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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Axehilt

    And calling WOW "RNG" when RNG has so little (read: almost nothing) to do with performance in any given role leaves me scratching my head too...

    Huh?  WoW is an RNG game... I'm not sure how anyone tricks themselves into thinking otherwise.  At least, it was last time I played it.

    if you supress your crit stats and don't spec into procs, it becomes far less rng...

     

    players gear to hit cap and expertise cap to minimize the rng.

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  • sanshi44sanshi44 BrisbanePosts: 1,088Member Uncommon
    Anything that resemble WoW and its clones cause im just sick of those games, cmon dev get creative and make somthing u want to not a duplacit of a game already out.
  • AntiquatedAntiquated Oak Brook, MIPosts: 673Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by delete5230

    I hate to say it,but this leaves almost nothing for me to play.

    Well, at least you don't have to make any decisions.

    People really wonder why they "can't find the game for me", with a reject-reflex list that long?

    Really?

  • LivnthedreamLivnthedream Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 555Member
    Originally posted by sanshi44
    Anything that resemble WoW and its clones cause im just sick of those games, cmon dev get creative and make somthing u want to not a duplacit of a game already out.

    You do realize that many want these features too? That WoW does a number of things right?

  • sanshi44sanshi44 BrisbanePosts: 1,088Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Livnthedream
    Originally posted by sanshi44
    Anything that resemble WoW and its clones cause im just sick of those games, cmon dev get creative and make somthing u want to not a duplacit of a game already out.

    You do realize that many want these features too? That WoW does a number of things right?

    I know many want WoW features its just that no company is realy doing somthing other than WoW, now that i got more time i go through more details on my turn offs

    Turn Offs

    - First instances, completly hate them and does a realy good job with breaking immersion (being ablke to be in a zone by urself/group and garanteed no to run into somone else break immersions.

    - Instant travel, player spell such as teleports are the exception of course.

    -WoW boat travel system, jump on a voat go for a ride for 30 second hit a load and end up at the destination, i rather have 5 minutes wait where you can do a little fishing or take ur eyes off the screen or even enjoy the scenery as i travel by boats.

    -Items are earned instead of given to you on a silver platter

    - You only have one zone/area to lvl at each lvl bracket (looking at you Rift)

    -Cant attacks certain mobs (NPC of ur faction and so on)

    -Mobs leashing, why would a mob chase u 5 meters then give up what are they all very unfit and get tired easily.

    -Auction houses, i rather see them gone, games such as runescape and Everquest did them well. (This also allows player to play as a merchant buy thing for cheap where they drop heavily from player and sell them else where for more)

    While were at it Turn ons (appart from the opposite of turn off cause there obvious)

    -Different lvl mobs in easome zones just add to the immersion and keep u on ur toes. (take Everquest for example had hill giants lvl 40-45 or so mobs in a lvl 25-35 area)

    -City building in some way prefer it when it up to the player on where they build/where they place there buildings

    - In depth worth and large amounts of factions you can gain or loose faction for depending on what u do and kill (like EQ1)

    - Open world PvP

    - A death penalty that you want to advoid (A big one for me is this, i find this greatly help pull you in to the game aswell as to socialise)

    - Group based rather than Solo all the way, of course you should be able to solo to a degree but it should be hard and maybe only able to be done by specific classes but its always better in groups. (add to socal game play)

    - Lots of things to do appart from farming mobs and lvling up (farming crops, city building, intregite crafting, mining and so on, the more the better) (Speaking of harvesting i realy would like to see a come back to Runescape harvesting method i much rather than than randomly generated nodes)

     

     

     

     

  • LeaningKidGokuLeaningKidGoku Lima, OHPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by LeaningKidGoku

    I know this is gonna sound wrong, but gender-locked classes in MMOs is something I hate with a passion. Like whats the point?

