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Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by Aerowyn
... but i do find it amusing when people say gw2 is "pointless" but other games like Rift or Tera have a "point"
Yeah, it's always some small print too, like "Well it has a point... but that point starts at level (insert # here)."
Honestly, GW2 is pretty much the ONLY MMO I've ever played where I was having fun at level 1.
well for me if I don't find a game at least "fun" in some sense at level 1 It probably isn't a game for me honestly.. i will say GW2 has had the most to offer imho from a level 1 perspective in this type of game though
Yeah. Well, I try to give every game a chance. Your way makes much more sense, but if I went by that rule, I wouldn't play much of anything relating to MMO's since most of them honestly don't seem to want to entertain you until you're level 10+, or in TERA's case, level 20+. I just don't see the point. The good thing, however, is that it really doesn't take that long in today's MMO to get there. It just doesn't make me want to see the rest of the game very badly either, unfortunately.
I don't have to play anything but GW2 to appreciate GW2. The game suits me very well. I prefer combat that is higher paced and I prefer cosmetic rewards.
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Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
GW1 was probably one of the worst buys I have ever made. Bought the collectors edition, and going from classic MMO's like DAoC and WoW, it was a true dissappointment you had to click to move etc. It was so bad I cannot describe how shitty it was.
GW2 felt great. But I got burned out when I did hit 80, and I never looked back. WvWvW seemed fun but was buggy and you had to run all the time when you died. No fun in that.
TSW was also bad. Bad animations.
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GW1, though yeah... bit silly to compare that way. Of the B2P models, GW2 (I feel) has the most Pay 2 Win model out there, just for the fact power is so limited so having that money (which can directly be bought in game) is quite a big advantage. Its bareable mind you, but its definently one thats on the iffy side for me and with the way its set up with WvW kind of benefiting from buying seige tools, it does feel that way. Yes you can earn it in game, but to me being able to BUY ease is always P2W to a degree, even in games I enjoy like Aion or Tera with just even exp boosts, GW2 just pushes it that much more.
I just can't appreciate its 'model' when it directly offers IN GAME GOLD which has more purpose then ever from other MMos to determining the ability of your character or who will win WvW. Not the worst model but its definently not one I'd inspire others to want to follow.
As for GW2 having more... eh... not really... but hey if you enjoy what it DOES have, theres no real reason to argue against it. Diablo 2 literally had very little to go about doing (repeating acts a dozen times) but I had a place with less content to do and had a blast with it compared to other games I could of played.
Originally posted by MikeJezZ Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
i agree on GW1.. sorta liked it when it first launched but lost interest fast.. tried to get back into it for the hall of monuments and couldn't suffer my way through any of it.. just don't care for that one at all
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No, you could click to move, or use wasd or hold the mouse button.
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well, I don't play GW2 anymore as found it very boring after like 400 h of playing.
here people would argue that console game last as long, cost as much. May be, can't tell as never played console games.
GW1 got me for like 10h per day for like 2 years, may be more. I would play even more only some bad updates killed population there, I lost my game mates and quite playing.
TBH I don't even see b2p games, except GW1 and GW2 + secret world (so far I have not bought SW so have no idea), so I can't even guess which game I need to compare with GW2, OP?
so far my conclusion is, sorry to tell: for 60$ I would better appreciate 4 months of WoW or like 2 years (if not more) of some fun f2p.
GW2 to me is great graphic and very pretty game, but that all....
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
You probably made the same mistake as a lot of people did, assuming that GW1 was an MMO. It wasn't, it never claimed to be, and it still doesn't.
GW1 was more like a multiplayer co-op KotOR. It had decent tech for it's time, and was expanded upon for close to a decade. If you bought the game thinking it was an MMO, you may want to be more careful about what you buy in the future. Do some research before buying.
Originally posted by jtcgs Originally posted by Bad.dog For every person who thinks a LFG tool is an important feature....there is another person that thinks a LFG tool is just a crutch for the socially handicappped twitch society gamer .
And for every one of those people there is another thinking that anyone that believes sitting in a town continually saying LFG for an hour is a socially handicapped 56kbps modem gamer that apprently would rather be standing around doing nothing instead of actually logging in and playing the game right away.
