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  • observerobserver Houston, TXPosts: 3,009Member Uncommon
    I wasn't surprised at all.  I've played Oblivion only, from the Elder Scrolls series, and i knew what to expect, from the art-style to the combat.  This is what Elder Scrolls feels and looks like.  The only thing that disappointed me from that video, was the voice-overs; some of them didn't match up with the dialogue and npc's talking.  I'm not really concerned about the UI either, since that will be able to be modified with 3rd party mods.
  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by observer
    I wasn't surprised at all.  I've played Oblivion only, from the Elder Scrolls series, and i knew what to expect, from the art-style to the combat.  This is what Elder Scrolls feels and looks like.  The only thing that disappointed me from that video, was the voice-overs; some of them didn't match up with the dialogue and npc's talking.  I'm not really concerned about the UI either, since that will be able to be modified with 3rd party mods.

    The voices should definitely improve.  GW2's VO work was one of the last things to be changed, and as far as I know (and someone else mentioned), some of those NPC's aren't voiced by "people", they're using placeholder Microsoft Sam-type programs.  The VO work in the ES games was never my favorite, but it was definitely good.  I expect the same quality from ESO, if nothing else.

  • Kuro1nKuro1n GothenburgPosts: 771Member
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!
  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!

    I find it more of a reason to "hate" on you because you're acting like predicting that people will jump on the next hype train is some kind of superpower, when I see it more as an inevitability.  Seriously, whatever your feelings about a game, everyone knows this already.

    PS: Because you said a game was bland doesn't mean it was.  I know, I know.  Shocking how reality works.

  • Kuro1nKuro1n GothenburgPosts: 771Member
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!

    I find it more of a reason to "hate" on you because you're acting like predicting that people will jump on the next hype train is some kind of superpower, when I see it more as an inevitability.  Seriously, whatever your feelings about a game, everyone knows this already.

    PS: Because you said a game was bland doesn't mean it was.  I know, I know.  Shocking how reality works.

    Truth is people fall for the same crap that should be obvious by now one could think, it is sad and probably why the industry isn't changing. If people didn't pump money into bad games, clones, pushed productions we would most likely have a healthier market now. Can't say this game is going to be bad yet I guess, it's still too early but it's not a game I am going to play judging from what I've read and seen. GW2 was fun a while but got old fast with no interesting PVP going on and no good updates.

    PS. Not gonna bite on your attempt to get me banned. ;)

  • observerobserver Houston, TXPosts: 3,009Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!

    I find it more of a reason to "hate" on you because you're acting like predicting that people will jump on the next hype train is some kind of superpower, when I see it more as an inevitability.  Seriously, whatever your feelings about a game, everyone knows this already.

    PS: Because you said a game was bland doesn't mean it was.  I know, I know.  Shocking how reality works.

    Truth is people fall for the same crap that should be obvious by now one could think, it is sad and probably why the industry isn't changing. If people didn't pump money into bad games, clones, pushed productions we would most likely have a healthier market now. Can't say this game is going to be bad yet I guess, it's still too early but it's not a game I am going to play judging from what I've read and seen. GW2 was fun a while but got old fast with no interesting PVP going on and no good updates.

    PS. Not gonna bite on your attempt to get me banned. ;)

    What you think is crap, is what others enjoy.  You need to recognize that others like things you do not.

  • jdlamson75jdlamson75 Jacksonville, FLPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by aleos

    it was kinda like going on a bilnd date.. Built up tension and eagerness only to get there and be like.. "This bitch is ugly." Even worse when you sit down shes totally uninteresting and has no personality...

     

    But you do it anyway..

    beacuse you're bored...

     

    This genre blows.

    Well, my friend, both situations can be remedied with copious amounts of alcohol...race you to the liquor store!

  • Kuro1nKuro1n GothenburgPosts: 771Member
    Originally posted by observer
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!

    I find it more of a reason to "hate" on you because you're acting like predicting that people will jump on the next hype train is some kind of superpower, when I see it more as an inevitability.  Seriously, whatever your feelings about a game, everyone knows this already.

    PS: Because you said a game was bland doesn't mean it was.  I know, I know.  Shocking how reality works.

    Truth is people fall for the same crap that should be obvious by now one could think, it is sad and probably why the industry isn't changing. If people didn't pump money into bad games, clones, pushed productions we would most likely have a healthier market now. Can't say this game is going to be bad yet I guess, it's still too early but it's not a game I am going to play judging from what I've read and seen. GW2 was fun a while but got old fast with no interesting PVP going on and no good updates.