    It's not wrong at all to me.  I was thinking over the question and read your post and this is one I definitely agree with.  I mean, you're right, what IS the point of it?  Laziness is my guess.  What's better than being less creative but still getting paid, I ask you?

    In a similar way, I'm not a huge fan of TERA's "one weapon per class" feature.  I played that and then RaiderZ, and though RaiderZ is not nearly as popular by the look of it, it's more fun and is the main reason I quit TERA along with the aforementioned weapon issue.  I don't even like this in WoW or GW2, though they are much more flexible.  But yeah, at least TERA lets you choose male or female no matter what... well sort of, the Poppori are kind of like the male versions of the Elin, but beast-like, and I guess there are no female barakka (sp).  Even then, I think they'd look out of place so it's no biggie.

    As for the rest, I don't really like F2P limitations like only being able to have 2 characters per server/account.  That way you have to keep deleting ones you tried to try other classes, which is just a waste of time and does NOT make me want to pay money for character slots.  It just makes me want to go play better F2P games.  I'm glad EQ2 doesn't do this anymore, I will definitely try it again after hearing this.

    I like to think I'm pretty flexible about features as long as they don't limit me in a way that makes me have to delete characters or choose a gender or weapon I don't want.

    A few things I can do without, but aren't necessarily "hands-off", ie: I can usually find ways to either ignore them or the games they're part of:

    - raiding (WoW)

    - steep gear treadmill (WoW, Rift, TERA, Aion)

    - inactive or just plain apathetic GM's or staff (in regards to gold spammers mostly) (Dragon Nest)

    - extreme Asian themes (Age of Wushu)

    - No polearms (Guild Wars 2) :(

    Exactly.

    Tera atleast "tried" to make a difference with the whole "One weapon per class", by adding a crazy ass design to the next with which I got to say is very well designed weapons, so they wasn't "really" looking like it was the same "type" of weapon.  But you're right they should atleast allow the option of having class choose between two types of weapons for the class. Alot of games I played allow this.. well the old good days of my MMORPG experience they did.

    And as for Aion same as Tera, the armor designs were very beautifuly designed in my eyes.

    Last for Guild Wars 2, I thought they kinda made-up for the, "no polearms" with the scythe I mean.. it's more epic than a polearm to me, and looks more epic. Lmao

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member

    My list of will-not-play:

    - lack of dungeon finder

    - lack of AH

    - non-fun combat

    - lack of good instanced content

    - requiring a sub

     

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by free2play
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    The #1 thing that will make me walk away from any MMO is forced, open-world, full-loot PvP.  If I cannot completely and totally opt out of it, I'll take my time and money elsewhere.

    This. I played EVE for 7 years but I never once deployed a POS in null sec knowing full well it was only a matter of time before someone with a capital fleet would just roll in and insta-gib it while I was at work or alseep. I refuse to participate in games where the Devs forced players to shank one another to keep "balance".

    Exactly.  I played EvE for a while and hated getting anywhere near low-sec space because I knew that, just popping out of the gate, there would be gankers sitting there waiting to kill anything that came out and they'd kill your pod, just for spite.

    I don't want to play a game made up of assholes.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     

    Exactly.  I played EvE for a while and hated getting anywhere near low-sec space because I knew that, just popping out of the gate, there would be gankers sitting there waiting to kill anything that came out and they'd kill your pod, just for spite.

    I don't want to play a game made up of assholes.

    That is one problem with Eve, you depend too much on others of whether you will have fun or not.

     

     

  • KuviskiKuviski KajaaniPosts: 214Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     

    Exactly.  I played EvE for a while and hated getting anywhere near low-sec space because I knew that, just popping out of the gate, there would be gankers sitting there waiting to kill anything that came out and they'd kill your pod, just for spite.

    I don't want to play a game made up of assholes.

    That is one problem with Eve, you depend too much on others of whether you will have fun or not.

     

     

    Obviously its a personal opinion, but I don't see this as a problem at all but instead as a crucial feature I like my MMORPGs to have. I think grouping should be important, and the same goes for running guilds and so on.

