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Who Thinks This Game Is Gonna Fail? It Will Be Dead Within 5-7 Years

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,474Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Imperator101

    I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

    All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

    So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

    Alright, let me just make one thing clear. If you were to get your way, assuming that you have a powerful PC, it would probably not matter if the game had open world PvP because even though Skyrim's graphics weren't the best, they would still be too much to place onto one giant open world. Especially if you want graphical improvements.

    Basically how it works is that if you design a game to be top of the lot it will take you a longer time. By the time you are halfway through, new technologies will have been released that are much better. Best way to improve graphics are by an overhaul when those options show themselves in 3-7 years.

     

    But yes, I agree. I would like to have open world PvP. I would prefer if you were flagged for PvP upon entering another alliance's borders and unable to attack the people of that alliance unless they attack you first. Because it grants you freedom. What I wouldn't want is for people to gank some casual gamers doing innocent PvE, causing them to stop playing the game and denying TESO their income they need for future expansions.

    Pure PvEers hate the flag system. Its to easy to force someone to flag. 

    For most MMO's I'd ask "How?". In this case, you've got a fair point. Accidently hitting someone whom stands right infront of a mob could happen. Especially since the "tab-targeting" seems to be a very light one of the sorts. I stand corrected.

    Stelth and stand behind someone PvEing till AE hits you. Or make a alt in a low level area like Barrens in WoW and flag yourself and ask for buffs. While your friends outside of town kill anyone who leaves flagged. Had some friends in WoW who did that. Also if you stand on someone long enough, had people do it to me. You will get a tab mistake or a AE mistake and then you die. Some quests flag you and I have seen players camp areas like that and as I said pure PvEers hate that. Every new game system brings new ways to mess with PvP flagging and creative people find a way. Im fine with it but my wife gets flagged and she ports to town to wait it out no matter where or what we are doing. She hates PvP lol.

    I had forgotten all about that stuff. I never had that problem though, as I only played as a rogue in WoW. But that was many a years ago.

    Usually when I get too bothered by PvP I end up playing singleplayer games for awhile, but aye, excellent point. However I do believe that it adds depth to the game to be able to do stuff like that. In any case, I'll just trust that Matt Firor makes a proper MMO. DAoC still stands, even though I've never tried it, he might actually ace this one too.

    Still, seamless world with flagged open world PvP (except in Cyrodiil) would be ideal for me, atleast.

    Your not alone in that =-) Lots here wish the same. I myself still long for a real DAoC 3 faction war as its not been done right sinse DAoC.


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • rygard49rygard49 Huntington Beach, CAPosts: 975Member Common
    Originally posted by Silax

    I don't know what you people are thinking.  This game has vaporware written all over it.

    Run while you still can.

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    Can't tell if being sarcastic...

     

    Or ignorant.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Another thing with this pvp style, its more welcoming to newbies.

    Say your a mainly pveer and you think I will give pvp a little go. In a wow style 10vs10 instanced match system, you might get called a noob and stuff, or to log out and let a "real" player in.

    With the ava, the more the merrier, your not taking a spot away from a "better" player, you can just tag along with an organised group and pick up the ropes.

    I hope they add an integrated voice option similar to ps2 for this purpose, it will really help people appreciate the pvp if they join a raid ran by an organised guild.
  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Silax

    I don't know what you people are thinking.  This game has vaporware written all over it.

    Run while you still can.

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    Some of us are victim of the hype, others are trying to fill the void other MMO's left them with.

    Some are even like me, whom have been waiting for an online TES experience for the past decade. I also wish to know what happened during the second era, since it has been unwritten for quite some time.

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  • DraGzielDraGziel TiranaPosts: 64Member Uncommon
    Seriously, 5-7 years is pretty good for a mmo. I have seen many shutting down within a year...

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  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Imperator101

    I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

    All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

    So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

    Alright, let me just make one thing clear. If you were to get your way, assuming that you have a powerful PC, it would probably not matter if the game had open world PvP because even though Skyrim's graphics weren't the best, they would still be too much to place onto one giant open world. Especially if you want graphical improvements.

    Basically how it works is that if you design a game to be top of the lot it will take you a longer time. By the time you are halfway through, new technologies will have been released that are much better. Best way to improve graphics are by an overhaul when those options show themselves in 3-7 years.

