1 Define "fully realized steampunk world",2 You can argue your hodge podge theory based on your own tastes but neither of us have in-game experience ergo neither of us knows how forced or natural the feel of the game is
1, a world set in the late 19th century where the technology incorporates machines that wouldn't normally be seen in the late 19th century but have the appearance of late 19th century aesthetics and work incorporating the technology that was prevalent in the late 19th century. You took that statement way too seriouslybtw. Basically I enjoy steam punk aesthetics.And I gather that you fancy yourself a steampunk afficianado therefore you are fully ready to do battle with anyone regarding the steampunk genre? well you can relax, it's not as serious as you want it to be. It was just a statment.2, a picture says a thousand words... Including the aforementioned car that doesn't look steampunk but looks like it was a race car from the '30's?So you are saying that I could show these images (including the car ) to a complete stranger and they would not only know they were from the same game but would immediatley recognize it (or any of them for that matter) as being steampunk?
You do realize that MMosite is a outfit for Ncsoft and 1/3 of these pics are either old and out of date or just outright fake, right ?
well I have no information as to what is old, out of date or outright fake. Just what I've seen from sites that have archeage pictures and articles.
However, you may feel free to either point out what is a fake (and I will certainly research them and remove them if they are incorrect) or just point me to the best archeage site that has a wide array of pictures. I feel rather confident that I'll find the same array of styles.
I do know there is a disco and I now know there is a 1930's car and people build castles and fight with swords and shields. And I believe there is a juke box.
So right there I could just let my point stand.
First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date.
For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes.
The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.
The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like. Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).
Well it's called integrity in design.
when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?
And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults. yes?
Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.
Is disco steam punk?
What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.
Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.
And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.
So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????
no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.
In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.
Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.
sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".
You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.
I'll repeat that "my tastes".
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If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.
Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.
If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.
Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.
First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date.
For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes.
The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.
and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
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This pic sorta looks like ArcheAge, but those are not archeage houses, so I don't know what game this comes from.
This pic is just an outright fake. Women do not have those outfits in ArcheAge. This may be another Korean game but it is not ArcheAge.
Thank you I've changed the images to similar images. One showing what should now be arche age houses and castle and another showing a variety of characters and their outfits.
slowly but surely...
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Originally posted by Sovrath Originally posted by Kumapon
First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbwThe playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date. Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.
and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol
But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical.
The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.
First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbwThe playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.
and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol
But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical.
The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.
Look, I'm not looking to win battles just to point out that the developers have taken very disparate influences put them in the game but not in the way that feels organic.
I'm still going to play it because I love what seems like a more open world with various guilds fighitng and the art design is quite good. Some have said it's not as sandboxy as other have hoped but I can make my own judgement on that.
what I don't like is that all the influences feel all over the place.
A good example is the gentlman's question regarding "the spaceship landing in a fantasy world". Well, that works in WoW because it feels like it's part of the same "universe" for lack of a better word.
If it looked like this...
It wouldn't.
or this for that matter...
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First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbwThe playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lolBut each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical. The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.
Look, I'm not looking to win battles just to point out that the developers have taken very disparate influences put them in the game but not in the way that feels organic.
I'm still going to play it because I love what seems like a more open world with various guilds fighitng and the art design is quite good. Some have said it's not as sandboxy as other have hoped but I can make my own judgement on that.
what I don't like is that all the influences feel all over the place.
No Worries, I am not looking to win any battles either. Just trying to help in my own little way I guess..lol
In AA, lvl 1-39 is a casual quest hub solo grind, like you will find in any themepark, it even has a few 3-5 man dungeon instances along the way. Xl games is even gonna add ranked Arena's and BG's. You can do other things but this will be your main way to lvl.
But then at lvl 40 the game slowly takes a 180 degree turn, and the it turns into a sanbox with the Rift system from Rift(0 raids and instances, it's just one big open world). Jake Songs theory was that he wanted to ease the WOW/Thempark crowed into a old school style sandbox. Don't know if it will work here in the West, but we shall see.
I don't remmeber xlgames or trion calling this game as strictly one era. If we're going by this way of thinking, let's take out the ferre race, considring cat people are not typical in a medivel setting. Or let's take out everything that isn't medievil so everyone can say it's a generic asian mmo set in medievil times.
Pretty sure they intended the world to be completely open to any style, otherwise the starting areas of each race wouldn't be so different from one another. Then again it seems like people here are dying for this game to fail in the west.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
i agree that car looks really incongruous... the least they could do is make it look like an external combustion steam car.
and i agree with the legendary Sovrath that incongruities like this are a sticking point with me.
