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New Update: Making a Game Out of the Web

Corinthian-XCorinthian-X Horn Lake, MSPosts: 86Member

Not up on the KS page just yet but is on the official site.

http://camelotunchained.com/en/making-a-game-out-of-the-web/

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  • gylnnegylnne South Hutchinson, KSPosts: 320Member
    Originally posted by Corinthian-X

    Not up on the KS page just yet but is on the official site.

    http://camelotunchained.com/en/making-a-game-out-of-the-web/

    Wow this is bigger than we realize:)

  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    Does this mean, in laymens terms, we will see add-ons at a level we've never seen before? If that is the case, I may be worried. Even what he said about the archers worries me....should I be worried?

  • Plastic-MetalPlastic-Metal Highland Heights, KYPosts: 405Member

    Reserved.

    @Xobnas:  You shouldn't be worried right now.  It's not necessarily cloud computing, but it is an incredible step forward within the industry.

    My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

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  • VanshoodieVanshoodie Russellville, ALPosts: 34Member
    i have mixed feelings about this lol. If this is opening up so people can make script macros for combat then I will be hugely let down. 
  • MasahikoKobeMasahikoKobe Plantation, FLPosts: 51Member
    Originally posted by Xobdnas

    Does this mean, in laymens terms, we will see add-ons at a level we've never seen before? If that is the case, I may be worried. Even what he said about the archers worries me....should I be worried?

    It means alot of data is going to be aviliable to people to do what they want with as some point. It will allow field genreals to really disect the combat areas and look to see whats going on when. In terms of what it could do for the UI, that really depends on how much of the API they open. This would be something i guess would need alot of testing. I will say im surprised they went with HTML/Javascript over python/lua.

     

    Im interested to hear about the back end data structure. Items and player info is going to need to be much more protected than what they are giving access to but the ability to sniff out those poackets and make speed hacks/ Radar worry me to some extent. Im sure they will get it figured out though.

  • KappenWizKappenWiz Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 162Member
    Whoo boy, should be some forum activities tonight.
  • Corinthian-XCorinthian-X Horn Lake, MSPosts: 86Member

    We will also get to see out first 3d model today!

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained/posts

  • Father_JackFather_Jack Portland, ORPosts: 81Member
    Originally posted by MasahikoKobe
    Originally posted by Xobdnas

    Does this mean, in laymens terms, we will see add-ons at a level we've never seen before? If that is the case, I may be worried. Even what he said about the archers worries me....should I be worried?

    It means alot of data is going to be aviliable to people to do what they want with as some point. It will allow field genreals to really disect the combat areas and look to see whats going on when. In terms of what it could do for the UI, that really depends on how much of the API they open. This would be something i guess would need alot of testing. I will say im surprised they went with HTML/Javascript over python/lua.

     

    Im interested to hear about the back end data structure. Items and player info is going to need to be much more protected than what they are giving access to but the ability to sniff out those poackets and make speed hacks/ Radar worry me to some extent. Im sure they will get it figured out though.

    I think his point is; more people know html/Javascript. I'm a graphic designer, not even really web focused, but I feel very comfortable with html/Javascript, but don't have a clue about python/lua. So now I guess I can try making cool mods, and as a designer maybe they will even look good to.

  • VanshoodieVanshoodie Russellville, ALPosts: 34Member
    I am hoping that since they have talked about pride and balance that they won't release anything that could allow people to make addons that could cause unfair advantages. I hope
  • Father_JackFather_Jack Portland, ORPosts: 81Member
    Originally posted by Vanshoodie
    I am hoping that since they have talked about pride and balance that they won't release anything that could allow people to make addons that could cause unfair advantages. I hope

    I am so positive this is the case. I can't see them allowing any API to be availible that would give one user an advantage over another in the game, given thier stance on other issues.

  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    Hmm, I see boons and banes to that UI system, I guess that is fitting. 3d models! Hooray!

    I like the concept art colors. The armor looks a bit more over the top than I like, but then again it's the Elve faction and they always tend to be the most exaggerated relm, so if this is the max, I'm cool with it.

  • OldskooOldskoo Minneapolis, MNPosts: 189Member
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

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  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • MasahikoKobeMasahikoKobe Plantation, FLPosts: 51Member
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    Good news! theres no auction house to get bogged down by pages SQL querries!

  • tleartlear Toronto, ONPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    Thing with html/js is that there is a massive variability in the skill level of developers working with it and producing "results" well writen and otimized it can be incredibly fast, written by your typical "jquery" developer it can be a steaming pile of shit.

     

    GW2 auction house for example. There si absolutely no reason why that has to be slow it is just lazy shitty coding

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by tlear
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    Thing with html/js is that there is a massive variability in the skill level of developers working with it and producing "results" well writen and otimized it can be incredibly fast, written by your typical "jquery" developer it can be a steaming pile of shit.

     

    GW2 auction house for example. There si absolutely no reason why that has to be slow it is just lazy shitty coding

    Oh you want to enlighten us how you know the coding of ArenaNet? You got access to the source, please share.

