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Now that Camelot Unchained is coming - how will this game really fare?

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  • alterfenixalterfenix Bielsko-BialaPosts: 343Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by meddyck
    Originally posted by baphamet

    Originally posted by meddyck

     

    That's easy. It will offer levelling and gear grinding first plus it will have different mechanics that may appeal more to former DAOC players


    so by offering less content (no PVE) that somehow means it offers more?

    i guess if you are a fan of moba games or fps shooters that may appeal to you more than TESO would.

    as a fan of both Daoc and TES, i want pve in my game too. i am not saying i wouldn't give CU a try if it did its pvp really well but i just don't see what that game would offer that TESO will not, other than being a newer game and doing things a little differently.

    The topic of this thread is about TESO vs CU so it goes without saying this is mainly about people who are focused on RvR/AvA/Tri-Realm. People like, for instance, me. There are tons of MMOs that have PvE. There's no reason somebody couldn't RvR in CU and PvE in, for instance, GW 2, TESO, EQ Next, or whatever else is popular in 2015.

    Yeah but then if to PvE in TESO and PvP in CU... Why not to simply do both in TESO? Point is we don't know how RvR in TESO will work out and if it does then playing simply one game may give more less same with much less effort. I mean even switching apps with alt-tab can be for some a problem (I'd guess that for most).

  • GreezGreez Wickie Watchie, FLPosts: 103Member
    I don't feel great about this game atm, regardless of what happens with CU.
    Originally posted by alterfenix

    Yeah but then if to PvE in TESO and PvP in CU... Why not to simply do both in TESO?

    Level of quality?

  • Soki123Soki123 Kelowna, BCPosts: 1,482Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by meddyck
    Originally posted by baphamet

    Originally posted by meddyck

     

    That's easy. It will offer levelling and gear grinding first plus it will have different mechanics that may appeal more to former DAOC players


    so by offering less content (no PVE) that somehow means it offers more?

    i guess if you are a fan of moba games or fps shooters that may appeal to you more than TESO would.

    as a fan of both Daoc and TES, i want pve in my game too. i am not saying i wouldn't give CU a try if it did its pvp really well but i just don't see what that game would offer that TESO will not, other than being a newer game and doing things a little differently.

    The topic of this thread is about TESO vs CU so it goes without saying this is mainly about people who are focused on RvR/AvA/Tri-Realm. People like, for instance, me. There are tons of MMOs that have PvE. There's no reason somebody couldn't RvR in CU and PvE in, for instance, GW 2, TESO, EQ Next, or whatever else is popular in 2015.

    I personally liked the charm of the pve in DAOC. Leveling up through camping spots, DF runs, Epic armor quest chain, Dragon raids, I could go on. TOA aside, I actually loved the pve in DAOC. A little of that mixed in with the great RvR, IMO, made DAOC the game it was. Not saying CU won t be fun, if it releases, but I truly think ESO will have that charm. Hopefully they add an epic quest gear chain type thing. I ve always liked those in game. Every few levels, you do a quest to give you a damn good set of gear when you hit end game, and the quests you re doing give you something for that level.

     

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Normandy7
    Well first CU needs to get funded. My opinion is this though. Once this game fails so hard you'll be having more people coming to play CU because they will want their fill of real RVR combat. 

    and what will make their combat "real" rvr combat?

    if CU launches it will fail just as hard as this one, except it wont have near the numbers before or after it "fails"

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    TESO will remain the same, it'll start high and plummet into the ground. CU isn't coming, its a dream someone had and hes trying to see how far he can run with it.
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by meddyck
    Originally posted by baphamet Originally posted by meddyck   That's easy. It will offer levelling and gear grinding first plus it will have different mechanics that may appeal more to former DAOC players
    so by offering less content (no PVE) that somehow means it offers more? i guess if you are a fan of moba games or fps shooters that may appeal to you more than TESO would. as a fan of both Daoc and TES, i want pve in my game too. i am not saying i wouldn't give CU a try if it did its pvp really well but i just don't see what that game would offer that TESO will not, other than being a newer game and doing things a little differently.
    The topic of this thread is about TESO vs CU so it goes without saying this is mainly about people who are focused on RvR/AvA/Tri-Realm. People like, for instance, me. There are tons of MMOs that have PvE. There's no reason somebody couldn't RvR in CU and PvE in, for instance, GW 2, TESO, EQ Next, or whatever else is popular in 2015.

    and why would they do this? why would they play CU over TESO if both games feature RVR pvp?

    also, the topic of this thread did not mention only RvR combat, there was more to Daoc than just RvR for many people.

    i want someone to tell me why CU will be so much better other than telling me because it wont have PVE.