(and i agree with many others who note that these incongruities are fairly oddly common in korean games)
(for a good idea of how to smoothly integrate a steampunk and a fantastical setting together might i suggest a trip to bastok in ff11)
that said archeage looks like it's taking a lot of great ideas in terms of a themebox hybrid rpg and implementing them with some actual success.... so i'm still all over that.
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Asian fantasy incorporates a great deal of 18th and 19th century European cultural iconography into it in the same way that European fantasy incorporates a great deal of Ottoman iconography (Alladin, Shaherazade, any of the Arabian Nights stories and so on) in it.
There are points when a foreign culture touches another culture that set off stylistic rages, and the landing of the tall ships in China and Japan were those times. The pale bearded explorers of the age of exploration with their gunpowder-fueled weapons and their uncouth manners were like ogres and magicians all at once, amazing engineers and huge louts, bringing riches and war and disruption, and occasionally something really amazing and worthwhile or even beautiful.
They also brought diseases and (oddly) opium wars and all kinds of crap. Interesting times.
So yes, what you see as "steampunk" is probably romanticized first-contact with an alien race -- westerners. It's a different point of origin than western steampunk. It's more like us looking at people at the far east as mysterious and inscrutable. They looked at their early contact with us as...odd adventurers...because that's the people who made landfall in those first ships, you know! They were a rag-tag lot.
There are traces of this theme in a number of far east games, especially ones that have western- and eastern-like humans in them.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
You're so full of it. I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture. Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.
The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like. Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).
Well it's called integrity in design.
when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?
And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults. yes?
Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.
Is disco steam punk?
What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.
Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.
And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.
So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????
no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.
In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.
Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.
sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".
You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
You're so full of it. I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture. Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.
You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.
The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like. Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).
Well it's called integrity in design.
when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?
And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults. yes?
Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.
Is disco steam punk?
What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.
Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.
And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.
Yes
Medieval castles.
And zeppelin type of airships.
And Da Vinci-style of gliders.
And steam carriages.
And advanced artillery.
And advanced naval tools and ships.
And brick-based building materials.
And focuses on colonization of "new world" by old world.
All of that puts the game world in AT LEAST late renaissance in terms of tech advancement.
A steampunk car fits right in to this.
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The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like. Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).
Well it's called integrity in design.
when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?
And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults. yes?
Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.
Is disco steam punk?
What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.
Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.
And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.
So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????
no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.
In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.
Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.
sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".
You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
You're so full of it. I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture. Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.
You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.
No, it's you projecting. How many non-asian games have this tendency to start off medieval or high fantasy and then later add steampunk at best, modern technologies at worst, creating an odd mix to their games? The point is that I see this trend much more often in Japanese / Korean games than I do in any other. That is not Xenophobia, it is an observation. Perhaps you should leave the mental diagnosis to the professionals who would not declare someone a Xenophobe from reading a single statement on a gaming board.
The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like. Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).
Well it's called integrity in design.
when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?
And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults. yes?
Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.
Is disco steam punk?
What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.
Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.
And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.
So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????
no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.
In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.
Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.
sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".
You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
You're so full of it. I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture. Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.
You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.
No, it's you projecting. How many non-asian games have this tendency to start off medieval or high fantasy and then later add steampunk at best, modern technologies at worst, creating an odd mix to their games? The point is that I see this trend much more often in Japanese / Korean games than I do in any other. That is not Xenophobia, it is an observation. Perhaps you should leave the mental diagnosis to the professionals who would not declare someone a Xenophobe from reading a single statement on a gaming board.
So World of Warcraft having space ships doesn't vex you, Warhammer 40.000 having entirely medieval societies sometimes invaded and decimated by technologically advanced (somewhat) foes does not vex you, Warhammer Fantasy with its guns, helicopters/flying machines, cannons in a otherwise perfectly fantasy setting does not vex you, Planet Explorers mixing lasers with arrows, swords with plasma guns (or something thereabouts) does not vex you, Terraria which has an eclectic mix of weapons some medieval some damn near past our level of technology does not vex you, basically a game or universe does not vex you if it is not Japanese or Korean because over there it is "more prevalent", right?
My strong advice is to stop judging cultures through the prism of your own because it's painfully obvious you're knowingly or unknowningly judging products from cultures other than your own as inferior purely based on your own cultural biases (hint: a car in a fantasy world would work, Hell even one that looks "modern" if it is done properly and explained well enough in the game universe, both these two facts neither of us know, I have not passed judgement on the game having not played it, you have just by looking at images and deciding that it being Korean/Japanese means it couldn't be that good).
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
Or you've just made an assumption based on your own prejudices and you can't really understand the point trying to be made.