  • AxehiltAxehilt San Francisco, CAPosts: 8,764Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Well first of all Im a McDonalds, Walmart, Nickleback type of MMO player.  If its good for the masses its good for me.  I dislike anything Indie with a vehemet passion.  (call it my anti social, anti-hipster stance).  Secondly I follow MMO's very closely and I know what is triple-A and what was crowd sourced so I would never play the kickstarter game in the first place.  Lastly you call it weird but in all actuality I am part of the majority so in essence you are the weird one. 

    You are delluding yourself if you think WoW was anything other then an RNG based game.  It was at the start and was when I finished one of the greatest outcrys against the game.  In fact one could look back on mmochampions.com (when I played) and evry single day there was a blue post responding to some form of RNG.  For those who don't understand it, RNG is Random Number Generator.  WoW was littered wiht all sorts of RNG mechanics, especially within Defensive and offensive hidden numbers such as +hit and +block.  It was even more prevelant in Arena and PvP with things like Fear breaking on damage, Stormherald stun and offensive procs from overpowered items such as most trinkets.

    Suppose I can understand disliking the "it was kickstarter because it was a bad concept to begin with" type of kickstarter projects.  I just think it's completely the wrong thing to hinge your preferences on.  Better to say "I won't buy MMORPGs which aren't Triple A quality."

    RNG at its worst in WOW was still an extremely minor factor in performance, and nowadays has virtually zero impact on performance except in the shortest of fights (if you measure DPS over a 3-second PVE fight, one player might luck out and get two crits in a row and look substantially different;  if you measure DPS over the entirety of a 10+ minute dungeon or raid, RNG will have dropped off to be a complete non-factor in each player's performance.)  For the same reason, early WOW's PVP was bad because fights could potentially be over that fast, which also no longer exists apart from level differences (which is one of several reasons MMORPG PVP is incredibly casual PVP -- in every MMORPG -- and not really worth playing.)  Not sure WOW PVP fights were ever over that fast in Arena play, though.  By that point it was largely fixed.

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  • DestaiDestai Detroit, MIPosts: 574Member
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Automatic Deal breakers for me are:

     

    1. Indie development
    2. Games that were funded by Kickstarter and other crowd sourcing.
    3. Games that feature SciFi heavy elements (i.e. pew pew lazers)
    4. Games that feature something other then a single player avator in 3rd person.
    5. Games that do not have some form of Dungeon Finder or Group Finder (only if the game features Instanced content)
    6. Games which are Raid Centric and require elements of "Scheduling" to play (all games should be sporadic in nature.
    7. Games which feature forced grouping.
    8. Games which offer little to no Player progression (beyond gear).
    9. Games with strict linear paths from Character Creation to Level Cap.
    10. Games which feature Tab Targetting MMO combat.  *For many many years the claim I alway seen in games like WoW was less RNG and more Skill, and all of a sudden Skill based Action games come about and alot of people are upset*  Boggles my head really.
     
    I am a product of Asheron's Call and and as such every MMO I play from here on out will be gauged by that standard.  The only true old school game which featured skill and allowed the solo player the opportunity to be jsut as good and powerful as someone else.

    So if an amazing-looking, amazing-playing MMORPG came out and you were having fun, then someone told you it was Kickstarted, you would throw down your keyboard and walk away from a good time?  Weird...

    And calling WOW "RNG" when RNG has so little (read: almost nothing) to do with performance in any given role leaves me scratching my head too...

    Well first of all Im a McDonalds, Walmart, Nickleback type of MMO player.  If its good for the masses its good for me.  I dislike anything Indie with a vehemet passion.  (call it my anti social, anti-hipster stance).  Secondly I follow MMO's very closely and I know what is triple-A and what was crowd sourced so I would never play the kickstarter game in the first place.  Lastly you call it weird but in all actuality I am part of the majority so in essence you are the weird one.