     

    But yes, I agree. I would like to have open world PvP. I would prefer if you were flagged for PvP upon entering another alliance's borders and unable to attack the people of that alliance unless they attack you first. Because it grants you freedom. What I wouldn't want is for people to gank some casual gamers doing innocent PvE, causing them to stop playing the game and denying TESO their income they need for future expansions.

    Pure PvEers hate the flag system. Its to easy to force someone to flag. 

    For most MMO's I'd ask "How?". In this case, you've got a fair point. Accidently hitting someone whom stands right infront of a mob could happen. Especially since the "tab-targeting" seems to be a very light one of the sorts. I stand corrected.

    Stelth and stand behind someone PvEing till AE hits you. Or make a alt in a low level area like Barrens in WoW and flag yourself and ask for buffs. While your friends outside of town kill anyone who leaves flagged. Had some friends in WoW who did that. Also if you stand on someone long enough, had people do it to me. You will get a tab mistake or a AE mistake and then you die. Some quests flag you and I have seen players camp areas like that and as I said pure PvEers hate that. Every new game system brings new ways to mess with PvP flagging and creative people find a way. Im fine with it but my wife gets flagged and she ports to town to wait it out no matter where or what we are doing. She hates PvP lol.

    I had forgotten all about that stuff. I never had that problem though, as I only played as a rogue in WoW. But that was many a years ago.

    Usually when I get too bothered by PvP I end up playing singleplayer games for awhile, but aye, excellent point. However I do believe that it adds depth to the game to be able to do stuff like that. In any case, I'll just trust that Matt Firor makes a proper MMO. DAoC still stands, even though I've never tried it, he might actually ace this one too.

    Still, seamless world with flagged open world PvP (except in Cyrodiil) would be ideal for me, atleast.

    Your not alone in that =-) Lots here wish the same. I myself still long for a real DAoC 3 faction war as its not been done right sinse DAoC.

    We'll wait and see, no matter the case, I'll be enjoying my experience in TESO purely out of the lore and landscape alone.

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  • LordSneergLordSneerg Lorton, VAPosts: 119Member
    I love all the hate that is going on about Teso. Let the gam come out before you bash. I guess any game that does not have wow in it's title will not be successful. Instead of hating why not hope for a good mmo. 
  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon

    Fail? 5-7 years? Is that really "failing"?

     

    I think it will do just fine. TES have many many fans, and even those who don't try the game intially will eventually try it out. I really don't consider a game that last 7 years failing. 

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,474Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Imperator101

    I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

    All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

    So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

    Alright, let me just make one thing clear. If you were to get your way, assuming that you have a powerful PC, it would probably not matter if the game had open world PvP because even though Skyrim's graphics weren't the best, they would still be too much to place onto one giant open world. Especially if you want graphical improvements.

    Basically how it works is that if you design a game to be top of the lot it will take you a longer time. By the time you are halfway through, new technologies will have been released that are much better. Best way to improve graphics are by an overhaul when those options show themselves in 3-7 years.

     

    But yes, I agree. I would like to have open world PvP. I would prefer if you were flagged for PvP upon entering another alliance's borders and unable to attack the people of that alliance unless they attack you first. Because it grants you freedom. What I wouldn't want is for people to gank some casual gamers doing innocent PvE, causing them to stop playing the game and denying TESO their income they need for future expansions.

    Pure PvEers hate the flag system. Its to easy to force someone to flag. 

    For most MMO's I'd ask "How?". In this case, you've got a fair point. Accidently hitting someone whom stands right infront of a mob could happen. Especially since the "tab-targeting" seems to be a very light one of the sorts. I stand corrected.

    Stelth and stand behind someone PvEing till AE hits you. Or make a alt in a low level area like Barrens in WoW and flag yourself and ask for buffs. While your friends outside of town kill anyone who leaves flagged. Had some friends in WoW who did that. Also if you stand on someone long enough, had people do it to me. You will get a tab mistake or a AE mistake and then you die. Some quests flag you and I have seen players camp areas like that and as I said pure PvEers hate that. Every new game system brings new ways to mess with PvP flagging and creative people find a way. Im fine with it but my wife gets flagged and she ports to town to wait it out no matter where or what we are doing. She hates PvP lol.

    I had forgotten all about that stuff. I never had that problem though, as I only played as a rogue in WoW. But that was many a years ago.

    Usually when I get too bothered by PvP I end up playing singleplayer games for awhile, but aye, excellent point. However I do believe that it adds depth to the game to be able to do stuff like that. In any case, I'll just trust that Matt Firor makes a proper MMO. DAoC still stands, even though I've never tried it, he might actually ace this one too.