When creating a world you have to established some sort of, 'rules', i.e. laws of this universe which people can respect and allows them to suspend their disbelief when entering this world. It's just programmed into humans, they need to understand the laws of something to feel comfortable existing within in, whether that's society or a made up world.
For instance you have a medievil setting, there are swords and socerey, dragons, trolls, fantasy creatures, etc. A character couldn't in that universe suddenly magic up a hydrogen bomb to defeat a dragon and drop it on he's head, unless you found a pretty good reason why that could happen and explain to your fanbase in a convincing way.
Who knows maybe AA has good or interesting reasons, why a airship/glider, racing cars from the 20's, naval tools not invented till the late 18th, and prisoners in jumpsuits from the early 20th century, appear in this setting. Or it could be that the developers thought these things looked, 'cool', and just threw them in with no rhymme or reason, which will break any immersion some people have with the game.
i agree that car looks really incongruous... the least they could do is make it look like an external combustion steam car.
And that's the point.
It's not that there are sailing ships, DaVinci style gliders, Castles (and the building of more castles by players) Juke Boxes, "modern music" and a car.
It's that each one looks very much like the era it was drawn from as opposed to making it so that all of those seem to come from the same era.
Sure, people ride horses. I live in boston and you can see around town so many old photos of people in horse drawn carriages or on horses. Streets were wider and muddier. Well, they were mud. You then look from the photos and see the same streets changed and people not riding horses they were riding in cars.
and yes, that car is seemingly drawn from some time in the 30's as opposed to looking at it and seeing something that actuall resembles anything steampunk.
Those sailing ships don't look like anything other than sailing ships from a particular era. The art design just isn't consistent.
A game can have all those things it just has to make it look like those thing organically belong in the same time period. This is an art design issue not a "historically you will see..." issue.
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First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date.
For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes.
http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw
The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.
no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.
In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.
Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.
sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".
You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.
I'll repeat that "my tastes".
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If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.
Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.
If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.
Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.
and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
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This pic sorta looks like ArcheAge, but those are not archeage houses, so I don't know what game this comes from.
This pic is just an outright fake. Women do not have those outfits in ArcheAge. This may be another Korean game but it is not ArcheAge.
Thank you I've changed the images to similar images. One showing what should now be arche age houses and castle and another showing a variety of characters and their outfits.
slowly but surely...
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Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.
and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....
I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol
But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical.
The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.
Look, I'm not looking to win battles just to point out that the developers have taken very disparate influences put them in the game but not in the way that feels organic.
I'm still going to play it because I love what seems like a more open world with various guilds fighitng and the art design is quite good. Some have said it's not as sandboxy as other have hoped but I can make my own judgement on that.
what I don't like is that all the influences feel all over the place.
A good example is the gentlman's question regarding "the spaceship landing in a fantasy world". Well, that works in WoW because it feels like it's part of the same "universe" for lack of a better word.
If it looked like this...
It wouldn't.
or this for that matter...
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No Worries, I am not looking to win any battles either. Just trying to help in my own little way I guess..lol
In AA, lvl 1-39 is a casual quest hub solo grind, like you will find in any themepark, it even has a few 3-5 man dungeon instances along the way. Xl games is even gonna add ranked Arena's and BG's. You can do other things but this will be your main way to lvl.
But then at lvl 40 the game slowly takes a 180 degree turn, and the it turns into a sanbox with the Rift system from Rift(0 raids and instances, it's just one big open world). Jake Songs theory was that he wanted to ease the WOW/Thempark crowed into a old school style sandbox. Don't know if it will work here in the West, but we shall see.
I don't remmeber xlgames or trion calling this game as strictly one era. If we're going by this way of thinking, let's take out the ferre race, considring cat people are not typical in a medivel setting. Or let's take out everything that isn't medievil so everyone can say it's a generic asian mmo set in medievil times.
Pretty sure they intended the world to be completely open to any style, otherwise the starting areas of each race wouldn't be so different from one another. Then again it seems like people here are dying for this game to fail in the west.
People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth. People today still ride horses.
The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.
Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have
i agree that car looks really incongruous... the least they could do is make it look like an external combustion steam car.
and i agree with the legendary Sovrath that incongruities like this are a sticking point with me.
(and i agree with many others who note that these incongruities are fairly oddly common in korean games)
(for a good idea of how to smoothly integrate a steampunk and a fantastical setting together might i suggest a trip to bastok in ff11)
that said archeage looks like it's taking a lot of great ideas in terms of a themebox hybrid rpg and implementing them with some actual success.... so i'm still all over that.