     

    You are delluding yourself if you think WoW was anything other then an RNG based game.  It was at the start and was when I finished one of the greatest outcrys against the game.  In fact one could look back on mmochampions.com (when I played) and evry single day there was a blue post responding to some form of RNG.  For those who don't understand it, RNG is Random Number Generator.  WoW was littered wiht all sorts of RNG mechanics, especially within Defensive and offensive hidden numbers such as +hit and +block.  It was even more prevelant in Arena and PvP with things like Fear breaking on damage, Stormherald stun and offensive procs from overpowered items such as most trinkets.

    It's really sad you hate indie games, that's where the fresh ideas are. The so called AAA moniker is rubbish for MMORPGs, as most of those games have failed miserably. The only one to have any measure of success is Guild Wars 2, and I wouldn't consider them a very large company.

    Crowdsourcing doesn't mean the game will be bad. It's a relatively new business phenomenon  and its impact or correlation with quality has to yet to be determined. In my experience many crowd sourced and games are enjoyable and focus on the fun factor, rather than fanfare and uber graphics. 

  • Lovely_LalyLovely_Laly genevaPosts: 734Member


    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    My list of will-not-play:- lack of dungeon finder- lack of AH- non-fun combat- lack of good instanced content- requiring a sub 
    this but not only

    - I'll never play game unable to send me check-in mail correctly!

    - I dislike bad graphic and poor customization.

    - I stay away from persistent Item Shop (ex: when I need to pay for mount at the start)

    - I stay away from game with bad feedback on forums and FB.

    - I stay away / very bored of old school games with slow progress and endless combat.

    try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
    Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Kuviski
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Cephus404
     

    Exactly.  I played EvE for a while and hated getting anywhere near low-sec space because I knew that, just popping out of the gate, there would be gankers sitting there waiting to kill anything that came out and they'd kill your pod, just for spite.

    I don't want to play a game made up of assholes.

    That is one problem with Eve, you depend too much on others of whether you will have fun or not.

     

     

    Obviously its a personal opinion, but I don't see this as a problem at all but instead as a crucial feature I like my MMORPGs to have. I think grouping should be important, and the same goes for running guilds and so on.

    Grouping with a convenient quit button .. yes. If a group is not fun, i can click "bye bye".

    Eve .. you don't have that option .. if someone grief you ... you can't just click "bye bye". And yes, it is a personal preference.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Axehilt
     

    So if an amazing-looking, amazing-playing MMORPG came out and you were having fun, then someone told you it was Kickstarted, you would throw down your keyboard and walk away from a good time?  Weird...

     

    No. I will play the game. I wouldn't care how the game came about .. whether it is EA, or KS, or some indie shop.

    However, i would NOT fund it in the first place because i wouldn't know for sure that it is "amazing-looking, amazing-playing MMORPG" before it is made.

     

  • meilirsmeilirs Artesia, CAPosts: 32Member

    Only two things for me and this is more about the players/community than game design.

    - no mute

    - global chat (most often in MMORTS)

  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,478Member Uncommon

    I don´t really have a `not touching that MMO` list, I do however have some sort of list when I actually had some handson with game X to see if there are things I do like and if those things outway the things I don´t like.

     

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Lovely_Laly

     


    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    My list of will-not-play:

     

    - lack of dungeon finder

    - lack of AH

    - non-fun combat

    - lack of good instanced content

    - requiring a sub

     


    this but not only

     

    - I'll never play game unable to send me check-in mail correctly! (1)

    - I dislike bad graphic and poor customization. (2)

    - I stay away from persistent Item Shop (ex: when I need to pay for mount at the start) (3)

    - I stay away from game with bad feedback on forums and FB. (4)

    - I stay away / very bored of old school games with slow progress and endless combat. (5)

    Definitely add (2) and (5) to my list. The others i can tolerate.

     

  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member

    - Gender locked classes.

