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Poll: If ESO costs $15/month, will you play it?

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    I am going to wait a few months to see how this all plays out.  Right now I would not pre order this game, nor would I pay 15 a month for this.

     

  • Total_HuntTotal_Hunt ChichesterPosts: 65Member
    Yes. Shut up and take my money!
  • MavolenceMavolence Appleton, WIPosts: 612Member Uncommon
    Wouldnt play it for free
  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,121Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Phry
    to be honest, whether the game has a sub, or is f2p is to me completely irrelevant, the only real question is whether the game is going to be any good or not. which so far, is a much much bigger question mark.image

    Track records so far have shown that more games designed with P2P in mind have been of better quality and more successful financially than those that were designed with F2P in mind.

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  • Only if I think it's a fun enough game to warrant $15 a month. I don't think it's a ridiculous price necessarily.
  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member

    I could care less about reviews, only if I play a beta or a free trial and like it.  So I just voted show me.  I do not have high hopes for it, so if I did like it, that would be a bonus, but I will see.  I don't think I am buying anything anymore without trying it first.  MMOs have been rather disappointing for 5-6 years+ for the most part.

     

    I actually prefer p2p, then their is no feeling of them begging for my money for bag space and any other little thing that shouldn't need to be bought.  I also feel p2p can develop content better than f2p, still up in the air on b2p, but I imagine it would be in the middle.

     

     

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
     

    Red: Thats the point. There are so many quality games and if you are going to pay 15 bucks a month you most likely will stick with 1 game. You are a customer a lot of MMOs are missing out on. You played 2 games at onc when you were not being charged 15 bucks a month for 2 games. What if you could pay for when you only played? How many online games would you be playing now? Play WoW when it gets an update and back to FFX when they get new content. Jump online thur night to hang with your guild who is doing your fav raid in Linage 2. 

     

    Because in life sometimes you have to make choices?

    Such as "I could go out on Friday  to a great dinner and a great dessert place afterwards/I could go out on Saturday to a pub with friends, bowling afterwards and then end up in some late night diner, but

    I can't do both

    So you make a choice.

    I could buy a sports car/I could buy a motorcycle but I can't do both

    I recognize that game companies are faced with a dilemma where, if they make their game p2p, they risk losing some customers who have to make that very choice and don't make the choice in their favor.

    To that I say this to the game companies:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7121-Dark-Souls-and-Dark-Sales

    Make your game with a budget that forsees less players but players who would be more engaged in your game and make that game good.

    This way you can have less subscribers but they will be so involved in your product that they will want to choose it.

    To the players I say  "If you can't always get what you want, choose your poison".

    It's not a "right" to be finanacially able to play every game just like it's not a right to be able to have everything you want. You pick what you can afford and hopefully you've made the right choice.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,618Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
     

    Red: Thats the point. There are so many quality games and if you are going to pay 15 bucks a month you most likely will stick with 1 game. You are a customer a lot of MMOs are missing out on. You played 2 games at onc when you were not being charged 15 bucks a month for 2 games. What if you could pay for when you only played? How many online games would you be playing now? Play WoW when it gets an update and back to FFX when they get new content. Jump online thur night to hang with your guild who is doing your fav raid in Linage 2. 

     

    Because in life sometimes you have to make choices?

    Such as "I could go out on Friday  to a great dinner and a great dessert place afterwards/I could go out on Saturday to a pub with friends, bowling afterwards and then end up in some late night diner, but

    I can't do both

    So you make a choice.

    I could buy a sports car/I could buy a motorcycle but I can't do both

    I recognize that game companies are faced with a dilemma where, if they make their game p2p, they risk losing some customers who have to make that very choice and don't make the choice in their favor.

    To that I say this to the game companies:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7121-Dark-Souls-and-Dark-Sales

    Make your game with a budget that forsees less players but players who would be more engaged in your game and make that game good.

    This way you can have less subscribers but they will be so involved in your product that they will want to choose it.

    To the players I say  "If you can't always get what you want, choose your poison".

    It's not a "right" to be finanacially able to play every game just like it's not a right to be able to have everything you want. You pick what you can afford and hopefully you've made the right choice.

    You sound like an old-fart just like me image

    I agree with you. 

    I also want to add that even though I could afford to have monthly subs to more than a couple of them, I only ever sub to one at any given time. When I play an MMO I enjoy it much more if I can commit my play time to it. I like to get really into them and learn how to play them as best as I can.

    If I do that, I'm willing to pay a sub fee so I don't have to worry about paying for all the forced inconveniences non-sub games have. If something is rare I want it to be so for a gameplay reason not a thinly disguised cash-shop motive.

    But even though I can afford it, the sub amount also has to make sense. I'm highly skeptical of the $15 sub since most MMOs regardless of quality or population numbers seem to use it as their pay-by-the-month standard. The amount is so ubiquitous that it has no credibility from either a required maintenance nor fair-profit perspective.

