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So after reading the links, you no longer feel that Jasons message to MMORPG.com, which clearly mentioned illegal activities to include slander, liable and defamation of character, which also included links to legal action taken against people for doing these things on the internet and which also asked for these posts to be removed from the site in NO WAY could have been perceived as a threat of legal action against the people at MMORPG.com?
Seriously, I have no beef with Mr. Appleton. I'm not interested in his game and I'm not mad that some people might find his game and ideas a lot of fun. We each have different tastes and likes and that makes the world a more interesting place. What I do have an issue with is people who refuse to accept the truth. Both you and Mr. Appleton fall into this category and here is why.
1. Mr. Appleton clearly has some issues keeping his emotions under control and making knee-jerk reactionary business decisions. That is not the kind of guy I want leading the design of my next MMO and sadly, he does not get it. In his world, it is sound business practice to buy assets and change directions as often as he wishes without doing any sort of plan or research. This has clearly been shown in his game engine flip-flops and his price-model changes. He should have hired a real lead designer with some experience and he should have planned his project out better. The fact that he had to change engines, change price model AND ask for more money clearly shows his lack of business sense.
2. For anyone to think that getting a message from Mr. Appleton that mentions illegal actions and links to legal action taken against people on the internet and NOT think that it could IN ANY WAY be taken as a threat of legal action is absolutely ridiculous. Blind fanboism is just as bad for todays gaming forums as the hatred being spewed.
I dont agree with anyone saying Mr. Appleton is a thief or a scam artist and I honestly believe he is trying to design and produce a game that our industry really needs. I just dont believe he has the business sense or ability to pull it off and create a MMO that scores above 70 when PCGamer reviews it. Because of that, I wont be donating to his dream but I do understand why some people would and I hold them no ill will. I just feel bad that they wont be getting the game they think. This all happened a few years back when Henrik started Mortal Online. Great idea, lots of hype and potential, but in the end, truely sad business ethics and poor management could not be overcome. History is repeating itself.
This is definitely the most entertaining thread I have seen in awhile on mmorpg.com. It blows my mind why the Greed Mongers Devs keep posting on this site. If you don't want negative criticism, stop posting, it's as simple as that.
The GM devs try so hard at trolling there has to be a reason behind it. They just smell of Scam artists, because nobody can be this incompetent, can they ?
What kills me is that MMORPG.com capitulated so easily to a threat such as a frivolous lawsuit. This sets a precedent. That pecedent being, that if any developer or publisher doesn't like what is being said about their game - they can just threaten MMORPG.com with a lawsuit(frivolous at that) and have comments, articles, blogs or anything related to a game removed.
MMORPG.com is a privately owned business, and doesn't fall under the laws of freedom of speech(in that they can moderate what people say), but if a person post something, MMORPG.com cannot be held liable - only the party that made the comment can. Even in such a case, as has been brought up here were the party says he was slandered by commenters and it is hurting his business - he doesn't have a business as of yet in the gaming industry. He has no product. So therefore he has no grounds to sue under any reason that is currently on the law books. If anything MMORPG.com should re-instate the forums for the game and information about the game, include warnings about the state of the game and the current issues of what has transpired - because
(17 USC § 107 - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use) allows for it.
If Jason wishes to persue it in a court of law, let him, and when he loses(and he will), MMORPG.com should counter sue for trying to squelch this companies first admendments rights(and under fair use copyright laws) - not the rights of the posters that use the forum, but their own rights under the same admendment that Jason seems to want to deny. Then have Jason, pay court cost, and any damages brought to MMORPG.com because of Jason and his need try to squelch people from discussing his game.
If this is going to be the norm from now on, will we have to have our post, blogs and articles cleared for publication because some publisher of game developers don't like what we have to say?
But...But... He is going to get the "Lodge" involved!!!
-Hinting at his powerful connections with the highly relevant (and ubur powerful) Scottich Rite of Freemasonry (since Appleton would clearly not be satisfied with the Blue Logge)
Next thing you know he will be xzying "I hear you are a traveling man- How Old is your Grandmother" and throwing out virtual hanmdshakes. (some will get the reference- Others will say WTF?)
Someone who actually is a Freemason wouldn't state or even imply that the organisation would act against anyone.
Dear Mr. Appleton,
As you already know my real name and you wrote me that nice personal message threatening me and threatening to go to my employer. I will be thrilled to hear from your lawyers and the suit you file. I am looking forward to it. I really do, honestly. I personally think these are empty threats of an individual that is out of touch with reality as many of your posts have shown. I do admire your ambition to be a viagra salesman, a loan officer, a record company CEO, a wrestling promoter, a magazine publisher, a politician and now a game developer but i doubt that anything will come out of this threat to sue.
Looking forward to hear from your lawyers,
Cheers | taus01
Here is a quick reminder:
i dont think its so much that they caved as they felt it wasnt worth thier time which honestly it isnt.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Jason has no grounds for a lawsuit whatsoever - none. No lawyer would file a lawsuit against MMORPG.com because they know that a judge would have their arse for doing so.
there was a old women who sued her neibers for makeing to much noise playing basket ball in the middle of the day and made a few hundred k in texas, you would be suprised what can win in a suit case these days the states are sue happy, like i said it isnt worth the timee, even a failed lawsuit has expense to both sides, and requires effect.
honestly with a crap game like this one it was just simpler to dump the forums then listen to his whineing, it would have been diffrent if it had been a major subject, or game company but for a small fry
it just not worth the bother of it.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Well on "fair use" alone, MMORPG.com can have a section on his game and there is nothing Jason can do. With that said, what worries me as a regular poster and somewhat frequent blogger, will MMORPG.com start pulling blogs, articles and comments just because some developer or publisher doesn't like what is being said about their game? I mean they did it for Jason, why stop there - do it for SOE, AE, whoever.