  • nationalcitynationalcity Decatur, MIPosts: 330Member Uncommon

    Umm lets see considering this game actually has PVE/RVR/PVP I would say its gonna be just fine....

    The people that want just RVR will be playing CU the ones that want more then that will be here or whatever MMO they desire I mean its not like CU is gonna take over every other MMO....

    I'm sure some people will be playing both CU and another MMO just to get there PVE fix....

    I mean the brand alone on this game is gonna bring in players for at least the first month now after the honeymoon period is over we shall see how many are left......

    This thread makes it sound like once CU comes out every other game is gonna be devoid of players and everyone will flock to CU. I mean personally I won't be one of them I don't want just RVR but that's just me and I'm sure I'm not alone.......

     

    I'm happy for the people that are getting CU but I really don't see it making a dent in the playerbase of any other MMO considering it's gonna be pretty niche.....

     

     

     

     

     

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Greez
    I don't feel great about this game atm, regardless of what happens with CU. Originally posted by alterfenix Yeah but then if to PvE in TESO and PvP in CU... Why not to simply do both in TESO?
    Level of quality?

    so you are saying CU will be a more quality game? based on what information exactly?

  • MyTabbycatMyTabbycat SP, MOPosts: 312Member

    Didn't the guy making CU say that if it got funded he could make it within six months to a year?

    That sort of tells me it's not going to be much of a game.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat

    Didn't the guy making CU say that if it got funded he could make it within six months to a year?

    That sort of tells me it's not going to be much of a game.

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,830Member Uncommon
    I have zero interest in CU, so ESO is still at the top of my anticipation list.
  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Margulis
    The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.

    ESO is IMO the spiritual successor to DAoC because it offers everything DaoC does.  CU is nothing more then a persistent fantasy based Planetside 2.  CU will be lucky to garner 50k subs and ESO will most likely top 3+ million easily.

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  • AcidonAcidon Salem, ORPosts: 797Member

    IMHO, ESO is still the spiritual successor to DAoC. 

    Think about it, CU is going to be a small fraction of what ESO brings to the table.

    CU is nowhere on my radar due to the lack of PvE, which I enjoy immensely in my MMOs.  No PvE = No Play for me.

     

    EDIT:  This is from a die-hard DAoC player back in the day.  It was one of the two most enjoyable MMORPGs I have experienced.  To add to that, I didn't mind the direction that came with ToA either.

     

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  • Eol-Eol- houston, TXPosts: 274Member

    People forget that a lot of people played DAoC mainly for the PvE. In fact it was when those players started leaving that DAoC subs fell, after Shrouded Isles and when ToA radically changed the game. It was only when the game declined that it was mainly a PvP game because the main players that stuck with it were the hard core PvPers. It can even be argued how much of a RvR game it has been for years, when much of the PvP activity became 8 v 8 not mainly large scale RvR like in the earlier days.

     

    Oh and BTW, CU affects ESO much the same way a gnat affects an elephant, ie, barely at all. CU on the other hand will be massively affected by ESO, to the extent CU is even a realistic possibility which I doubt. What dumbass will put millions into CU with ESO just around the corner? The only real hope IMO for CU is for ESO to massively fail, and even then it will take a long time, and frankly I think thats pretty unrealistic.

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  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Margulis
    The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.

    CU beta is coming in what? 2015? If it stays on schedule after being funded? It still has about a million bucks to go, and although i believe it will hit it's mark... This game won't come out until 2016. TESO will come out this year, perhaps early 2014. Either way, it has a 2 year head start. 