    Maintenance and content development being equal (I know they are not but bare with me) a niche game with a smallish population would need to have a higher sub fee than one with 10,000,000 players. But they don't. I'm willing to make some allowances for the increased infrastructure demands of more server boxes and more server maintenance required but not to the point that results in the same sub cost for both.

    $15 a month for DF UW makes sense to me and I would pay it if I was into that game. Small dev...small population. The same amount for WOW is just greed. They could easily lower it to $5 and still make a good profit.

    It'd be nice to see ESO come in with a sub of $9.99 a month or less for 3-month or 6-month purchases. I would gladly pay that. I'd probably also pay $15 but I would roll my eyes and grumble about it.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Because in life sometimes you have to make choices?

    Such as "I could go out on Friday  to a great dinner and a great dessert place afterwards/I could go out on Saturday to a pub with friends, bowling afterwards and then end up in some late night diner, but

    I can't do both

    So you make a choice.

    I could buy a sports car/I could buy a motorcycle but I can't do both

    I recognize that game companies are faced with a dilemma where, if they make their game p2p, they risk losing some customers who have to make that very choice and don't make the choice in their favor.

    To that I say this to the game companies:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7121-Dark-Souls-and-Dark-Sales

    Make your game with a budget that forsees less players but players who would be more engaged in your game and make that game good.

    This way you can have less subscribers but they will be so involved in your product that they will want to choose it.

    To the players I say  "If you can't always get what you want, choose your poison".

    It's not a "right" to be finanacially able to play every game just like it's not a right to be able to have everything you want. You pick what you can afford and hopefully you've made the right choice.

    You sound like an old-fart just like me image

    I agree with you. 

    I also want to add that even though I could afford to have monthly subs to more than a couple of them, I only ever sub to one at any given time. When I play an MMO I enjoy it much more if I can commit my play time to it. I like to get really into them and learn how to play them as best as I can.

    If I do that, I'm willing to pay a sub fee so I don't have to worry about paying for all the forced inconveniences non-sub games have. If something is rare I want it to be so for a gameplay reason not a thinly disguised cash-shop motive.

    But even though I can afford it, the sub amount also has to make sense. I'm highly skeptical of the $15 sub since most MMOs regardless of quality or population numbers seem to use it as their pay-by-the-month standard. The amount is so ubiquitous that it has no credibility from either a required maintenance nor fair-profit perspective.

    Maintenance and content development being equal (I know they are not but bare with me) a niche game with a smallish population would need to have a higher sub fee than one with 10,000,000 players. But they don't. I'm willing to make some allowances for the increased infrastructure demands of more server boxes and more server maintenance required but not to the point that results in the same sub cost for both.

    $15 a month for DF UW makes sense to me and I would pay it if I was into that game. Small dev...small population. The same amount for WOW is just greed. They could easily lower it to $5 and still make a good profit.

    It'd be nice to see ESO come in with a sub of $9.99 a month or less for 3-month or 6-month purchases. I would gladly pay that. I'd probably also pay $15 but I would roll my eyes and grumble about it.

    I don't mind paying a sub.  I'm subbed to Tera right now.  I only ever sub to one game at a time (maybe with a little overlap), but I don't play games that are sub-only anymore.

    I play several games but I focus on one.  Right now I'm focused on leveling in Tera, but I also play STO, GW2, and a couple others.  Sometimes I just don't feel like logging into Tera and grinding mobs and quests.  It's nice to be able to log into my other games and complete some goals and enjoy a little variety.  It keeps me from getting burnt out.  I still buy some game cash and fund those games too.

  • PreparedPrepared Irvine, CAPosts: 95Member Common

    I won't be touching this game if it has a subscription.  Without a subscription, I'm going to take a very close look at it.  But a subscription will cause me even more to ignore this game.  It doesn't have any where near the features of a subscription based game MMORPG.  Do your investigation on what the developers have stated are in the game and draw your own conclusion.  Don't base anything about what you see on these forums if the information is not from the gaming company, Zenimax Studios.

     

  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Chicago, ILPosts: 423Member
    After the SWOTR debacle I think wait and see is the proper route, subs are good for the game in terms of longetivity and subs give a sense of ownership, helping to combat the hacks and punks out  there. Let's face it, if the game is FTP it's really hard to remain loyal when bad things happen. Though that being said if the company doesn't take in input or handle cheaters it's all moot. 
  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon

    I will pay $15 a month if I enjoy it. it's simple as that.

    Movie ticket for one movie is about that prize right now.