This is what concerns me.
true enough, but who knows what the future hold, i just think in this case it was more a headach then not so i agree with the action.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
I agree with the part where this was more of a headache than it was worth. Will MMORPG.com bend over and constantly take this from developers? It's possible I guess. If they do this community will just move on to another forum that does not. How much of that do you really believe people will take before they leave?
who knows, i only actully started posting here as a way to vent on my frusteration in the F2p vs P2P war.
after i got that out of my system ( and kinda sick of the whole argument) i stuck around for the bits of info you can dredge out of all the bul, oh and the entertainment, the argument here are just silly sometimes.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Dear Mr. Appleton,
As you already know my real name and you wrote me that nice personal message threatening me and threatening to go to my employer. I will be thrilled to hear from your lawyers and the suit you file. I am looking forward to it. I really do, honestly. I personally think these are empty threats of an individual that is out of touch with reality as many of your posts have shown. I do admire your ambition to be a viagra salesman, a loan officer, a record company CEO, a wrestling promoter, a magazine publisher, a politician and now a game developer but i doubt that anything will come out of this threat to sue.
Looking forward to hear from your lawyers,
Cheers | taus01
Here is a quick reminder:
That's some interesting stuff there... and if anything, it just keeps getting worse.I don't think that precedent will be problematic. Apparently it has been site policy to delist a game if the developer requests it for a while; that policy game into play when World War II Online was delisted. Delisting a game does not mean that the game can no longer be discussed; see this thread, for example.
People who have never heard of your game will never buy it. Being listed on this site means that more people find out about your game than would otherwise. That basically constitutes free advertising for your game. Game companies usually benefit from having their game listed here.
It gets better. I just discovered Mr. Appleton has sent me a message on Facebook with similar content to what he sent to MMORPG.com.
He warns me not to share this information which of cause is ridiculous. What this joker does not know is that his little disclaimer is complete rubbish.
An email disclaimer does not create a contract with an unintended recipient. Contracts require a “meeting of the minds” – they cannot be dictated unilaterally.
Gotta love the internet, its full of fun and excitement.
Cheers | taus01
WOW-
Let the witch hunt begin.
-Going to be searching Facebook is he? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
This dude is hilarious. I think MMO History is being made here.
I feel bad for the backers who are watching their $90,000+ pledges go nowhere. If only they could get them back and pledge to CU, which actually has a proven developer, not some guy who used to run MMA fights and decided to just make an MMORPG one day, like it was no big deal.
At least this horror show is providing some entertainment, but again, sucks for the backers.
That guy is amazing
Hes like, a internet tough guy on steroids
Man you should just had kept to the jack of all trades business
1 pissed anon is enough to get your name and life destroyed, think better than to point empty threats all over the place
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
im more intrested in know how he is going to prove who someone is in a court battle, unless they freely gave the info out since you know traceing peoples IPs is kinda illegal without federal authority
oh and i agree, i mean come on greed monger who the hell calls a game that and dousnt expect people to call it a scam.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Dear Mr. Appleton,
As you already know my real name and you wrote me that nice personal message threatening me and threatening to go to my employer. I will be thrilled to hear from your lawyers and the suit you file. I am looking forward to it. I really do, honestly. I personally think these are empty threats of an individual that is out of touch with reality as many of your posts have shown. I do admire your ambition to be a viagra salesman, a loan officer, a record company CEO, a wrestling promoter, a magazine publisher, a politician and now a game developer but i doubt that anything will come out of this threat to sue.
Looking forward to hear from your lawyers,
Cheers | taus01
That's some interesting stuff there... and if anything, it just keeps getting worse.It gets better. I just discovered Mr. Appleton has sent me a message on Facebook with similar content to what he sent to MMORPG.com.
He warns me not to share this information which of cause is ridiculous. What this joker does not know is that his little disclaimer is complete rubbish.
An email disclaimer does not create a contract with an unintended recipient. Contracts require a meeting of the minds they cannot be dictated unilaterally.
Gotta love the internet, its full of fun and excitement.
Cheers | taus01
I would also add that Mr. Appleton might wish to be a bit more restrained, lest he run afoul of Cyber Stalking / Harassment statutes that exist in a number of places... Sending messages similar to this one to several sites is heading down that road... (Oh, and saying something is "confidential" on the top of an email means less than nothing, unless both parties are bound by a separate agreement acknowledging that fact. Which you, as recipient, did not do.All I can say without getting banned from MMORPG.com is that greedmonger will fail due to its ignorant designer.
MMORPG.com keep fighting the good fight. Stick it to them!
That's not cool, bro and it will get this thread closed. Do not attack him personally. Please consider editing your post. Thank you.
nah after some of the things said before in this post i doubt it especilly since the guy is personally attacking other people as well.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.