     

    I don't think CU really matters right now. At all. About anything. 

     

     

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xobdnas

     


    Originally posted by dinams
    Let me tell what will happen

     

     

    TESO launches, people play it, get to the end-game in 2 weeks and come to mmorpg.com saying how the game sucks and disappoints

    Archeage launches on the west, people play it, get very deep on the game and then come to mmorpg.com saying how the game sucks and disappoints

    Blizzard announces Titan, hype goes off the fucking charts, every other mmo then looks like a time waster until titan launchs

    Camelot Unchained releases, old-school fans gets disappointed for the game not being exactly DAoC with better graphics and not even remotely paying its hype off, more fresh players get disappointed by indie quality gameplay and everyone will have their eyes on the new shiny mmos coming out

    World of Darkness launches, it replaces EvE as the sandbox king

    Titan laucnhes, it replaces WoW as the mmo king

     

    And then you have CCP and Blizzard ruling the mmo market

    Just as today


     

    nicely done sir

    That is about as accurate a post as I've ever seen. QFT

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Henderson, NVPosts: 363Member Common
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Margulis
    The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.

    ESO is IMO the spiritual successor to DAoC because it offers everything DaoC does.  CU is nothing more then a persistent fantasy based Planetside 2.  CU will be lucky to garner 50k subs and ESO will most likely top 3+ million easily.

    This is the core problem of ESO. Instead of becoming the FIRST Elder Scrolls MMORPG, it is only just the remake of DAOC.

    This is why it will fail

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Originally posted by Margulis The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.
    ESO is IMO the spiritual successor to DAoC because it offers everything DaoC does.  CU is nothing more then a persistent fantasy based Planetside 2.  CU will be lucky to garner 50k subs and ESO will most likely top 3+ million easily.
    This is the core problem of ESO. Instead of becoming the FIRST Elder Scrolls MMORPG, it is only just the remake of DAOC.

    This is why it will fail


    because it offers rvr style pvp? so if it didn't offer optional rvr pvp it would be a success? or do you think the combat and game mechanics resembles daoc as well?

    having the option to go to cyrodiil and pvp is not what will make this game "fail"

    faction lock is the only feature of this game adopted from daoc that has an impact on this game failing and i honestly don't think it will have a big impact at all in that regard.


  • will75will75 Fatalis,The Combine, SoB... Semi retired, waiting for next big thing.., FLPosts: 353Member

    ESO will be dead by the time CU comes out, if it even does.So what does it matter? Where's rift now? Where's Aion now? Where's AOC now? Where's SWTOR now? Where's GW2 now? (ok... but you gotta admit, the WvW is horrible implemented). Really? I can carry more supplies because i'm rank 2? lol?

     

     

    Maybe i'm ignorant. but is ESO not a PVE game first? Then PvP? Will the best gear in PVP be equal to pve gear? Will there be PVP progression? Ranks  etc? 

     

    PVE games who do pvp as an afterthought are never good  ... see wow

  • TuktzTuktz Atlanta, GAPosts: 299Member
    Originally posted by Margulis
    The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.

    CU is a compeltely different game, and 2-3 years away, whereas TESO is <1 year.

     

    I'm probably going to play TESO until CU, (thats like 2-3 years), and then maybe both after that, depending...

     

    CU is a lot more sandboxy in terms of where you can build structures/keeps/forts/towers/towns/houses/guildhouses/inns, and a lot more oldschool in a lot of the social ineraction stuff.

     

    TESO sounds a lot more modern with a lot of that kind of stuff.

     

    The styles are going to be very different. I for one, like both though.

     

    I'll still want some PVE in my life, and CU isn't going to have much in the way of that (except for grinding mobs for crafting mats).

     

    I see TESO as more competing with wow, GW2, SWTOR, RIFT, and the like.

    CU isn't a direct competitor to any of those. It's a much smaller niche that want a nearly 100% RVR game.

     

    Besides, CU doesn't need massive subs to succeed, because of the lack of PVE. PVE content is devoured nearly faster than most company's can make it. They will probably be more profitable with 50k subs than TESO is with 250k LOL.