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  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon
    Only once I get a chance to play it can I decide if it's worth box + sub. Hopefully I get into beta and can see if it's fun, if it is, then I'll buy and sub. Simple. No play no pay.
  • tank017tank017 Glendale, CAPosts: 2,192Member

    If I deem an MMO worthy enough of the sub,then yes,I dont mind paying monthly.

     

    Games like STWOR,GW2,PS2,TERA......not so much.

     

    I would pay for TSW,VG, CU looks promising...to me though,ESO isnt cutting it for me.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon

    Its not about the $15 a month...

     

    Its about all those other fun games that are f2p... and when you play them all they want to do is either force you to sub, or somehow force you to spend money on other things...

     

    In the end, it doesnt matter, all those games are probably just as expensive, or ruined by the fact that f2p does not give you enough room..

     

    So basically, you should play what you want, as the cost are only minor as long as you stick to a single game at a time.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    If it's a great game, of course I will... and so will everyone else. They'd be stupid not to. The value of that $15 is based on what the game is like.. it the game is really good then that's great value.
  • ShauneepeakShauneepeak Biddeford, MEPosts: 421Member
    I'm too poor for a sub price thats what a lot of companies don't seem to get many people can not afford $15 a month I can barely afford the gas to get myself to school. I highly prefer buy to play with expansions for a premium MMO. I do not think I could ever do more than $10 a month and that would be pushing it.
  • ShauneepeakShauneepeak Biddeford, MEPosts: 421Member
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61

    I will pay $15 a month if I enjoy it. it's simple as that.

    Movie ticket for one movie is about that prize right now.

    Where on Earth do you live? It's like $7.50 here 4.50 for a matinee and then upwards of $15 for Imax 3D. I also can say I have not gone to see a movie in over a year again simply because some of us can not afford those luxuries.(Being a college student sucks)

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Maplewood, NJPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Honestly, I can't bring myself to buy subscription based games anymore.  I will certainly buy MMOs that you only need to buy the box to play (like Guild Wars 2), but I believe that i am off subscription games for life.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    Nope. But that's not a comment on ESO's quality or content. I'm just not inclined to spend a monthly fee on online games.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Shauneepeak
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61 I will pay $15 a month if I enjoy it. it's simple as that. Movie ticket for one movie is about that prize right now.
    Where on Earth do you live? It's like $7.50 here 4.50 for a matinee and then upwards of $15 for Imax 3D. I also can say I have not gone to see a movie in over a year again simply because some of us can not afford those luxuries.(Being a college student sucks)

    in the city i live in its $12 a ticket, plus if you want popcorn and a soda you are looking at $8 more.

    never mind that, how about going to the bar on Saturday night? i can spend $60 easily on food and drinks.

    in the end mmo's are entertainment, just like anything else.

    i would argue its far cheaper to spend $15 on a sub and not go out as much.

  • simon155simon155 CamberleyPosts: 22Member

    Little misleading I think - The general estimates so far seem to be around the $12 mark but we'll see.

     

    There are billions of these polls out there - you need to take a look on the forums etc. What I've seen so far though is that in most of them 70% of players actually WANT a subscription game.

     

    If those numbers actually pan out, I wouldn't expect it to EVER be free to play - or at least you guys will be waiting a good few years ;)

  • Delavega86Delavega86 adhkulPosts: 112Member

    i doubt they'll make it sub-based.

    a big portion of TES fans play single player games and not mmos.

    all of them would play a Buy-to-Play TESO, but only a few a Pay-to-Play.

     

    smart thing to do is have it B2P with a cash shop. (not selling RvR-related items of course)

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  • ClassicstarClassicstar rotjeknorPosts: 2,690Member

    Im a TES fan not TESO fan so i'll wait untill its completely free two play.

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  • MibletMiblet BognerPosts: 333Member

    It'll be subscription based and will charge the going subscription rate.  As long as the game is fun I won't mind playing it, when it ceases to be such I'll stop.

    I can understand that people want a free (or relatively free) game, but it's wishful thinking.  The budget of the game itself rules out F2P models as their return is not guaranteed to a budget this size, and though B2P could be an option with a supporting cash shop it's still unclear as to whether a game with this cost would be better served as P2P or B2P (Guild Wars concurrent user information is still nowhere to be seen, and it's sustainability still being watched by other companies).

    I understand money is tight for many people (it is for me too!), but P2P MMOs are still one of the cheapest forms of entertainment for me at the moment for the amount of enjoyment I can garner from them.  Their cost over the last 12 years has risen more slowly than any other form of entertainment (one price rise in over 12 years and most of that was a change to tax legislation for the UK).

    I also don't find pure F2P games that entertaining for more than timewasting when bored, many are very restrictive or mind numbingly grindy (far more so than games such as EQ back in their day, that were demonised for such), and I find 'freemium' to be little more than a trial, as you will sub (or pay through the nose) if you play long enough.

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