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Been gaming and online longer then you on both counts. Does that mean my opinion is more creditable then yours? Nope so don't act like you MUST be right because you have been gaming a long time.
But you are happy to totally support everything about the game and call people that have a different opinion 'hate monger's....based on how much time playing the game?
Well some people hope to express their desire and stick around in the hopes that it might actually meet their desires for the game. Is that wrong? (remember, having a differnt opinion doesn't make someone a hater simply because you don't like the fact they have a different opinion from you!).
The discussion continues and so, funnily enough, people continue to discuss it. As for taking over every thread.....what was the point of this thread if you felt enough had already been said? Thats right, YOU are the problem too.
One has to ask, if you want games like EQ1, WOW, GW2 and DAOC....they are still out there, play them and stop whining on these boards about how people don't agree with you and so must be haters.
There is NO hate. Just you spouting the term in every thread simply because people have a different opinion then you do. As soon as you realise people can disagree with you, quite strongly, and a good discussion can take place reguardless the sooner you might realise that YOU are causing a problem because you cannot get it out of your head that someone who disagree's with you has just as valid an opinion and is not a hater by default because of that opposed view.
Well written answer. I'm not hater, I'm just afraid that this game can be yet another cash grab and ruination of a great IP. Hope it's not because I'd like to play an Elder Scrolls MMO.
What mostly baffles me is how people took things out of that leaked video that weren't at all shown or hinted at. It makes me wonder if some of them just suffer from visual hallucinations that actively shape their perception of reality into whatever their prejudices for the game are.
Like:
-Tab targeting OMG
- Quest hubs OMG
- They turned a sandbox into a themepark OMG
- No more FPS style!!??
- Crafting system gone OMG
Things that were either debunked in the video itself for any careful viewer or weren't ever shown at all.
All of that doesn't mean that I don't have concerns for the game. I have trouble seeing how the traditional combat from the TES series will hold up in group based settings (and I wonder if the game will have enough of those in the first place). The statements from the devs that you will only have six active abilities at one time also greatly worry me, games with few abilities usually have few options to grow your own style of play. I'm hoping for combos and that sort of thing.
But aside from all of that, it's important that the game be judged fairly, based on actual facts, not prejudices or small tidbits of footage that seem to feed them.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I am tired of the themepark games in general thats why I like GW2, Anet broke off from the WoW mold and dared trying something new.
ESO also tries to break off from the WoW model with some interesting mechanics and features so I am somewhat intrigued how it all will play out.
So I will try it out when it get released or sooner if I get a beta spot.
Who knows I might be a great game or it will be a poor one, only way to know for sure is to try it out.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Personally I am waiting for any news about the game as I think we have pretty much exhausted the discussion about why we like certain aspects of the game or why we do not. Whether I will play the game or not still depends on one thing though:
They either allow for an option to play, chat and group with any race (PvE only ofc)/make it so that at least witht he people on your friends list or guild you can group up without restrictions
or they keep their -imo unnecessary- restrictions on PvE and see how many people will buy/play the game regardless
An about this constant DAoC vs ES camp argument...just the last night I was having a nice talk with my friends. We talked about our great experiences within DAoC, watched some nostalgic DAoC videos and shared a lot of fond memories. Then we talked about ESO and lamented the fact that they had to bring a DAoC style mechanic with so many restrictions placed on PvE into a game world where it -imo- does not belong.
So this is kinda ironic. I am a huge DAoC fan and really want a DAoC 2. But I am not happy with what they did to ES even though it has all the DAoC features I loved.
Ah that didn't take long - my first post before I greatly shortened made a comment about 20 as a multiple of zero and the issue of infinity.
Then I shortened and simplified it - as being precise and allegorical usually doesn't score you useful points round these parts.
Foolish me for not knowing that someone would pick up on the maths and go on about it for no particular reason relevant to the thread.
Anyway!
My point was, because Nan likes to deal in absolute statements without any real knowledge, I'd take an absolute statement from someone with 20 miniutes experience over his zero every... single... time...
...ad infinitum you might say...