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Asian fantasy incorporates a great deal of 18th and 19th century European cultural iconography into it in the same way that European fantasy incorporates a great deal of Ottoman iconography (Alladin, Shaherazade, any of the Arabian Nights stories and so on) in it.
There are points when a foreign culture touches another culture that set off stylistic rages, and the landing of the tall ships in China and Japan were those times. The pale bearded explorers of the age of exploration with their gunpowder-fueled weapons and their uncouth manners were like ogres and magicians all at once, amazing engineers and huge louts, bringing riches and war and disruption, and occasionally something really amazing and worthwhile or even beautiful.
They also brought diseases and (oddly) opium wars and all kinds of crap. Interesting times.
So yes, what you see as "steampunk" is probably romanticized first-contact with an alien race -- westerners. It's a different point of origin than western steampunk. It's more like us looking at people at the far east as mysterious and inscrutable. They looked at their early contact with us as...odd adventurers...because that's the people who made landfall in those first ships, you know! They were a rag-tag lot.
There are traces of this theme in a number of far east games, especially ones that have western- and eastern-like humans in them.
You're so full of it. I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture. Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.
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You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.
Yes
Medieval castles.
And zeppelin type of airships.
And Da Vinci-style of gliders.
And steam carriages.
And advanced artillery.
And advanced naval tools and ships.
And brick-based building materials.
And focuses on colonization of "new world" by old world.
All of that puts the game world in AT LEAST late renaissance in terms of tech advancement.
A steampunk car fits right in to this.
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No, it's you projecting. How many non-asian games have this tendency to start off medieval or high fantasy and then later add steampunk at best, modern technologies at worst, creating an odd mix to their games? The point is that I see this trend much more often in Japanese / Korean games than I do in any other. That is not Xenophobia, it is an observation. Perhaps you should leave the mental diagnosis to the professionals who would not declare someone a Xenophobe from reading a single statement on a gaming board.
So World of Warcraft having space ships doesn't vex you, Warhammer 40.000 having entirely medieval societies sometimes invaded and decimated by technologically advanced (somewhat) foes does not vex you, Warhammer Fantasy with its guns, helicopters/flying machines, cannons in a otherwise perfectly fantasy setting does not vex you, Planet Explorers mixing lasers with arrows, swords with plasma guns (or something thereabouts) does not vex you, Terraria which has an eclectic mix of weapons some medieval some damn near past our level of technology does not vex you, basically a game or universe does not vex you if it is not Japanese or Korean because over there it is "more prevalent", right?
My strong advice is to stop judging cultures through the prism of your own because it's painfully obvious you're knowingly or unknowningly judging products from cultures other than your own as inferior purely based on your own cultural biases (hint: a car in a fantasy world would work, Hell even one that looks "modern" if it is done properly and explained well enough in the game universe, both these two facts neither of us know, I have not passed judgement on the game having not played it, you have just by looking at images and deciding that it being Korean/Japanese means it couldn't be that good).
Or you've just made an assumption based on your own prejudices and you can't really understand the point trying to be made.
When creating a world you have to established some sort of, 'rules', i.e. laws of this universe which people can respect and allows them to suspend their disbelief when entering this world. It's just programmed into humans, they need to understand the laws of something to feel comfortable existing within in, whether that's society or a made up world.
For instance you have a medievil setting, there are swords and socerey, dragons, trolls, fantasy creatures, etc. A character couldn't in that universe suddenly magic up a hydrogen bomb to defeat a dragon and drop it on he's head, unless you found a pretty good reason why that could happen and explain to your fanbase in a convincing way.
Who knows maybe AA has good or interesting reasons, why a airship/glider, racing cars from the 20's, naval tools not invented till the late 18th, and prisoners in jumpsuits from the early 20th century, appear in this setting. Or it could be that the developers thought these things looked, 'cool', and just threw them in with no rhymme or reason, which will break any immersion some people have with the game.
Time will tell I guess.
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And that's the point.
It's not that there are sailing ships, DaVinci style gliders, Castles (and the building of more castles by players) Juke Boxes, "modern music" and a car.
It's that each one looks very much like the era it was drawn from as opposed to making it so that all of those seem to come from the same era.
Sure, people ride horses. I live in boston and you can see around town so many old photos of people in horse drawn carriages or on horses. Streets were wider and muddier. Well, they were mud. You then look from the photos and see the same streets changed and people not riding horses they were riding in cars.
and yes, that car is seemingly drawn from some time in the 30's as opposed to looking at it and seeing something that actuall resembles anything steampunk.
Those sailing ships don't look like anything other than sailing ships from a particular era. The art design just isn't consistent.
A game can have all those things it just has to make it look like those thing organically belong in the same time period. This is an art design issue not a "historically you will see..." issue.
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