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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by NecromanticD
    Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

    So being the worst games industry company has nothing to do with whether the games are fun?

    If I was stuck on a magical deserted island with a one-company-only firewall, EA might not be my first choice, but it would absolutely be way above many minor poorly-known companies who haven't ever released anything fun.

    It's interesting that gameplay isn't all that matters for many players in this discussion, and that gamers so easily fall for the Big Scapegoat Company rather than voting for companies which are truly bad.

    That's an argument for quantity over quality.

    I've only played two EA games, and they were both astoundingly awful.  As in, whoever thought that this game was ready to release should be fired awful.  And they were console games, so you can't just update them later.  Well, EA kind of updated them later, by selling the updated version as an entirely new game that you'd have to pay for all over again.  Speaking of which, EA was the pioneer in trying to convince people to rebuy the same game with only minor tweaks every single year, which is yet another reason why they deserve the award.

    Well I don't know about that as there are a number of studios that have done this since the NES era, many of those titles were essentially the same game with different skins, I'd be quicker to hand such an award to Activision as they're a huge offender in this and always have been. Look at Koei they've been making the same damn game for what feels like decades.

    Besides doesn't this describe this very genre fairly well, at least since 04?

    Making fairly similar games is one thing.

    Making almost exactly the same game except that you updated the player rosters to be a year more recent, as EA has so often done with its sports games, is quite another.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

    I've avoided anything EA made for about 18 years or so now.  Have the people who say that the oil companies are worse avoided buying anything made from or using oil in the last year?  How about the last week?  The last five seconds, even?  In many places, the electricity you're using right now to read this forces an answer of "no" to that last one.

    You might say, but you can't because so many things use oil.  But that's just it:  the big oil companies make so much of modern technology possible.  Take away the fossil fuels (and if you hate oil companies, you should probably hate coal companies for about the same reasons) and most of modern industrialization never happens.  The only major energy sources other than burning fossil fuels are hydroelectric (which is limited by geography) and nuclear (which is advanced enough that humanity may not have discovered it yet without fossil fuels to help us along).

    I'd be open to an argument along the lines of, "This particular oil company is worse than EA, because just like EA is so much worse than most gaming companies, this particular oil company is so much worse than most other oil companies for these reasons."  But no one seems to be making that argument.  If you want to make the argument that all oil companies are evil but you'll help fund them anyway because you like the products that they make possible, then either you're a hypocrite or claiming to be evil yourself.

  • IsturiIsturi Phoenix, AZPosts: 1,509Member
    If any thing this thread has prove that EA is not the best game company in America. It should prove intreasting if EA wins tomorrow. If they do win will they care? Will they try to be a better company? Give us better customer care? Give us better games and not just redone games? Prob not.

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  • IsturiIsturi Phoenix, AZPosts: 1,509Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

    I've avoided anything EA made for about 18 years or so now.  Have the people who say that the oil companies are worse avoided buying anything made from or using oil in the last year?  How about the last week?  The last five seconds, even?  In many places, the electricity you're using right now to read this forces an answer of "no" to that last one.

    You might say, but you can't because so many things use oil.  But that's just it:  the big oil companies make so much of modern technology possible.  Take away the fossil fuels (and if you hate oil companies, you should probably hate coal companies for about the same reasons) and most of modern industrialization never happens.  The only major energy sources other than burning fossil fuels are hydroelectric (which is limited by geography) and nuclear (which is advanced enough that humanity may not have discovered it yet without fossil fuels to help us along).

    I'd be open to an argument along the lines of, "This particular oil company is worse than EA, because just like EA is so much worse than most gaming companies, this particular oil company is so much worse than most other oil companies for these reasons."  But no one seems to be making that argument.  If you want to make the argument that all oil companies are evil but you'll help fund them anyway because you like the products that they make possible, then either you're a hypocrite or claiming to be evil yourself.

    And if those same people who say that the oil companies are worse will they still buy oil for their cars?

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon
    Remember that to win the contest tomorrow, EA doesn't have to be the worst company in America.  They only have to be worse than Ticketmaster.  And then, in the finals, the "winner" of Comcast and Bank of America.
  • MagiknightMagiknight McKinleyville, CAPosts: 782Member
    The casinos are at least as bad as all of the companies named in this thread.
  • MalinkadinkMalinkadink From, NJPosts: 79Member

    Time and time again its been deduced that corporate EA is only interested in their pocketbooks. Even some developers care more about the money than the quality of their product. If something is a big name game like Star Wars i feel that they ride on the success that the name alone will bring them in sales, which in turn makes them less likely to produce something deemed very good and will add to the gameplay in a positive way. 

    Now most of us are impatient and wants games ASAP, and EA is good at getting games out ASAP, but it translates to usually being an unpolished product. The sad part is not only does EA take the heat for a poorly finished game but the studio that developed it gets flamed as well, which is unfair when they had tight deadlines and couldnt fix everything. Luckily it usually works out in the longrun when the game is out the door it will be patched and remedied for better or worse, but by then its already too late at times.