    No, it is a terrible idea. HTML and JS are shit for client server applications that need performance like an MMO. No matter how much you optimize it. The overhead of JS to get just a small amount of data is ridiculous to a dedicated client server protocol or raw socket communication.

    Its a bad idea no mater how good you are.

     

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • OldskooOldskoo Minneapolis, MNPosts: 189Member
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    If you think what he described in the video is the same as what we have in GW2 - I flatly disagree. 

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  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon
    How about giving us some updates about the things that got us excited about the game in the first place: a 3 realm RvR MMO with no PvE with different races and classes in each realm and progression through RvR? I look forward to the Hib model video later today.

    Camelot Unchained Backer
    DAOC [retired]: R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R5 Healer

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    If you think what he described in the video is the same as what we have in GW2 - I flatly disagree. 

    You can do that, it does not change the fact that they both use HTML and Javascript. So silly... its going to be fun see this one fall flat on its ass.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • OldskooOldskoo Minneapolis, MNPosts: 189Member
    Originally posted by taus01
    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Originally posted by taus01

     

    All they are saying is that the UI is made in HTML. A TERRIBLE decision because HTML and javascipt are SLOW, INSECURE and most importantly EXPLOITABLE even for the amateur script kiddie.

    Take GW2 auction house. It is complete shit. Slow, unintuitive, buggy, had/has no features you expect: preview of weapons and items is missing, stats of items and weapons are missing. ( unless they patched it, i have not played in a few months. It was not there at the launch)

    HTML GUI is the worst idea ever for a game. Good luck with that, one more reason for me to wait until this project is actually released ion 2015.

    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    Our friends over at  City State Entertainment certainly aren't afraid of taking risks. I am impressed with their vision and willingness to try something new and innovative. This could be a game changer as far as UI's are concerned in the mmo industry if they pull this off. 

    No, GW2 uses it, Darkfall used it, a few others i cant remember. This is nothing new or exceptional. It's just a really bad idea.

    If you think what he described in the video is the same as what we have in GW2 - I flatly disagree. 

    You can do that, it does not change the fact that they both use HTML and Javascript. So silly... its going to be fun see this one fall flat on its ass.

    You have a different idea of "fun" than most people I know. 

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  • Plastic-MetalPlastic-Metal Highland Heights, KYPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by meddyck
    How about giving us some updates about the things that got us excited about the game in the first place: a 3 realm RvR MMO with no PvE with different races and classes in each realm and progression through RvR? I look forward to the Hib model video later today.

    IMO the reason CSE are providing technical release information is due to the amount of people running around claiming CU is nothing more than an idea on paper.

    My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

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  • Corinthian-XCorinthian-X Horn Lake, MSPosts: 86Member
    Originally posted by Plastic-Metal
    Originally posted by meddyck
    How about giving us some updates about the things that got us excited about the game in the first place: a 3 realm RvR MMO with no PvE with different races and classes in each realm and progression through RvR? I look forward to the Hib model video later today.

    IMO the reason CSE are providing technical release information is due to the amount of people running around claiming CU is nothing more than an idea on paper.

    Yeah, plus the campaign lasts for 30 days. There's going to be plenty of updates between now and the end.

     

    [mod edit]

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by Oldskoo
    You have a different idea of "fun" than most people I know. 

    Does not change the fact that they going to use HTML and bad decisions like that should be laughed right out the door. It is like saying you use Visual Basic to write a 3D game engine. These two things just don't go together.

     

     

    Originally posted by Corinthian-X

    And Oldskoo, you should just ignore Negative Nancy. He's not here to engage in any actual discussion.

    I be thrilled to discuss the pro's and cons of this HTML idea with you. However, If by discussion you mean to hold hands and sing "all hail to CU" then that is not a discussion, you might want to look up the meaning.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Plastic-Metal
    Originally posted by meddyck
    How about giving us some updates about the things that got us excited about the game in the first place: a 3 realm RvR MMO with no PvE with different races and classes in each realm and progression through RvR? I look forward to the Hib model video later today.

    IMO the reason CSE are providing technical release information is due to the amount of people running around claiming CU is nothing more than an idea on paper.

    Showing 10,000 instances of an iPad character model running around on a laptop or a video of a dev describing the uber web ui doesn't exactly disprove that.

    Camelot Unchained Backer
    DAOC [retired]: R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R5 Healer

  • Plastic-MetalPlastic-Metal Highland Heights, KYPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by Corinthian-X 

    And Oldskoo, you should just ignore Negative Nancy. He's not here to engage in any actual discussion.

    I agree completely.  There's several posters within the community that I just completely ignore if I see that they have posted.  This one is hit and miss.

    EDIT:

    @Meddyck:  I agree with you somewhat.  It's early in the game, but CSE certainly needs to release videos on more advanced committment than just a sample of the technical background that will make the game possible.  Luckily, we'll get to see one character model running around today per Mark Jacobs' podcast.  I'm curious if it'll be textured or just completed inside Maya/3ds Max/ZBrush.

    My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

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