    PS. Not gonna bite on your attempt to get me banned. ;)

    What you think is crap, is what others enjoy.  You need to recognize that others like things you do not.

    Well if the majority of people are tricked into something is great and awesome then let down by the product it is not a good product, just good marketing. As a gamedev I constantly have to recognize what others enjoy that I might not especially since my enjoyment is pretty niche (apparantly), for example I really dislike WoW but I recognize it as a good product since it holds a lot of peopls interest although I would never try to make a contentheavy game like that. ^^

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    Sounds are very often fixed last by freelancers and such, bet that is the thing here. Yet I find it funny how I said this will be just another bland MMO, people bashed and hated on me just like when I said the same about GW2 and in just a short while they all go hyping the next game like it was the second coming of jesus or some shit. Hypetrain CHOO CHOO!

    I find it more of a reason to "hate" on you because you're acting like predicting that people will jump on the next hype train is some kind of superpower, when I see it more as an inevitability.  Seriously, whatever your feelings about a game, everyone knows this already.

    PS: Because you said a game was bland doesn't mean it was.  I know, I know.  Shocking how reality works.

    Truth is people fall for the same crap that should be obvious by now one could think, it is sad and probably why the industry isn't changing. If people didn't pump money into bad games, clones, pushed productions we would most likely have a healthier market now. Can't say this game is going to be bad yet I guess, it's still too early but it's not a game I am going to play judging from what I've read and seen. GW2 was fun a while but got old fast with no interesting PVP going on and no good updates.

    PS. Not gonna bite on your attempt to get me banned. ;)

    I'm not trying to get anyone banned, maybe my response was a bit aggressive itself, I just think it sounded kind of arrogant to suggest you were right about something that ultimately falls under "opinion". 

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member

    I thought it looked like Oblivion, was quite happy with it considering it's early stage with none of the eye candy. The animations and combat could use some love. Then again, we don't know if they are going to add some eye candy. Let's wait and see.

    Overall i would say 6/10 so far.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • CrazyhorsekCrazyhorsek LisboaPosts: 244Member Uncommon

    Game is looking very nice... although I'm not going to play a caster. And not that faction.

    Really really LOVED the argonians... wow! Nice job.

    They're really doing a good job making it as close to TES as possible.

     

    Haters gonna hate... oh well... 

    Good job zenimax... too bad theres no beta invite on my email tho...

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  • fledurfledur Fort Lauderdale, FLPosts: 77Member

    Actually I had and still have pretty low expectations for this game...I dont know why

    After watching the video, the only thing that got me worried was the combat..because even if you take out the obvious work in progress stuff (de-sync, "ranged melee hits", etc) and the "bad player factor", it seemed really light on enemy action feedback, "floaty" and bland. Combat felt really boring.....and considering my numerous past experiences with videogame betas, things like combat WILL NOT CHANGE from now to the release of the game. Animations too are very unlikely to improve. This is sad because combat is a crucial part of a game like this one...and will most likely mean the game's failure to achieve a stable playerbase. It happened to the Secret World (combat is the Achilles heel of TSW), and will happen with this game too.

     

    Really wish they took a more tactical and epic feeling for the combat, with dodging, big hits with great feedback, etc...even if that involves animation lock

     

    I'm not worried about other bad stuff like the really uninspired UI (wtf is that font they are using...), because that aspect will most likely change near the end of the beta (by experience I know that the UI is one of the last things to get finished).

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,460Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fledur

    Really wish they took a more tactical and epic feeling for the combat, with dodging, big hits with great feedback, etc...even if that involves animation lock

    There is dodging and there are large hits. Not necessarily great "feedback" from those hits.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by fledur

    Actually I had and still have pretty low expectations for this game...I dont know why

    After watching the video, the only thing that got me worried was the combat..because even if you take out the obvious work in progress stuff (de-sync, "ranged melee hits", etc) and the "bad player factor", it seemed really light on enemy action feedback, "floaty" and bland. Combat felt really boring.....and considering my numerous past experiences with videogame betas, things like combat WILL NOT CHANGE from now to the release of the game. Animations too are very unlikely to improve. This is sad because combat is a crucial part of a game like this one...and will most likely mean the game's failure to achieve a stable playerbase. It happened to the Secret World (combat is the Achilles heel of TSW), and will happen with this game too.

    Yeah, this is my absolute main problem with what I saw.  There are a ton of people who seem to want to imagine that the floaty feeling of combat will change before release, but what if it doesn't?  This was exactly the problem I had with TSW, your whole pargraph rings true to me.

    Say what you want about WoW and GW2, even TERA, but when I engaged in combat in those games, I always felt like I was hitting something solid.  If this changed, my opinion of the game would change, but people can't pretend the combat looks amazing.  Protip: they will anyway.

