games have gotten the burst of funds they needed from switching to this model.

  • varriusvarrius =, AKPosts: 106Member
    Thanks for listening, Trion.
  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
    Exciting news indeed.  I stand by my earlier post, and I can't wait to try out dimensions!
  • GoodAfternoonGoodAfternoon Aberdeen, NCPosts: 252Member
    Originally posted by varrius
    The servers are desolate, though.   There are microtransaction models that work and aren't Pay2Win, "GW2", "AION".

    Are you talking about Rift? Wolfsbane, Deepwood, Faeblight are all busy.

    Rift

  • GreenKnight1776GreenKnight1776 San Ramon, CAPosts: 57Member
    Rift: now F2P. Guess there are some posters in this thread that will have to do some edits :-)
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon
    I'm really happy and appreciate it.  Thanks Trion.
  • DocBrodyDocBrody EldridgePosts: 1,820Member
    Rift will never oh wait
  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Is it just me or does the only thing that buying the SL expansion get you in the f2p version the two additional soul lines?  Am I reading their faq wrong about that?  They said they have been working on the f2p conversion since before SL and wanted to get SL out first.  If that is really the case and the only benefits that someone gets having bought SL are the two soul lines then that is kind of messed up.  Maybe I missread the producers letter that, to me, implied they had the change planned out before SL launched which would mean they launched a 40$ expansion knowing it would be going f2p and then the only benefits for those that bought it are 2 souls (character classes).  Everyone will get access to all of the content from my understanding.  Again, I could be incorrect on one or more of these points and just misunderstood.
  • Punk999Punk999 Baytown, TXPosts: 875Member Uncommon
    Goodjob OP Look at what you did!

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  • Tyvolus4Tyvolus4 lincoln, NEPosts: 175Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Honestly? I'd say Trion is content with how Rift is going right now. It has to be making a good enough profit that subscription is working for them, and for me it was well worth a sub price to play. 

     "Honestly? I'd say Trion is content with how Rift is going right now"

    didn't take all that long for it to be proven how horribly wrong you were.  lol.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Is it just me or does the only thing that buying the SL expansion get you in the f2p version the two additional soul lines?  Am I reading their faq wrong about that?  They said they have been working on the f2p conversion since before SL and wanted to get SL out first.  If that is really the case and the only benefits that someone gets having bought SL are the two soul lines then that is kind of messed up.  Maybe I missread the producers letter that, to me, implied they had the change planned out before SL launched which would mean they launched a 40$ expansion knowing it would be going f2p and then the only benefits for those that bought it are 2 souls (character classes).  Everyone will get access to all of the content from my understanding.  Again, I could be incorrect on one or more of these points and just misunderstood.

    This is sort of true, but really only for existing accounts that already purchased the game.  I think many people like myself who didn't purchase SL but do have active subs have used the raptr promotion to upgrade our accounts and get an additional 30 days of game time.

    Storm Legion isn't $40 anymore either.  It's $20 in most retail outlets (Best Buy, Walmart, etc) which leads me to believe there could be even cheaper online deals out there.

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