Wrong track ....we use to have things called guilds (where you use to do things with your friends ) being socially handicapped is where you are so selfish that logging in and playing the game right away is the only thing you understand . To be honest I'd at least give someone that tried for a group in a town the benefit of the doubt , LFG just strikes me as a tool used by someone so selfish they can't even take the time to make friends
Originally posted by Lovely_Laly well, I don't play GW2 anymore as found it very boring after like 400 h of playing. here people would argue that console game last as long, cost as much. May be, can't tell as never played console games.
Ha! I wish console games or single player PC games lasted me even half as long. I wish every game was interesting for at least 400 hours.
Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by Aerowyn
... but i do find it amusing when people say gw2 is "pointless" but other games like Rift or Tera have a "point"
Yes you are right. If a MMO doesn't pull you in at low levels i don't see why players would grind to some specific level to 'unlock' the fun.
That is what i keep hearing on Definace forums. If someone says 'hey i need more variety, everything i so repetitive'. The typical answer is' you ego is too low level, cap is 5000, keep playing the fun starts at 1000"
Why does one have to go through boring and repetitve tasks to get to the fun part?
Originally posted by Leiloni GW2 certainly is a full featured game but it has it's problems. The combat for one thing leaves a lot to be desired. Sure, it's fun to play around with and while you level up to 80 and play through the various types of content it's fun, but as a long term MMO, the combat gets boring. It's not fun to do the dungeons at all, nor is the PvP (either structured BGs or WvW) fun long term. Not to mention, there is no sense of server community. Even as a solo player in other games, you get a fun sense of your server's community and you feel like you're a part of it. GW2 is a game to play casually up to 80 and then it gets old very fast. TSW has it's flaws as well but feels much more like a traditional MMO. The combat is different enough but still keeps to the traditional trinity enough to be fun in dungeons and group content. The storyline and questing model is one of the best and really is what makes this game. I haven't reached endgame yet but this is a game I'd come back to again and again. Not sure I'd make it my main game, but the fact that it's worth returning to already puts it above GW2. And I have spent money in their cash shop whereas I have never wanted to spend any money in GW2's cash shop. GW2 did a lot of interesting things but the wide variety of content is overshadowed by the sub par combat and lack of any community in the game. It could have been something really great, but they fell short. I'd rather play a game with less features but that has good combat and any sort of community, because those are the two things that make up an MMO. Number 1 is other people - playing with others is what makes an MMO an MMO and for me, it's what makes them fun and worth sticking around for. Secondly is the combat - that's what you are doing for the entirety of the game. If the combat isn't fun, it doesn't matter how much content they have if I can't even get myself to do it. That being said neither of those games are worth being your main game so I don't think the B2P model really has anything to do with it. I'll play a game if it's F2P or P2P as long as it's good.
If you think GW2 combat is bad what is your definition of a good MMO combat?
GW2's combat is its strong suit and is IMO the best combat in any MMO in the last 14+ years.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Originally posted by Bad.dog Originally posted by TwoThreeFour Originally posted by Maephisto Originally posted by TwoThreeFour Originally posted by Bigdaddyx (...) GW2 is the most feature rich MMO and Anet certainly doesn't pull up any excuses while giving us all the basic features and more that MMO players have come to expect. (...)
For better or worse, MMO players have come to expect a proper LFD-system on release as a basic feature. So I disagree with your statement.
GW2 does have a LFG tool. The fact it was made by the community and not Anet means little.
It works great. It fills the need for that function, leaving Anet to focus on other things.
The statement refers to what GW2 gives and thus implying to what Arenanet implemented in GW2, not what the community did.
For every person who thinks a LFG tool is an important feature....there is another person that thinks a LFG tool is just a crutch for the socially handicappped twitch society gamer .
By its very definistion and typical sterotype is the vast majority of MMO gamers.
Not having a Dungeon Finder or a LFG tool in an instanced based high end content game is asanine and idiotic. Not everyone is a social being, typeA personality or an extrovert. Most MMO players are not those and for those of us who arent leading or forming your own group is not an option and only another introvert could understand. Period!