    As for EA being the worst company in America, no that is a foolish statement, but are they the worst when it comes to the gaming industry, yeah i think i would label them the worst. They killed the good that was my beloved Command and Conquer series, and it amazes me how they managed to do that when the formula for the game was already there and practically perfect. All they had to do was continue down the path Westwood had been going and continue with the Tiberium universe and obviously bring the graphical improvements with newer games.

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon

    This really depends on your perspective.

    While there are companies that globally do a lot more damage than EA, I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of internal damage a company like EA actually does. Their entire business model is based off of acquiring talented studios and driving them into the ground. I think they've closed more gaming studios than another other company in the industry. Furthermore, though they've gotten better about it, they have a pretty notorious track record for abusing their artists. Practices like overworking artists, without paying overtime + no benefits are just the start. They're have been cases of them flat out not paying people who have worked on their games in the past.

    That said, the company has gotten better when it comes to its artists, especially after all the legal issues they've had to deal with. However, they are still one of the most destructive companies in the gaming industry, and it does have an effect on the overall economy.

    Personally, I wouldn't say they are 'the' worst company in America, but I'd say they deserve to be in the top 5.

  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon

    Well various companies could win the "worst" label in certain categories. Ethics, success, destruction, pollution and so on. It would be difficult to say any one company is the overall worst.

    But like others have said, in the gaming world EA is the worst. They absorb good development houses and obliterate them, they churn out crap and repeatedly show how little they care for their customers.

    I haven't purchased an EA game for ages, at least since ps2 was current gen.

  • HelleriHelleri Felton, CAPosts: 927Member Uncommon

    I voted yes, given what I felt was the nature of the question (aside from how open the phrasing of the question leaves itself to semantical arguments).

    Worst can be taken to mean (in my mind) quality vs price of product, transperency for earnings vs. spending, honesty in public relations, quality of employment etc. etc...and within their realm, and within the continental U.S.A....yeah probably.

    If your talking about worst in general worldwide...walmart hands down (walmart has litterally let employess burn to death to save a buck...a savings they pass on to us with their rolebacks).

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  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

    /Snip

    To say BP isn't more 'evil' than EA is laughable at best and 'lost all perspective' at the worst.

    Yeah, remember the 'Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill of 2010'?

    4.9 billion barrels of oil spill onto the ocean VS whatever company EA 'destroyed'

    I mean c'mon, you really going to compare THAT?

     

    How about ExxonMobil with their wonderful Mayflower oil spill of 2013?

    Lets get some perspective cause my god, the 'I hate EA' is a bit out of control.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

    /Snip

    To say BP isn't more 'evil' than EA is laughable at best and 'lost all perspective' at the worst.

    Yeah, remember the 'Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill of 2010'?

    4.9 billion barrels of oil spill onto the ocean VS whatever company EA 'destroyed'

    I mean c'mon, you really going to compare THAT?

     

    How about ExxonMobil with their wonderful Mayflower oil spill of 2013?

    Lets get some perspective cause my god, the 'I hate EA' is a bit out of control.

    If you try to transport something on the order of a million barrels of oil per day around the world, then occasionally you goof up and spill something.  It's not possible to always be perfectly safe and never make any mistakes.  That's as simple result of the massive volume that oil companies deal with.

    Would you argue that every car crash that kills anyone proves that the company that built the car is irredeemably evil?  Or are you willing to call that a case of if enough cars get driven enough, there are some crashes now and then?

    Given a choice between "there are oil spills now and then" and "most of modern industrialization never happens", I'd choose the former--and it's not a tough call.

  • IsturiIsturi Phoenix, AZPosts: 1,509Member

    EA won by a freakin landslide it was 78.89 for EA and Ticketmaster only got 21.11 that is percent of the votes and remind you guys this is not all just gamers that voted but from all sorts of people think about it it could of been from parents of a kid who had a very bad experience with EA food for thought.

    GRATS EA on your victory.

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  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon

    Oil companies aren't even near the worst of the worst.  Like I said earlier in a post, look at companies like GE and Johnson & Johnson, they're worse than anything that oil companies have done.  Nothing like a good tens of thousand maimings and killings that noone ever hears about.  There was a dryer recall last year because the idiots decided to put a cheap piece of plastic as a retaining bolt, when that snapped your dryer tub inside became a freaking rocket lol.  That hits closer to home...

     

    Then don't even get me started on medical companies...you want to know why every other commercial on tv is for some lawsuit for some drug or medical device?  These companies take how much it costs to produce thier device/drug, then they factor in malpractice cases, because they know it's going to harm people.  If it's profitable, then they go ahead with it...That's why they'll never cure anything major...there's no money to be made.  There's more money in keeping people sick and just treating symptoms, while people eventually die from the disease they have...yeah that's pretty twisted.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gravarg

    Then don't even get me started on medical companies...you want to know why every other commercial on tv is for some lawsuit for some drug or medical device?  These companies take how much it costs to produce thier device/drug, then they factor in malpractice cases, because they know it's going to harm people.  If it's profitable, then they go ahead with it...That's why they'll never cure anything major...there's no money to be made.  There's more money in keeping people sick and just treating symptoms, while people eventually die from the disease they have...yeah that's pretty twisted.