  • Pixel_JockeyPixel_Jockey Auburn Hills, MIPosts: 165Member
    I know allot of folks are saying "the graphics will change, it's in beta", but I have to disagree to an extent. I played 3 SWTOR betas and the graphics/gameplay were just about identical to the beta months before release. I'm not saying it will be the same, but I am not expecting them to be much better. As far as the gameplay goes, aside from some animation cleanup, I doubt the core gameplay will be any different. I am not trying to bash the game, just going by past experience on beta to finished product. 
  • znaiikaznaiika denver, PAPosts: 203Member

    Somehow I think tis is about RvR PVP fans, "hint"  DAOC and ESO.

    Same thing happened to Dayz and Warz.

    Simply? some people want ESO to be CU, simple as it could be.

    Forced for all PVP.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,460Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by fledur

    Actually I had and still have pretty low expectations for this game...I dont know why

    After watching the video, the only thing that got me worried was the combat..because even if you take out the obvious work in progress stuff (de-sync, "ranged melee hits", etc) and the "bad player factor", it seemed really light on enemy action feedback, "floaty" and bland. Combat felt really boring.....and considering my numerous past experiences with videogame betas, things like combat WILL NOT CHANGE from now to the release of the game. Animations too are very unlikely to improve. This is sad because combat is a crucial part of a game like this one...and will most likely mean the game's failure to achieve a stable playerbase. It happened to the Secret World (combat is the Achilles heel of TSW), and will happen with this game too.

    Yeah, this is my absolute main problem with what I saw.  There are a ton of people who seem to want to imagine that the floaty feeling of combat will change before release, but what if it doesn't?  This was exactly the problem I had with TSW, your whole pargraph rings true to me.

    Say what you want about WoW and GW2, even TERA, but when I engaged in combat in those games, I always felt like I was hitting something solid.  If this changed, my opinion of the game would change, but people can't pretend the combat looks amazing.  Protip: they will anyway.

    I have yet to see anyone say that the "floaty" feeling will change. The only thing mentioned was that some of the sounds for combat "could" change.

    Another issue (in my opinion) is that the avatars move a bit quickler than I would like and that gives a feeling of being less than "solid".

     

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by fledur

    Actually I had and still have pretty low expectations for this game...I dont know why

    After watching the video, the only thing that got me worried was the combat..because even if you take out the obvious work in progress stuff (de-sync, "ranged melee hits", etc) and the "bad player factor", it seemed really light on enemy action feedback, "floaty" and bland. Combat felt really boring.....and considering my numerous past experiences with videogame betas, things like combat WILL NOT CHANGE from now to the release of the game. Animations too are very unlikely to improve. This is sad because combat is a crucial part of a game like this one...and will most likely mean the game's failure to achieve a stable playerbase. It happened to the Secret World (combat is the Achilles heel of TSW), and will happen with this game too.

    Yeah, this is my absolute main problem with what I saw.  There are a ton of people who seem to want to imagine that the floaty feeling of combat will change before release, but what if it doesn't?  This was exactly the problem I had with TSW, your whole pargraph rings true to me.

    Say what you want about WoW and GW2, even TERA, but when I engaged in combat in those games, I always felt like I was hitting something solid.  If this changed, my opinion of the game would change, but people can't pretend the combat looks amazing.  Protip: they will anyway.

    I have yet to see anyone say that the "floaty" feeling will change. The only thing mentioned was that some of the sounds for combat "could" change.

    Another issue (in my opinion) is that the avatars move a bit quickler than I would like and that gives a feeling of being less than "solid".

    Yeah, the mage I saw moved very fast.  So my question is, is that the same with every class/armor build (if you know, that is)?  I know how a lot of modern MMORPG players would complain, but honestly, I think anyone wearing heavy armor should move slower... but that's just me.  I guess it would be a big disadvantage in PvP.

    I ask because 1.) it makes logical sense.. not that most MMOs do, and 2.) it's the way things worked in single player ES games.

  • TinybinaTinybina Boondocks, TXPosts: 2,130Member
    Originally posted by baphamet

    i blame wow lol

    we seen on the wow forums that if you cry loud enough eventually you might get your way.

     

    Yeah because noone EVER cried on the forums of a MMO before WOW... /rolleyes

     

    For me it was not the graphics or the animation, it was the horrible boring gameplay and terrible A.I..  

    Yes I know this is beta.  Yes I know that this was a starting zone.  But this game is releasing this year....

     

    That was some of the most boring mind numbing gameplay I have ever seen in my life. 