    Still, seamless world with flagged open world PvP (except in Cyrodiil) would be ideal for me, atleast.

    Your not alone in that =-) Lots here wish the same. I myself still long for a real DAoC 3 faction war as its not been done right sinse DAoC.

    We'll wait and see, no matter the case, I'll be enjoying my experience in TESO purely out of the lore and landscape alone.

    So far I am kinda excited about the PvE. They have lots of different kinds of PvP. Public quests, 2 and 4 man open world dungeons, Instance dungeons, lots of caves and ruins for solo play, mage guild to get rewarded for exploring, quest hubs and also quests to find in the world and if done right phased events could be a lot of fun.

     

     

    Originally posted by LordSneerg
    I love all the hate that is going on about Teso. Let the gam come out before you bash. I guess any game that does not have wow in it's title will not be successful. Instead of hating why not hope for a good mmo. 

    Look out you gona get a target on your back lol =-) But it looks as good as mine lol


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • NeherunNeherun St. MichelPosts: 278Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Well hardcore raiders are like 3% of mmo players or something.

    It's your semi casual mixed pve / pvpers that you want to aim a big budget mmo at.


    Of course you can have specialist mmos for niche audiences like eve too.

    That's the best part of all this. Eve is a fucking space MMO, but it is the only properly made sandbox of new millenia to this date, and thus it remains sucessful (You cannot call 500k subs and such long duration of existence a niche). The market segment (space mmo) is indeed niché, but come on EVE is doing better than every four out of five MMOs out there. Personally, I will never touch it. Space is something I don't care about, and I am sure I ain't the only one.

     

    Now, imagine finally properly made fantasy sandbox, (Last time I laid my hands on one was UO).

     

    Even better, screw TESO, let Interplay continue their survival based sandbox Fallout MMO.

     

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,474Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Neherun
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Well hardcore raiders are like 3% of mmo players or something.

    It's your semi casual mixed pve / pvpers that you want to aim a big budget mmo at.


    Of course you can have specialist mmos for niche audiences like eve too.

    That's the best part of all this. Eve is a fucking space MMO, but it is the only properly made sandbox of new millenia to this date, and thus it remains sucessful (You cannot call 500k subs and such long duration of existence a niche). The market segment (space mmo) is indeed niché, but come on EVE is doing better than every four out of five MMOs out there. Personally, I will never touch it. Space is something I don't care about, and I am sure I ain't the only one.

     

    Now, imagine finally properly made fantasy sandbox, (Last time I laid my hands on one was UO).

     

    Even better, screw TESO, let Interplay continue their survival based sandbox Fallout MMO.

     

    Try EQ next or Archeage. 2 Sandbox MMOs coming out that look awesome.


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • Rivenx1Rivenx1 Detroit, MIPosts: 3Member
    Months, he meant months. 5-7 months. Which from the looks of things is pretty generous.
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,618Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rivenx1
    Months, he meant months. 5-7 months. Which from the looks of things is pretty generous.

     I think he meant weeks...or was it cheesemakers? Or perhaps he meant manufacturers of any dairy products?

  • corpusccorpusc Chattanooga, TNPosts: 1,330Member
    f2p within 5 minutes..... tops.  mark my words, etc.

    The End
    ---------------------------
    i don't expect to like Darkfall, altho i may like it MORE than other MMOs. i know it is gonna have a very frustrating level of grind to it, even if its significantly less than most. waiting for a pure FAST action virtual world. dice rolling & character levels (even "skills") IN COMBAT should have never carried over from pencil & paper to a computer that can reasonably model 3D spaces and objects

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,936Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by joe2721
    5 to 7 years isn't a bad run for a mmo.

     

    I agree.  Fast-dead in today's market is 6 months.


    Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now turned Amateur Game Developer.  I don't Forum PVP.  If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident.  Realm Lords 2 on MMORPG.com
  • GolelornGolelorn Hiding From Social Media Peeping Toms, ALPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    It wil be as much as a succes as SWTOR. Its offering nothing different, is it?
  • Rivenx1Rivenx1 Detroit, MIPosts: 3Member
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Rivenx1
    Months, he meant months. 5-7 months. Which from the looks of things is pretty generous.

     I think he meant weeks...or was it cheesemakers? Or perhaps he meant manufacturers of any dairy products?