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by Aerowyn
fun ended in almost 100 hours for me in gw2, so whats the point to go through boredom in order to get to fun part? if i ever get there again.
i play what ever i play, because i have fun the momment i play it and not for some time in the future. its a game, not an investment.
this applies to all games and not only to gw2 ofc
Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by MikeJezZ Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
Thankfully, back then I was in GW1 beta, so I saw what kind of game it was and therefore didn't buy it when it was released.
I bought it later out of boredom, and couldn't endure it very long, PvE is so bad and the world so boring. Its among the very few games, along with Rift and Warhammer Online, that I kinda "regret" purchasing, as it was a waste of my money.
I eventually came back hoping to unlock some hall of monuments stuff for GW2, but the game is still so bad I couldn't stomach it very long either. Graphics are dated, character controls are clunky and limited (no jumping, it's a 2D game), the instanced world is dead and just as boring as the combat is.
For me, there's no contest, GW2 is a much better game in every possible way compared to GW1.
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Originally posted by Bad.dog Originally posted by jtcgs Originally posted by Bad.dog For every person who thinks a LFG tool is an important feature....there is another person that thinks a LFG tool is just a crutch for the socially handicappped twitch society gamer .
Not all guild members will be on 24/7, or whenever you need them. I know a lot of guild members that couldn't raid because of their work schedule. Same with dungeons, since they only have a couple hours of playtime. The problem with you, is that you value your time over other people's time. MMO devs see this problem, yet the "hardcores" think they know what's best for everyone... they think socialization by wasting time is something of value.. which it's not.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter Originally posted by MikeJezZ Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
That is correct, let me clear myself out:
I meant, when i target someone, my character auto follows my enemy.
This is so bad in so many ways. I don't want my character to just follow my enemy while I smash 1-8 on my keyboard. It is just too nublet for me.
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I really hoped GW2 would be the MMORPG I would play for years...
Sadly each time I log in I can only keep it up for five minutes before I want to puke all over it.
Theres no real progression in the game. Funny thing is I dont like progression like in WoW. But I do not like I don't get anything for my playtime either.
I love PvP. I hate the game decides what spells I have when I select a weapon etc.
I love two hander swords, but the playstyle is not me, on the Guardian etc.
Originally posted by Nadia Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
depends on the player
i personally enjoyed GW1 more but none of my friends liked GW1
many of my friends enjoy GW2
I too enjoyed GW1 more than GW2. But I also like GW2. However, all of my friends don't like GW2 for some reason and most of them loved GW1 But I guess that's because none of them enjoy playing MMOs that much as they find the whole solo leveling up tedious and not challenging at all.
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At the end of the day, comparing GW1 to GW2 is similar to comparing Diablo to World of Warcraft. It's two completely different games, of a different genre (one is a MMORPG, the other not), and therefore for different people.
It seems to me that there's a quite large part of the people who enjoy GW2 who would never have played GW1.
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard At the end of the day, comparing GW1 to GW2 is similar to comparing Diablo to World of Warcraft. It's two completely different games, of a different genre (one is a MMORPG, the other not), and therefore for different people. It seems to me that there's a quite large part of the people who enjoy GW2 who would never have played GW1.
Or DID play GW1 and wanted to punch a baby for doing so.
I am currently playing Defiance and I enjoy it. And so far have spent way more time in it than I have in GW2.Now by my saying that am I saying one game is better or worse? No I am not, but it hasn't made me appreciate GW2 any more.
Originally posted by Purutzil GW1, though yeah... bit silly to compare that way. Of the B2P models, GW2 (I feel) has the most Pay 2 Win model out there, just for the fact power is so limited so having that money (which can directly be bought in game) is quite a big advantage. Its bareable mind you, but its definently one thats on the iffy side for me and with the way its set up with WvW kind of benefiting from buying seige tools, it does feel that way. Yes you can earn it in game, but to me being able to BUY ease is always P2W to a degree, even in games I enjoy like Aion or Tera with just even exp boosts, GW2 just pushes it that much more. I just can't appreciate its 'model' when it directly offers IN GAME GOLD which has more purpose then ever from other MMos to determining the ability of your character or who will win WvW. Not the worst model but its definently not one I'd inspire others to want to follow. As for GW2 having more... eh... not really... but hey if you enjoy what it DOES have, theres no real reason to argue against it. Diablo 2 literally had very little to go about doing (repeating acts a dozen times) but I had a place with less content to do and had a blast with it compared to other games I could of played.
