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TESO uses a modified version HeroEngine
wowclones
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First off, HeroEngine is a great engine, so this is not a flame post. I have been a long time user of HeroEngine, after watching the leaked video, I can tell you 100% that it is HeroEngine. They tried to deny using it for the final version here http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/26/the-elder-scrolls-online-using-heroengine-as-a-whiteboard/ . They never dropped it, it was just a PR move to avoid the connection with TOR and HeroEngine. From the way the terrain textures are laid on the ground to the way the grass blades (billboards) blow in the wind, it is Heroengine. Understand things like that differ from engine to engine, for it to be exact means it's using the same core. Although the water shader has been modified. Everything else is Hero. Possibly that video was made during the "Whiteboard" stage of production, but what is in the video is Hero.
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So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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What about this part:
Game director Matt Firor says that the firm isn't using the engine as you may expect, though.
"Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us –- a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development," he explains.
Also this:
“Our plan is for ESO to be a world class MMO, with the social features found in any MMO to date – so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of Hero Engine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development,” he added.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Doesn-t-Use-the-Hero-Engine-Developer-Says-272344.shtml
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
all this means is at most TESO will have its own UI not using the engine tools. haha, nothing about the gameplay, visuals or performance will be changed by this....
So what does "production engine" mean to you?
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Yeah, apparently some people have selective reading. I knew that was going to trip some people up.
And this might help some as well..
Firor went on to say that the custom engine created for The Elder Scrolls Online is meant to be versatile enough to run on any PC, Mac or laptop purchased within the last five years. This means that lower end machines will miss out on some of the graphical flourishes but it opens the game up to a broader range of players.
So why did ZeniMax Online choose to go with a custom engine?
"When you control the technical platform that you are developing on – by writing it yourself – you get to make all the decisions, and ensure that all features are developed with your game in mind," Firor continued. "This makes things tighter and more stable."
"There are no compromises with the technology that we’re using – everything in the game’s engine was written for this game, with no extraneous code, features, or tools."
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-elder-scrolls-online-is-not-using-the-hero-engine
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Then they make the real version in the proper engine (probably a very heavily modified gamebryo like skyrim)
That's pretty much how I work, bang up quick prototypes to demo / test ideas using c#. Make the real version in C++ (striping out stuff like dynamic polymorphism and substituting templates / functional techniques) using our in house compiler. Because my stuff needs to be blisteringly fast.
no, not prototype in hero engine at all, just means they used the hero engine to mess around with, there is no intention of using the hero engine for anything else. Which tbh, is probably to be expected, the only game to use the hero engine, if a heavily modified one, suffered throughout development for it, and still does even after release, even the repopulation which is still in development stage, and which isnt really at a state yet that you can really call it an alpha.. maybe they would have been better off doing the same as Zenimax, and just using hero for creative purposes while their own game engine was being developed, although its not too late for them to do that even now i guess, perhaps they will do so.
Sorry ,edited my post, likely what they will do is use the backend server tech of HeroEngine and put in a new graphical frontend, that is the "production engine" being prepared. At that point it will not be HeroEngine anymore. 38 studios used Bigworld and Unreal for Project Copernicus. Used graphics from Unreal, backend server tech from Bigworld coded the two together. At that point it is no longer Bigworld or Unreal. Same thing TESO is probably doing. They can then say "it's not HeroEngine", as they did in the article.
If were are to presume that the leaked video was recent - ie in the last 2 weeks is it possible for them to do what you are describing within 6 months.. I think I can guess the answer.
Yeah it is very possible, it's like having two different builds, you got one group of people working on all the mechanics and implementing game code and a group working on the modified engine. All they would have to do is merge the code into the production engine and call it TESOSuperHeroEngine.
That's what a prototype is.
Messing around to try stuff out.
Texture resolution is limited by how much video memory you're willing to require, game installation size (on your hard drive), and how many different textures you need to have loaded at once. None of those is meaningfully impacted by your choice of a game engine unless you find creative ways to be really inefficient. They are heavily impacted by how dense your game world is with things you need to draw, the maximum distance at which you want to have things loaded so that you can draw them, and how much you're willing to reuse the same texture.
I don't know what the terms of their Hero Engine license are, but if you're using the same programming language, there's no technical reason (as opposed to copyright reasons) why you couldn't selectively pick out small pieces (10 lines of code here, 20 lines there) of the Hero Engine that do exactly what you want and cut and paste them into your own engine, possibly changing some variable names or such to fit the rest of your engine.
Sounds more like a proof of concept and design testing placeholder while they make the real engine.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
What a mess of wrong you have conjured together, there are so many ways to disprove your tin foil drama post its just funny.
Sorry if my all my years in software was confusing you. Explaining it to the idiots.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
According to Bioware - main reason SWTOR failed is HeroEngine.
It is a blight on the industry.
Ea are involved
What was the last decent ea game? first dragon age I reckon.
What was the last great ea game, a contender for game of the year? Probably going back as far back as sim city 3000.