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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    You can earn refined AD from other content and from AH sales.

    You can get a mount, which you want for fun right?, for fairly cheap. You want the best mounts in the game right now without time, effort, or money.  I don't think F2P is killing the genre.  Impatience and entitlement come to mind first.

     This has nothing to do with impatience and entitlement. But F2P pushing grinds to the extreme, to slap the cash shop in our faces.

    P2P games have also Epic Mounts that take effort to get. Especially in EverQuest 2 it used to be quite the grind. But still that grind was doable and nowhere near the grind you see in Neverwinter.

    For hardcore players who don't care about family and social life and dedicate their lives to gaming and play 10 hours a day... I guess these types of F2P games totally suits them.

    But the vast majority of players don't play that many hours a day.... and a lot of them will be put off from the game, when they play it for a while and hit the "wall of grind" sooner than later.

    So if you plan on playing the game for 6 months, buy your 50-60$ mount and you still paid less than a subscription would cost...

    I mean, most people who "don't play that many hours a day" have lives/jobs/families and hopefully money for their hobbies - right?

  • LanessarLanessar PALM HARBOR, FLPosts: 87Member

    Just as a comparison, R3 mount costs 2.8 million AD. That's for one (gold purchased) mount, R2 and R3 training, on one character.

    At the worst possible exchange rate (500:1, capped in-game), you would have to make only 2 million AD and convert it to Zen through the exchange to get an account-wide mount unlock. At the median exchange rate (200:1 as per dilithium in STO), you'd only have to earn 800,000 AD to purchase the z-store mount.

    Let's take the example of a rank 5 enchantment. To get a rank 5 enchantment in-game through the vendors = impossible - rank 4 = 150,000 AD - but let's multiply that by 4x, for the combining rate, assuming you hit the 65% success first time (4 rank 4 = 1 rank 5). For that 150,000 AD, you could easily get 10 lockbox keys and luck into the runes you wanted (or an epic rune). I've gotten scores from a single key ring. So, vendor prices are terribad.

    Seeing this, I'd say grinding AD for anything which can be bought in the store at R3 or found in a lockbox is just plain dumb. Grind AD > Zen, buy it from the store and earn it a lot faster.

     

  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    You can earn refined AD from other content and from AH sales.

    You can get a mount, which you want for fun right?, for fairly cheap. You want the best mounts in the game right now without time, effort, or money.  I don't think F2P is killing the genre.  Impatience and entitlement come to mind first.

     This has nothing to do with impatience and entitlement. But F2P pushing grinds to the extreme, to slap the cash shop in our faces.

    P2P games have also Epic Mounts that take effort to get. Especially in EverQuest 2 it used to be quite the grind. But still that grind was doable and nowhere near the grind you see in Neverwinter.

    For hardcore players who don't care about family and social life and dedicate their lives to gaming and play 10 hours a day... I guess these types of F2P games totally suits them.

    But the vast majority of players don't play that many hours a day.... and a lot of them will be put off from the game, when they play it for a while and hit the "wall of grind" sooner than later.

    So if you plan on playing the game for 6 months, buy your 50-60$ mount and you still paid less than a subscription would cost...

    I mean, most people who "don't play that many hours a day" have lives/jobs/families and hopefully money for their hobbies - right?

     You all just nitpicking on a single thing. It's not just mounts.

    EVERYTHING in this game is a huge AD sink. The higher level you get, the faster you burn through AD.

    Beyond level 30 you will start burning through AD at an alarming rate. Much faster than you can get through ingame means.

  • tropiktropik MikkeliPosts: 98Member
    You say you play MMO's to prorgress your character yet you want to make the progression null by buying everything?
  • JeleenaJeleena AlmerePosts: 123Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    You can earn refined AD from other content and from AH sales.

    You can get a mount, which you want for fun right?, for fairly cheap. You want the best mounts in the game right now without time, effort, or money.  I don't think F2P is killing the genre.  Impatience and entitlement come to mind first.

     This has nothing to do with impatience and entitlement. But F2P pushing grinds to the extreme, to slap the cash shop in our faces.

    P2P games have also Epic Mounts that take effort to get. Especially in EverQuest 2 it used to be quite the grind. But still that grind was doable and nowhere near the grind you see in Neverwinter.

    For hardcore players who don't care about family and social life and dedicate their lives to gaming and play 10 hours a day... I guess these types of F2P games totally suits them.

    But the vast majority of players don't play that many hours a day.... and a lot of them will be put off from the game, when they play it for a while and hit the "wall of grind" sooner than later.

    So if you plan on playing the game for 6 months, buy your 50-60$ mount and you still paid less than a subscription would cost...