    Or maybe that's just because American society is a lot more litigious than it used to be.  Surely you're aware that some lawsuits are frivolous--and that a lawsuit being frivolous doesn't necessarily mean that it won't win massive payouts anyway.

    With any medical treatment, there are always costs and risks to weigh against the benefits.  A substantial chance of rather severe side effects can be justified if the consequences of not having it are severe enough.

    Compare the state of modern medicine to where it was a century ago.  If you were to go back in time a century and describe our health care system today, people wouldn't be appalled at how evil the big medical companies are.  They'd be amazed at how much longer and healthier lives we live today than people used to--and wouldn't understand why you thought the companies that made that happen were so evil.  Increasing median life expectancy at birth by about 30 years over the course of a century is unprecedented in recorded human history.

    Again, if you want to pick out one particular company that has a long string of doing remarkably awful things and pick it out as a major outlier in its industry--as EA is in the gaming industry--then go ahead.  But the entire medical industry, or even a large chunk of it, being evil?  I'm not buying that.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    if i had to pick the worst company in america -- it would be Monsanto ;)
  • LeahXtwoLeahXtwo Streetsboro, OHPosts: 30Member
    Originally posted by wordiz
    If you think EA is a worse company that Halliburton or Monsanto, or JP Morgan or Merrill Lynch...well, you're priorities are pretty jacked. I wouldn't even say they're the worst company in the entertainment or media industries. I would say they are the worst company in gaming...without a doubt.

    Agree. I mean this is the company that emploee wives and husbands sued and won.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member

    I voted YES... But allow me to explain.

    EA is the worst GAMING company out there. Hands down... But comparing a gaming company (and their evil ways) to a company like Monsanto and their Ilk is totally unfair and impossible and makes EA look positivey wonderful.

    -Also (if I remember right) the actual POLL this was ased upon put EA against Budweiser or something-

    Sp yeah... I voted YES because the poll is impossible to compare gaming companies and non gaming companies. EA may be shady, but they arent Blackwater... But compared to other AAA "gaming" companies (not counting certain Indies like SV and Electric Crow)- EA makes SOE look positivley Heavenly..

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
     

    If you try to transport something on the order of a million barrels of oil per day around the world, then occasionally you goof up and spill something.  It's not possible to always be perfectly safe and never make any mistakes.  That's as simple result of the massive volume that oil companies deal with.

    Would you argue that every car crash that kills anyone proves that the company that built the car is irredeemably evil?  Or are you willing to call that a case of if enough cars get driven enough, there are some crashes now and then?

    Given a choice between "there are oil spills now and then" and "most of modern industrialization never happens", I'd choose the former--and it's not a tough call.

    Let me get this straight, BP purposely ignored safety for $$$ which caused the Deepwater Horizon Oil spill.

    ExxonMobil with their Mayflower oil spill is actively engaging in media blackouts / bullying to keep it from being accurately reported and how it is being dealt with (it isn't, a bunch of  A4 size oil soak pads do ZERO against 260 tons of oil)

    Those two above are LESS EVIL than game companies that EA bought (legally I might add) and 'destroyed'?

    You really really want to compare that and argue that logic? REALLY?

     

    I knew some people didn't like EA but jeez....

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    The finals are now EA versus Bank of America.  If you wanted to vote for a bank as being more evil, then here's your chance.

  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member

    Not the worst (its on the top 10 tho)

    Its just the one that likes to punch the consumers balls most

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  • furbansfurbans Tinbucktwo, IAPosts: 965Member
    Atari beats EA as the worst company, but then they are bankrupt last I heard and not entirely sure they are based in America.
  • potacopotaco Hoffman Estates, ILPosts: 82Member

    I know it's been said before, but this is absolutely ridiculous. How could a game/entertainment company possibly be the worst in the country? Because you buy the games and don't like them? It's all optional... it's not like these things affect your lives the way other companies can. I hate to stereotype, but I'd have to assume a lot of people on this site are just too young to really understand how the world works. I just can't possibly understand how someone could try to justify it otherwise.

     

    It's not like people are voting for EA because of the way they treat their employees or something that actually matters... people are complaining about games as if it's a matter of life and death. Give me a break.

  • YizleYizle Atlanta, GAPosts: 517Member
    Yeah sorry I had to say no since you said worse company in America. If you had worded it better such as worse gaming company then I would change my answer to yes.
  • RossbossRossboss Runes of Magic, TXPosts: 240Member
    They are. By far, the worst company in America. They consistently screw over their users, they have a monopoly on the most ridiculous sports games, and they put cash shops in single player games.

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