    - Having to buy each expansion individually before you can start to play the same game as everyone else.

    - Crafting seems to be the typical style seen in most themeparks. It won't stop me from playing exclusively, but is a major reason I won't play a game long term.

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by delete5230

    What would you consider hands off in your mmos, sometimes BEFORE you would even try it ?

    Even just a few years back, none of this would even be an issue, in fact they were never even in the mix.

     

    My list of will-not-play :

     

    1) Released F2P

    2) Went F2P

    3) Mega servers ( Kills community )

    4) Zoning to servers ( Kills community )

    5) Ridicules easy to play

    6) Dungeon finder games ( Sometimes and depends on the game )

     

    I hate to say it,but this leaves almost nothing for me to play.

    So you really have 5.

    If you won't play a released f2p or one that went f2p.....well, that's 1: F2P

    Or is there a f2p scenario you will play?

    And 5.....I'm confused....you won't play a game which ridicules 'easy to play'....does that mean you will play a game that is easy, just one not ridiculed by the game....or ......

    And for a 'hands off' list you use 'sometimes' a lot.

     

    As for my hands-off list....hmm, I guess I'm willing to try anything. To me it isn't the features a game has or doesn't have, it is how well the features it has are implemented.

  • GreenHellGreenHell ludlow, MAPosts: 1,322Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    The #1 thing that will make me walk away from any MMO is forced, open-world, full-loot PvP.  If I cannot completely and totally opt out of it, I'll take my time and money elsewhere.

    This.

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member

    1) high fantasy

    2) cartoony look

    3) bad quest design

    4) cuddly races

    5) carebear catering gameplay

    6) bad or no story

     

     

    i.e. WoW, Gw2, Tera, Aion and the like would never make it on my play list

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  • AdamantineAdamantine NowherePosts: 3,514Member Common

    Well, many game elements dont appeal to me. Such as sandbox without story content, full loot pvp, bad setting, too few race choices, small gameworld, "levelup on rails", completely classless or otherwise too primitive class system, too ugly graphics, too awful graphic style (or in that case non-style), and so on.

    However, any game is always a compromise. Any game will have elements that I dont like. The question is if it has enough elements that I would like.

    For example, I would love to have my favorite elements form Lineage 2 in Vanguard, meaning sportive mass PvP events (castle sieges), overenchanting, or certain class concepts, but hey, Vanguard has enough other strengths that I keep enjoying it.

    There are some things I would not tolerate though:

    - Free to play, though obviously I'm forced to compromise in that area. I want everybody to play under the same conditions. Vanguards f2p is kind of an extended demo, though. You definitely wont be happy playing a competitive highlevel character here. So its still kind of fine. But yeah, I feel game quality has been decreased a bit by f2p.

    - First person viewpoint only. I want to see my characters from above, thank you very much. Much closer to what one really could see. What the monitor shows you has very little to do with a realistic view, thus first person view is NOT realistic at all.

    - Permanent Item Decay. I am fine with repairs, though they are an annoying and superflous hassle. What I dont want is a treadmill game that forces you to get the same items again and again, instead of working on progress, most of the time. I want an item focussed game that makes you spend weeks, months or years to get the best gear.

     

  • LuxferreGamingLuxferreGaming Haverhill, MAPosts: 12Member
    • Tab Targetting is a big no no
    • Low population
    • Was shut down once before and remade
    • If the game has no PvP servers it is a big no no

     

  • DzoneDzone bowling green, KYPosts: 351Member Uncommon

    Game breaking for me would be

    1. FTP ( Cash shops ruin the immersion for me)

    2. Able to solo to max ( I'de much rather work in a group to level)

    3.  PVP focused ( I've always preferd PVE, my old mmo FFXI i never pvp'd at all, it didn't have any to begin with, and that game was still very sugcessfull

    4. Fast leveling ( if i can get to cap in a month, whats the point, mmo's are supposed to last for years right?)

     

     

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