    I mean, most people who "don't play that many hours a day" have lives/jobs/families and hopefully money for their hobbies - right?

     You all just nitpicking on a single thing. It's not just mounts.

    EVERYTHING in this game is a huge AD sink. The higher level you get, the faster you burn through AD.

    Beyond level 30 you will start burning through AD at an alarming rate. Much faster than you can get through ingame means.

    Weird, I am at lvl 34 and haven't spend a single bit of AD yet, nor do I feel the need. Maybe it will get worst, I don't know, but so far so good.

  • rygard49rygard49 Huntington Beach, CAPosts: 975Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    You can earn refined AD from other content and from AH sales.

    You can get a mount, which you want for fun right?, for fairly cheap. You want the best mounts in the game right now without time, effort, or money.  I don't think F2P is killing the genre.  Impatience and entitlement come to mind first.

    You know as well as I do that the draw, and the fun, of purchasing mounts comes from the skin of the mount, not the effect it gives my character. That's why they have taken the time to create those skins, to create desire for a certain look. Your solution here is that I should buy a different mount that doesn't take as long to get, and that that will somehow be the same as getting whatever my desired mount is.

    Let me be clear. I have no problem putting in the effort to get a mount that I want. In fact, I'd prefer to put in effort, because that makes the reward all the more desireable. But that effort needs to come in a form that's interesting, like an epic questline, or fulfilling certain achievements. Choosing between simply hanging on to an extremely bloated amount of game currency, or spending money in the cash shop is not rewarding. That kind of choice is not what should be in a game.

    Impatience can only really be argued if it took a reasonable amount of time to obtain the items, which of course will vary from person to person. But I think for most people 3 months is beyond what would be considered reasonable for such a mundane form of purchase.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    Not too long ago, the general opinion was that: "P2P is destroying the fun in this genre".

    A great many people believed that "not having to pay to play" would be more fun than anything else.

    Seems that did not end well ?

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PieRad
    Originally posted by Emeraq
    Wait... You're requesting a refund because you don't want to pay the listed prices for other items in the cash shop???  I truly hope you are declined, as you clearly state the game is fun and decently designed, so you clearly aren't unhappy with the product you received.. it's the other products that you haven't even paid for that you are pissed about... Some people amaze me.

    What a nice guy you are, to stand up for a company ripping off gamers...

     

    Round of applause for this gentleman right 'ere!

     

      Wait its a feee game, cost nothing to download and play, nothing in the cash shop is required to play and have fun. The items in the cash shop are not P2W and can be aquired by in game play.  How exactly are they ripping off gamers? As the guy said some people amaze me.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by simsalabim77
    It's a Perfect World game. Did you really think the cash shop and prices would be reasonable? 

    BINGO! Neverwinter Online is being published by an Asian company. Expect things to be obsurd. However, I don't have an issue with enormous prices. It gives me something to work towards.

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    Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
  • AderewAderew AthensPosts: 45Member Uncommon
    You can also receive Astral Diamonds from selling items via auction house.
  • rygard49rygard49 Huntington Beach, CAPosts: 975Member
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    Not too long ago, the general opinion was that: "P2P is destroying the fun in this genre".

    A great many people believed that "not having to pay to play" would be more fun than anything else.

    Seems that did not end well ?

    There's always going to be two or more camps in this regard, and we're going to believe differently. I've always been a proponent of P2P. Some people think F2P is the best, and fool themselves into thinking they won't spend more than a sub for the amount of time played. It probably works out for some, but I think for the amount of time people spend in games nowadays, they're probably getting less value than they've led themselves to believe.

    it's weird that we've come to the point of fanboying our preferred payment model for the genre, but there it is.

  • TheSkimDotNetTheSkimDotNet Pittsburgh, INPosts: 274Member

    It is sad but this is why most games are made for content locusts. No one wants to sit back and enjoy the ride, they are all concerned with being the best on the server right away. I can only play an hour a day if I am lucky, yet I can still have fun. I dont understand these grind arguments...you mean you have goals that take more then 5 minutes? thus youl come back to the game over and over again for longer periods of time to achieve these goals? and the content does not run out in 5 days because it takes time to earn stuff?

    Count me in! I can't wait to play NWO....next week when finals are done. image

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  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member

    The entitlement generation in overdrive.

    Its fun, its free, and yet some people still manage to pick fault with that.

     

    Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by JeroKane

    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    You can earn refined AD from other content and from AH sales.

    You can get a mount, which you want for fun right?, for fairly cheap. You want the best mounts in the game right now without time, effort, or money.  I don't think F2P is killing the genre.  Impatience and entitlement come to mind first.