Furthermore, without so much as 5 seconds of in-game experience to back up a thing he ever states, he then turns that on its head and decries 20 minutes of experience as irrelevant. Entirely missing the ultimate irony of the relative validity his own position being based on as much less than 20 minutes as can possibly be.
It's a sound decision.
The guy is already being kicked to shit by ten other people, throw in some light blows to mix it up a little. Otherwise, when they're done kicking this guy they might turn around and find you (the pacifist) and they'll decide they need somebody else to kick.
At the end of the day the guy being kicked is already screwed, you don't need to be a martyr for him.
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Read between the lines Jay...
... the 'him' is the OP.
So you start a thread accusing others of not giving constructive feedback and then outright dismiss the first post, that was full of constructive feedback...
You make up a SMALL portion of the TES fanbase, proof of that is all over every single TES offical site, fan site, mod site and gaming site so his point stands.
If you take an IP, change it radically...expect to get poop thrown at you. And no, I am NOT going to get into it once again about how it was changed only to hear the exact same BS over and over again from people that are cleary fans of DaoC or people that have never played a sandbox before, nor those that dont know what sandbox is, or what themepark is. Its been done, the constructive feedback has been given over and over and outright dismissed every singe time. There is no longer a point in giving it on a site filled with DaoC fans like this one where there is a mad desperation in clinging to a 13 year old game in hope to relive the past...detailed posts will be saved for TES offical sites where Zenimax Inc has a chance to see it and keep preasuring the developers to straighten the hell up and quell the fan anger so when this game goes SWTOR and people get fired because the game isnt meeting the promised revenue from missing its target audience (the MILLIONS of TES fans, not a few that also liked DaoC), there wont be any excuses.
Anything else is a waste of time.
Wow just wow, sorry to say the math is flawed. There are 38 numbers on a roulette wheel 35:1 is what they may pay you, but in no means are they the odds of hitting the number (depending if your friendly casino has downtown or strip odds). The greater than or less than example is no way related to calculating probabilities. In fact 7=8 may be right in some universe, just not this one. It's almost like saying If you roll 2 dice you can come up with a number higher than twelve, because there are 36 combinations. I just came here to read about the game, and to see what people are thinking, and I get treated to "I'm credible, check this out." kind of treatment. Please remove the quote from Einstein, as you make him look bad.
You miss the point, so I will speak simple and direct as illustrations seem to be lost on you. The ones kicking is the small mob here on MMOrpg.com. The onee being kicked is ZeniMax and just about every game company posters here can smack around. We hate on them to no end and often with no reason. You may point to bad games over the past 5-6 years but thats about when gamers really got going on forums and every fan outlet and media release and started "feedback" to change game development. Big point of my thread is a small mob forms that acks like the biggest part of the fan base, when its not. But because they are the most visible part of that fan base they change the course of the game and often away from the over all game design and to often the gamer becomes a big part in way why the game is designed badly. We were better off when we knew nothing about the till a few weeks before launch. So the devs could create something before we bashed it to bits. Then we get to give feedback on the game as a whole when we see all the working parts worth together.
First of all, having three separate realms with endgame RvR is not DAoC. It is similar to DAoC in that way but there are huge differences. For example, entirely different classes in different realms. And narrow class definitions with very specific class skills/trees. Many skills usable on hotbars.
Second, its beyond me how you have 3 realm RvR without 3 realms???? If you dont separate the realms, the RvR loses all meaning. Its basically just freestyle PvP. Now maybe you like that - some folks do - but its very different from RvR. It forms a realm cohesion that would be largely absent in a freestyle PvP game. Balance would also be far harder to achieve if anyone could ally with anyone. Basically then you are just asking for the PvP severs on DAoC which didnt take long to degenerate into a few large guilds looking for newbs to kill. I just dont think thats a business viable model for a AAA MMORPG.