     

    I want to support TESO and CU both, because competition is good, and I like to keep my options open.

    I know a lot of old DAOC players are excited about TESO for the RVR/AVA, well what if it's not all it's cracked up to be, like WVW in GW2. Or it may be awesome. Who knows.

    If you support both, you can make a better choice in 2-3 years. But if I'm still enjoying the PVE in TESO when CU is out, I'll probably just play both for different "fixes".

     

     

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Originally posted by Margulis The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.
    ESO is IMO the spiritual successor to DAoC because it offers everything DaoC does.  CU is nothing more then a persistent fantasy based Planetside 2.  CU will be lucky to garner 50k subs and ESO will most likely top 3+ million easily.
    This is the core problem of ESO. Instead of becoming the FIRST Elder Scrolls MMORPG, it is only just the remake of DAOC.

     

    This is why it will fail


     

    because it offers rvr style pvp? so if it didn't offer optional rvr pvp it would be a success? or do you think the combat and game mechanics resembles daoc as well?

    having the option to go to cyrodiil and pvp is not what will make this game "fail"

    faction lock is the only feature of this game adopted from daoc that has an impact on this game failing and i honestly don't think it will have a big impact at all in that regard.

     

     

     

     

    Gotta give props to those who continue to make these bold assumptions that addition by subtraction makes a great game.

     

    I'll never be able to fathom why adding something ontop of a core is considered bad.  Its like Hey here try some Vanilla Icecream and they like wow this stuff is great, then when someone puts chocolate syrup on top of that it automatically becomes bad.  1+1 > 1.  Now if you dont like chocolate thats fine then you can scrape it off and enjoy the richness of vanilla again.  Same here is this game, you dont klike ESO because it contains RvR......well for F**K's SAKE DONT PLAY THE G*D D***ED RvR and stick to the PvE side of the game which is going to be full on Elder Scrolls experience.  Adding something on top of that doesnt make it a bad game!

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by will75

    ESO will be dead by the time CU comes out, if it even does.So what does it matter? Where's rift now? Where's Aion now? Where's AOC now? Where's SWTOR now? Where's GW2 now? (ok... but you gotta admit, the WvW is horrible implemented). Really? I can carry more supplies because i'm rank 2? lol?

     

     

    Maybe i'm ignorant. but is ESO not a PVE game first? Then PvP? Will the best gear in PVP be equal to pve gear? Will there be PVP progression? Ranks  etc? 

     

    PVE games who do pvp as an afterthought are never good  ... see wow

    Its ok to be ignorant because you are, but its not ok to be ignorant and base assuptions and proclaim something something as fact.  I.e. You saying ESO will be Dead without even knowing the specifics of the game displays great hubris.  next time leave the prognostication to people who at least know about the game.

     

    ESO is not a PvE or a PvP game.  It is a game which is offereing many systems to intice many sorts of players.  Might want to watch the mmorpg.com Pax East Developer roundtable to listen to Matt Firor talk about what ESO is and isn't.

     

    Ohh and there is no PvP gear.....theres just gear.  So chalk another round of misinformation up on your naive part.

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by baphamet   Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs Originally posted by azzamasin Originally posted by Margulis The hardcore fans of the series aren't happy, for the most part, because of the big focus on PvP with the RvR end game component, along with a few other game mechanics of course.  However, many fans of DAoC are really looking forward to it becuase of these same reasons.  But with Camelot Unchained coming and being even more of a pseudo sequel to DAoC than this game wouldn't RvR fans go to that game more than this one?  Sure some fans of the Elder Scrolls series who also like that form of content may stick around, but I think Camelot Unchained is likely going to steal a huge chunck of people that the devs were hoping to capture by making the endgame RvR focused.  Then you have the large crowd of unhappy PvE focused fans who either will never play or play some but still be a bit bitter about what could of been with an Elder Scrolls mmo.  So it will be interesting to see how things all pan out in the end.
    ESO is IMO the spiritual successor to DAoC because it offers everything DaoC does.  CU is nothing more then a persistent fantasy based Planetside 2.  CU will be lucky to garner 50k subs and ESO will most likely top 3+ million easily.
    This is the core problem of ESO. Instead of becoming the FIRST Elder Scrolls MMORPG, it is only just the remake of DAOC.   This is why it will fail
      because it offers rvr style pvp? so if it didn't offer optional rvr pvp it would be a success? or do you think the combat and game mechanics resembles daoc as well? having the option to go to cyrodiil and pvp is not what will make this game "fail" faction lock is the only feature of this game adopted from daoc that has an impact on this game failing and i honestly don't think it will have a big impact at all in that regard.        
    Gotta give props to those who continue to make these bold assumptions that addition by subtraction makes a great game.