     This has nothing to do with impatience and entitlement. But F2P pushing grinds to the extreme, to slap the cash shop in our faces.

    P2P games have also Epic Mounts that take effort to get. Especially in EverQuest 2 it used to be quite the grind. But still that grind was doable and nowhere near the grind you see in Neverwinter.

    For hardcore players who don't care about family and social life and dedicate their lives to gaming and play 10 hours a day... I guess these types of F2P games totally suits them.

    But the vast majority of players don't play that many hours a day.... and a lot of them will be put off from the game, when they play it for a while and hit the "wall of grind" sooner than later.

    So if you plan on playing the game for 6 months, buy your 50-60$ mount and you still paid less than a subscription would cost...

    I mean, most people who "don't play that many hours a day" have lives/jobs/families and hopefully money for their hobbies - right?

     You all just nitpicking on a single thing. It's not just mounts.

    EVERYTHING in this game is a huge AD sink. The higher level you get, the faster you burn through AD.

    Beyond level 30 you will start burning through AD at an alarming rate. Much faster than you can get through ingame means.

    I don't think it's nitpicking.  You're exaggerating the cost of everything.  I totally agree that some items are insanely over-priced in both AD and Zen.  However, you're using the most expensive and top tier mount in the game and extrapolating that to cover everything else.  Lesser mounts are cheaper.  Character slots are cheap.  The 24 slot inventory bags are only around $10.

    The high end items are too expensive (that's my opinion), but everything in the game is not a huge AD sink and everything isn't priced in the same way the top tier stuff is - the last two points are facts.  You can check those.

    Hopefully they will moderate the prices of the more expensive items and time sinks.  If they don't then I simply won't pay for them and I will play the game less.

    Originally posted by Lanessar

    Just as a comparison, R3 mount costs 2.8 million AD. That's for one (gold purchased) mount, R2 and R3 training, on one character.

    At the worst possible exchange rate (500:1, capped in-game), you would have to make only 2 million AD and convert it to Zen through the exchange to get an account-wide mount unlock. At the median exchange rate (200:1 as per dilithium in STO), you'd only have to earn 800,000 AD to purchase the z-store mount.

    Let's take the example of a rank 5 enchantment. To get a rank 5 enchantment in-game through the vendors = impossible - rank 4 = 150,000 AD - but let's multiply that by 4x, for the combining rate, assuming you hit the 65% success first time (4 rank 4 = 1 rank 5). For that 150,000 AD, you could easily get 10 lockbox keys and luck into the runes you wanted (or an epic rune). I've gotten scores from a single key ring. So, vendor prices are terribad.

    Seeing this, I'd say grinding AD for anything which can be bought in the store at R3 or found in a lockbox is just plain dumb. Grind AD > Zen, buy it from the store and earn it a lot faster.

    This is a good post that people should pay attention to.  It's cheaper in many cases to just spend the Zen.

  • TsumoroTsumoro EozeaPosts: 408Member Uncommon

    This appears to be a common trend these days with people get so butt hurt about cash shop related items. Sure, I would concede I would rather everything be in the game without a cash shop ever being present. However, this is a F2P MMO and they have costs and a profit to make. 

     

    They obviously want you to play the game and have fun with it, after all which game developer wouldn't want others to enjoy the work they have slaved over but they also understand that money has to be made. 

     

    As long as the items are 'not' required to progress and are nothing more than cosmetic or alternative means are in place to where the items can be earned alternatively then I am perfectly okay with it. Especially with this game which has a foundry system in place to give you new regular content. 

     

    Just out of interest, how do you earn the other form of currency? The one that you can exchange without paying any money?

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways ChittagongPosts: 999Member Uncommon
    PWE has always been a clever money sucker. they just enhanced their gameplan. they saw the number of suckers wasting cash in their shitty f2p games in western market is very high but the number of suckers who defend their shitty f2p game and pay2win cash hop are even higher. so they realized if they step up their gameplan, buy a western publisher and buy license to publish game of some well know IP(star trek, D&D) then all the suckers in the world would just jump in to waste as much as cash they can in PWE. this mediocre piece of trash being treated as holy grail just because it has "dungeons& dragons" in it's name and people are saying "respec was never in D&D, so asking money to respec is fine" to defend this trash. PWE is as usual spot on, they were the 1st ever company to publish a complete pay2win game in western market and turn it into huge success, obviously their business mind and psychological understanding of today's mmo gamers is awesome. i applaud them for this at the very least. but people who are defending them, i got nothing to say but a quote i read somewhere : "you can help a blind man see the world if he can open his mind but a man with clear eyes who closed his mind will never see the obvious truth right before his eyes".

    i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
    Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Originally posted by Tokenaru
    PWE is P2W everyone knows this.  All of thier games are highly pay to win, they make thier money overseas where they like that sort of thing.  Launching it here is just bonus for them.

    how can a game without pvp be P2W?