- you can have as much gold as you want and you won't be able to win WvWvW
- you can buy blueprints or even get them for free by doing the jumping puzzles in the battlegrounds
- even with tons of blueprints you can't win cause you need to have the supply needed to build them and enough people with you to use them
- if a side ends up being the underdog, they are getting a NPC general that is helping them to strike back and grab a tower by leading them, spawning siege weapons and a dolyak that keeps giving them supply while defending them with invulnerabilty till the building of the weapons is done
So what you are saying when it comes to this and the P2W which isn't even existant in this game, is ridicoulos and doesn't make any sense.
GW2 is indeed a very rich game when it comes to the features, maybe you should go through them before you keep typing missinformations of something you probably didn't even play?
- Diablo 2 or the whole series is a hack & slash dungeon crawler and not comparable to any mmo.
If you had a blast with it, I'm honestly happy for you but this has nothing to do with GW2 lacking features or the topic itself.
A few things in general:
- people that say that this game is not community friendly should ask themselves why they are not more communicative towards others, instead of blaming a game that is giving them the freedom of choice for interaction, instead of forcing them to interact with others by hindering their progress like other games do.
- a LFG tool was in the game since the beginning, people mostly aren't using it because they don't like that it's more optional then in other games
- WOW didn't started the LFG tools, nor did it had one first
As about the B2P method I'm all for it.
Started in GW1 in its first world preview in 2004, got into the closed betas and started immediately.
Stayed for 5+ years, then dropped in once in a while without worrying and even went back last year to finish my hall of monuments stuff so I can grab all the rewards I wanted in GW2.
Played GW2 a few months, then only occassionaly (still do).
The game is still fun and with everything that is being added overtime even more.
That's also it's main beauty, it doesn't only offer lots of stuff to do, it also gives me the freedom to take a pause and jump back in whenever I want again with no worry that :
"I payed my monthly subscription without playing the whole month" OR "can't do X content because I don't have this armor or this weapon or this rank or this certain build or certain party members".
Things that are sure to come our way I'm looking forward to:
- Giuld Halls
- More Mini Games
All their events were a blast so far and the "Super Adventure Box" is one of its kind (Loved It!).
I had the same experience. Had to play most of GW1 solo or with randoms because my core gamer buddies didn't like it. Loved the storyline, skill hunting and dual class system though. Oh and the PvP was amazing!
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard Those who pretend GW2 has no community need to realize the problem most likely comes from themself, and not the game. When people who are playing have no problems making friends and meeting people, and you can't, then the problem obviously comes from yourself. Mechanics like forced grouping and dungeon/raiding NEVER made good communities, it always created communities where the goal was to use each other to gain new shiny purple trinkets. It breeds a player base of greedy asshats who only use others to achieve their own goals. To say it more bluntly: don't blame the game for your inability to socialize when not forced to by game mechanics. GW2 has by far a much better and more friendly community than the WoW clones and their gear greedy elitist asshat communities. In GW2, you benefit of helping each other, while in most WoW clones, it's all about rolling higher than your supposed "friends" in order to get the loot rewards. Not hard to guess what game breeds the best and most friendly community. Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by pauly6478 I would argue that you would have to play GW1 to realize just how bad GW2 is :]
I had to play GW1 to realize how good pretty much everything else is.
Quoted for emphasis.
No not really. The GW2 community is one of the worst that I have ever seen. There really is little to no communication. There is no reason to communicate. I would say that it is me if I was the only one saying that, but there are tons of posts on many different sites that all say the same thing. Where there is smoke, there is fire. That is my 2 cents at any rate......
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