     

    I'll never be able to fathom why adding something ontop of a core is considered bad.  Its like Hey here try some Vanilla Icecream and they like wow this stuff is great, then when someone puts chocolate syrup on top of that it automatically becomes bad.  1+1 > 1.  Now if you dont like chocolate thats fine then you can scrape it off and enjoy the richness of vanilla again.  Same here is this game, you dont klike ESO because it contains RvR......well for F**K's SAKE DONT PLAY THE G*D D***ED RvR and stick to the PvE side of the game which is going to be full on Elder Scrolls experience.  Adding something on top of that doesnt make it a bad game!


    yeah, many people here seem to think that TESO is a Daoc clone and are spreading misinformation.

    all the solid confirmed information that is out there from pax confirms its nothing like Daoc other than the optional pvp and faction lock.


    but yet so many insist its more like Daoc than anything, i mean really?

    mmorpg.com forums are funny like that sometimes...


  • MoraxoMoraxo VispPosts: 17Member
    Originally posted by Eol-

    CU on the other hand will be massively affected by ESO, to the extent CU is even a realistic possibility which I doubt. What dumbass will put millions into CU with ESO just around the corner? The only real hope IMO for CU is for ESO to massively fail, and even then it will take a long time, and frankly I think thats pretty unrealistic.

    I highly doubt ESO will affect CU much. My opinion about ESO aside, they have a vastly different target audience.

    CU is a niche game, lacking a lot of features that make modern MMORPG's popular, and focusing mostly on the nostalgic, tired-of-WoW-clones, RvR-loving audience. ESO on the other hand is an "AAA" title, trying to attract as many players as possible by offering lots and lots of casual-friendly content to make up for the high development costs.

    That's exactly what the CU crowd is trying to avoid, and while some do want both, they might not want it in the same game. If CU funds and ESO does well, CU will keep its dedicated playerbase. If CU funds and ESO fails, maybe a couple 100 players will hop over but not much will change either.

  • Eol-Eol- houston, TXPosts: 274Member
    Originally posted by Moraxo
    Originally posted by Eol-

    CU on the other hand will be massively affected by ESO, to the extent CU is even a realistic possibility which I doubt. What dumbass will put millions into CU with ESO just around the corner? The only real hope IMO for CU is for ESO to massively fail, and even then it will take a long time, and frankly I think thats pretty unrealistic.

    I highly doubt ESO will affect CU much. My opinion about ESO aside, they have a vastly different target audience.

    CU is a niche game, lacking a lot of features that make modern MMORPG's popular, and focusing mostly on the nostalgic, tired-of-WoW-clones, RvR-loving audience. ESO on the other hand is an "AAA" title, trying to attract as many players as possible by offering lots and lots of casual-friendly content to make up for the high development costs.

    That's exactly what the CU crowd is trying to avoid, and while some do want both, they might not want it in the same game. If CU funds and ESO does well, CU will keep its dedicated playerbase. If CU funds and ESO fails, maybe a couple 100 players will hop over but not much will change either.

    I find it hard to believe that people who liked DAoC wont give ESO a try. And if the game is a success, a lot of them might like it and stay. Two games with endgame RvR wouldnt have overlapping player bases? Really??

    Elladan - ESO (AD)
    Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
    Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
    Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
    Kili - WoW
    Eol - Lineage 2
    Camring - SWG
    Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC

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