Anyway, I understand you dont like race/alliance restrictions. Fair enough. But you fail to outline another RvR model that would be viable with wide appeal. The alternative models would just alienate other players for different reasons. I am sure they didnt make this decision easily or lightly; they made it because it seemed like the best choice all things considered. I think their main goal is making the endgame fun and balanced, and frankly I think they made the right choice. You feel otherwise, fair enough, but at least be honest and look at the problems with your own proposal rather than just the problems with theirs, because all approaches have pros and cons when you think about it, and its not clear that yours is better than theirs, just the opposite in fact.
Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC
Off by one. Good call out. Truly worth trying to derail.
I guess it depends how one defines "quite a few".
yet some games never go F2p regardless of how many people are playing their game.
some of those F2P games you listed have quite a few subs compared to other games that have no F2p option.
people mention they cant go everywhere and do everything but eventually they will be able to go anywhere with the same character, which is a decent compromise.
i honestly only think it becomes an issue if the world is small.
if there areas are huge enough i don't see this as much of an issue for most.
yeah but thats not their agenda.
The agenda is remove all pvp or ghetto it off into crappy little minigames, so they can have a vanilla wow experience
read between the lines.
see i see "the restrictions on PVE"
e.g. not just being able to wander off and just find shit to do as WORLD OF WARCRAFT MECHANICS
just read the RPS and Eurogamer previews on the questing. Thats pure WOW that is nothing like DAOC or TES. Now if they had actually cloned DAOC as many people are complaining about, the questing would be much more TES like.
First a disclaimer for the sensitive: I am not writing this about you. These are just my thoughts after reading this and many other threads here over the past few months...
Some people just have to grow-up and get over themselves. There are all kinds of whiny illogical complaints in this forum that some think that because they managed to get a couple of others to support their position, that makes them true. What am I talking about?
1. ESO breaks the TES lore.
This can appear in a variety of ways: TES was not separated into 3 alliances, therefore doing it in ESO is not right... TES required targetting and abilities could miss, ESO has tab-targetting and you need to dodge to make abilities miss... TES had no classes and ESO does... etc.
Guess what. They own the IP. They are writing. They can change it. You are just the player. They have given it more thought than you have... get over yourself. You are not the developer. Zenimax Online is not the evil twin of Bethesda--they are both owned by Zenimax Media. Understand that this means that Zenimax Media owns it all.
Your choice is simple: consume / do not consume. Pick one. "Consume but..." and "do not consume but..." are just whiny pseudo-options.
2. The EVIL that is faction lock
I have always played a _____ (insert race here) and my wife always plays a ____ (insert race here) and my best friend always plays ____ (insert race here) so we can't play together if the races are separated.
Grow up. Children, specially toddlers, don't have much ability to compromise. Adults do.
Compromise is the defining characteristic of civilisation. "Rugged Individualism" is not a good thing, it's anti-social selfish behavior taken to the max. It's not admirable. It's pathological.
Is being a Khajiit, who for all practical purposes plays 100% like and Argonian so important to you that you won't play with your best friend over it? Let me say it again: grow the f--k up! Having an adult relationship with a partner, at work...anywhere requires compromise. Being a parent requires compromise.
Learn to behave and learn to play with others like a civilized, social adult.
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Hmm I was thinking rather http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Green_ink
Ironically most of the whiners over point 2 are trying to make the game into yet another bloody wow clone. And wow has faction lock too, although it serves little purpose in that game.
What they are really after is remove all pvp. but if they whine about "faction lock" it just sounds better, "faction lock" has such a nice negative sound to it when your trying to set an agenda. Straight up saying "remove all PVP" makes you sound like a selfish prick, saying "remove faction lock" makes you sound like you are making a stand for "freedom".
I really hope Zenimax don't give in on the faction lock, without faction lock RVR wont work - look at The Secret World.
Of course these faction lock people know this, its why the campaign for it. if PVP is a pile of shite they have more chance of getting a ton of endgame tiered raiding hamsterwheel content added.
QFT - IMO. But Tabula Rasa fans might be tickled since it seems that a lot of those devs are now fronting what's going into TESO. All 8 Tabula Rasa fans, that is.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I can't be certain, but it sure seems to me like this post was directed at someone.
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