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by rygard49

    At 25k AD per day, it would take you 80 days capping AD to get the tier 3 mount. Almost 3 months of time, without spending any AD on ANYTHING else, for one purchase. This is what the free to play model is all about. Show you the desirable item, and then make the effort to obtain it unreasonable for an average player, which then drives that average player into the cash shop.

    Games are about fun right? Is getting a new mount necessary to game play? Nope. Is it fun? Yes. Is saving up 80 days worth of AD fun? No.

    Free to play is destroying the fun in this genre.

    Not too long ago, the general opinion was that: "P2P is destroying the fun in this genre".

    A great many people believed that "not having to pay to play" would be more fun than anything else.

    Seems that did not end well ?

    depends on game

    PS2, GW2 amongst others do it pretty fair.

  • Athena_StarfireAthena_Starfire AucklandPosts: 195Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Originally posted by Tokenaru
    PWE is P2W everyone knows this.  All of thier games are highly pay to win, they make thier money overseas where they like that sort of thing.  Launching it here is just bonus for them.

    how can a game without pvp be P2W?

    Neverwinter has PvP (Arenas and Battlegrounds)

     

  • SilaxSilax Daytona Beach, FLPosts: 250Member
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

    Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

    I swear, some people just troll to troll.

    Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

    Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

    i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

    is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

     

    Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

    Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Maplewood, NJPosts: 1,098Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Silax
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

    Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

    I swear, some people just troll to troll.

    Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

    Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

    i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

    is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

     

    Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

    Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

    Why can't more people be like you two?

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

    I agree with the OP but for different reasons then the 30-50$ Mounts in the cash shop or the 10$ bags.

    I am talking about the normal ingame stuff, where you have no choice but too use AD, like removing enchants, identifying those damn annoying green items that drop like crazy, it moves through the whole game you need a buttload of AD for companion upgrades, upgrades for mounts for crafting for pretty much everything.

    You can only earn 25k Astral Diamonds per day.

    For a Rank 3 mount you need 2 million Astral Diamonds, now do the math and tell me this ain't fucked up.

    This leaves a very bad after taste in my mouth.

    Well whatever, this game is a filler for me anyway because if i am perfectly honest, this game is the same old same old and i guess it will get boring very fast.

    I'm pretty sure you have the Astral Diamonds per day wrong, you can only convert 24k rough AD into AD. So how does that work if you can only make 25k a day, are they going to not give you the AD that you make in the AH? So if I sale a item on the AH for say 200k I'm not going to get that? Like I said you could get a T3 mount in a month if you sell on the AH and convert your rough AD and get the AD from you blessing every hour if you get any.

    Also do the dailys and make even more :).

  • darksilverdarksilver Emden, FLPosts: 44Member
    Originally posted by Silax
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

    Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

    I swear, some people just troll to troll.

    Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

    Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

    i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

    is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

     

    Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

    Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

    Au contraire, http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PWRD . ;)

    Just to be clear, of course we pay for it through fonder kits and ingame shop  but don't kidding yourself. PWE wants to make money, not because the love us but because it's the business. Have no problems to throw some $ at them but there is always a limit.....

     

     

  • rastapastorrastapastor KnurPosts: 153Member
    Originally posted by Silax
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

    Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

    I swear, some people just troll to troll.

    Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

    Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

    i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

    is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

     

    Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

    Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

     

    I'd gladly pay 20$ for mount, but not fuckin 40$ where i can buy even 2 standalone games for this price :).

    If They cut the prices a half, they would have better revenue. Ask me why? It's the same with the taxes. If the taxes are high, ppl can't afford certain stuff, so they don't buy, so there is no additional money to the national budget. Wanna example? Poland, our goverment rised VAT from 22% to 23%, they expected 1 billion more income, but guess what...IN THE LAST YEAR THERE WAS 600mln LESS MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAN THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN THE VAT WAS 22% CUZ PPL BOUGHT LESS STUFF. 

    I would like to pay, but there is a limit, if some company wants to rip me off for fuckin pixel mount that costs 40$? FUCK THEM.

     

    Yes it's all vanity items, that are not needed. Thats why i'll still play the game and buy from the IS some minor stuff, i have my monthly budget for games set to 60$ and i wont extend it. I need money for many stuff that are more important :)

  • kamiyadorikamiyadori Kanehoe, HIPosts: 14Member

    I read the OPs opening topic and Lost faith in Humanity

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    Read The Replies.It has been Restored.

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