    Uh oh, the caped crusader of ESO strikes again

  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Chicago, ILPosts: 423Member
    I think 5-7 months would be a more accurate time frame to make that call.
  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,145Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Imperator101

    I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

    All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

    So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

    Because for YOU game sticks to stupid concept, all share your view?

  • SulherokSulherok Jim Thorpe, PAPosts: 18Member
    Curious how most of the poeple who i know who had a chance to play TESO at Pax East said it was alot of fun and cant wait til launch, yet poeple who didnt play it says its going to fail.... strange.
  • NeherunNeherun St. MichelPosts: 278Member
    Originally posted by daltanious
    Originally posted by Imperator101

    I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

    All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

    So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

    Because for YOU game sticks to stupid concept, all share your view?

     

    ^This.

     

    Personally, I am an FFA Open world PvP fan. I would have loved this game to be a Shadowbane, with player's own guilds, sieges and player politics. The developer's decided to take the DAoC route, and I stated "Fine." DAoC was kind of fun as well. I'm still getting a rather large chunk of playable PvP area, the area isn't void for just PvP, it includes questing, crafting nodes, and all that.

    Those who think this game's success will be limited because of 3way faction PvP or because of "SWTOR" need to think again. 

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  • NeherunNeherun St. MichelPosts: 278Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Neherun
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Well hardcore raiders are like 3% of mmo players or something.

    It's your semi casual mixed pve / pvpers that you want to aim a big budget mmo at.


    Of course you can have specialist mmos for niche audiences like eve too.

    That's the best part of all this. Eve is a fucking space MMO, but it is the only properly made sandbox of new millenia to this date, and thus it remains sucessful (You cannot call 500k subs and such long duration of existence a niche). The market segment (space mmo) is indeed niché, but come on EVE is doing better than every four out of five MMOs out there. Personally, I will never touch it. Space is something I don't care about, and I am sure I ain't the only one.

     

    Now, imagine finally properly made fantasy sandbox, (Last time I laid my hands on one was UO).

     

    Even better, screw TESO, let Interplay continue their survival based sandbox Fallout MMO.

     

    Try EQ next or Archeage. 2 Sandbox MMOs coming out that look awesome.

    I will try EQ next, but before to that, I'll be rolling TESO (unless for some unknown reason it turns out to be a massive flop, which I don't want to see). But to me Archeage isn't exactly a sandbox, not since they started restricting all the doable things in the game. Also the game removed player looting, so there's only risk in being criminal, how will that work out? Besides the pointless criminal system; The PvP will be limited to one contient as well.

    Not to mention the awful graphics, oh I just couldn't handle the art style.

     

    As for EQ Next, I am extremely reserved. I can handle PvP being restricted in a non-sand box MMO. But restricting PvP by any other means that safe zones (See EVE or Shadowbane which wasn't exactly a sandbox) will be the death of me.

    Sandbox games usually go for millions of features, out of which half of them are not to be considered fun. The game's level of entertainement is usually supbar to other MMORPG's, just because the developers focused on having shit ton of things to do, but never did they take a step back to ask themselves if the features and stuff to do were actually fun.

     

     

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    As others have said, 5-7 years is a pretty good outcome. Not many games survive that long. Will it fail? Who knows, how about we wait til it gets to launch rather than looking at a crystal ball.
  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Golelorn
    It wil be as much as a succes as SWTOR. Its offering nothing different, is it?

    Read up on TESO first.

    And SWToR "died" because it was so awfully shallow. Not only was it WoW in space but the classes were mirrored and other than the storyline the game was lacking. Other than that it was a great game in my opinion, and a beautiful one as well.

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  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,145Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Golelorn
    It wil be as much as a succes as SWTOR. Its offering nothing different, is it?

    Read up on TESO first.

    And SWToR "died" because it was so awfully shallow. Not only was it WoW in space but the classes were mirrored and other than the storyline the game was lacking. Other than that it was a great game in my opinion, and a beautiful one as well.

    Died? Strange, yesterday was stil active and playable.

    But if you mean decreased number of subs compared to starting numbers ... yes, numbers were down and this is something completely NORMAL. Swtor, last time I checked, is still 2nd most subbed game. Far behind wow but wow is fenomena per se, not even Blizzard will ever be able to reproduce.

    As for swtor, never in my life played 7 months any game, not even wow. I had so much fun, voiced questing, bug free release, .... ok, I admit I care for pvp as I care for last year's snow. Other for that ... impressive release.

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