    ------------------------------
    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by fledur

    Actually I had and still have pretty low expectations for this game...I dont know why

    After watching the video, the only thing that got me worried was the combat..because even if you take out the obvious work in progress stuff (de-sync, "ranged melee hits", etc) and the "bad player factor", it seemed really light on enemy action feedback, "floaty" and bland. Combat felt really boring.....and considering my numerous past experiences with videogame betas, things like combat WILL NOT CHANGE from now to the release of the game. Animations too are very unlikely to improve. This is sad because combat is a crucial part of a game like this one...and will most likely mean the game's failure to achieve a stable playerbase. It happened to the Secret World (combat is the Achilles heel of TSW), and will happen with this game too.

    Yeah, this is my absolute main problem with what I saw.  There are a ton of people who seem to want to imagine that the floaty feeling of combat will change before release, but what if it doesn't?  This was exactly the problem I had with TSW, your whole pargraph rings true to me.

    Say what you want about WoW and GW2, even TERA, but when I engaged in combat in those games, I always felt like I was hitting something solid.  If this changed, my opinion of the game would change, but people can't pretend the combat looks amazing.  Protip: they will anyway.

    I have yet to see anyone say that the "floaty" feeling will change. The only thing mentioned was that some of the sounds for combat "could" change.

    Another issue (in my opinion) is that the avatars move a bit quickler than I would like and that gives a feeling of being less than "solid".

    Yeah, the mage I saw moved very fast.  So my question is, is that the same with every class/armor build (if you know, that is)?  I know how a lot of modern MMORPG players would complain, but honestly, I think anyone wearing heavy armor should move slower... but that's just me.  I guess it would be a big disadvantage in PvP.

    I ask because 1.) it makes logical sense.. not that most MMOs do, and 2.) it's the way things worked in single player ES games.

    the mage in the video was moving fast cause he had 'sprint' toggled on.  you can see his stamina draining. 

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,460Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
     

    Yeah, the mage I saw moved very fast.  So my question is, is that the same with every class/armor build (if you know, that is)?  I know how a lot of modern MMORPG players would complain, but honestly, I think anyone wearing heavy armor should move slower... but that's just me.  I guess it would be a big disadvantage in PvP.

    "in my opinion" I felt both my templar and dragon knight, in heavy armor moved too quickly.

    So this stuff probably won't change at launch.

    I doubt the animations will drastically change.

    The game does look better than that video implied. But not leagues better.

    My initial concern from playing at PAX is that the pve really is just mmo quest pve as opposed to "hey look, there is a door up there, I wonder what that is,...". There will be a little of that but sadly probably not a lot.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    I am preplexed with amount of whining over the leaked video.

    "The game looks terrible!" ... fanboys leaving.

     

    But I wonder, honestly : What did you expect ?

    Cause I aint seeing anything that would in any way contradict anything that was said and reported about game so far.

    So what made you scream "bloody murder" now ?

     

    Is it graphics ? Because in beta only the lowest resolution textures are enabled and 3d effects are on bare minimum. Its only in late beta cycles that they enable all "eye candy" ... but you knew that , right ?

    Is it animations ? Because in Beta most animations are placeholders...

     

    Is it the fact its just another MMO with zero innovation ?

    But you knew that before....

     

    So why complain now ?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I don't get it. I mean, sure, I will make my own assumptions from watching the video but until I have had actual hands-on time I see no reason to flip out and spell doom for the game.

    That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  • alterfenixalterfenix Bielsko-BialaPosts: 343Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ReeseFlamelocks
    It looks pretty similar to Skyrim. I don't know why people are getting their panties in a knot. No game ever lives up to all expectations.

    Well I wouldn't call it similar but then after watching it in general it encouraged me to try it out. There are a few things that were on the video that didn't fit TES and shown that TESO could be better as FFA sandbox game but then it's not a sandbox. And some changes therefore had to be made (like don't kill NPC). I myself can live with that.

  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Wolcott, NYPosts: 671Member Uncommon
     From what I saw in the video it looks like what they have said it will be. I saw an Elder Scrolls game designed to play as a MMO. It had many of the Elder Scrolls signatures of play in it. Remember it was also beta and early beta at that... one of the reasons companies try to hinder leaks at this stage.

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  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon

    after seeing the video i cant wait to see what pvp is like.  looks like the combat will be challenging and engaging.

     

    as for what i expect.  i expect it to be like any other mmo in the past couple years.  in that,  it will keep me entertained for a month or 2 and then i will try the next one.  hopefully though,  someday,  a new game will release that keeps me engaged for more than a few months.  this might be it, but only time will tell.

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

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