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CU's Game Engine Fast and Light -Andrew

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  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon

    There's no way the actual game could be fun with 10,000 players in an area. Think about the AE damage spam from your typical 100 man zerg in DAOC, WAR, or GW 2. Now multiply that by 100. It'd be a stupidly boring explosion of instant death. The zones would be so populated you would never find a quiet area to have some small action. I want my characters to make a name for themselves not be 1 out of 10,000 anonymous zerglings.

    It's great that they are making other games like SWTOR that can't even handle 16 player warzones well look bad. But I hope they will make CU look a lot better than an Ipad game like March on Oz. If the engine can smoothly handle 1,000 players at a time on 3-5 year old hardware (as of 2015) at release, that would be perfect. Add polygons. Improve the textures and lighting and otherwise beef up the graphics. WOW, LoL, or TF 2 graphics isn't a high enough bar to clear.

    Bring on the next video featuring actual CU models to put my mind at ease please!

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  • mmoskimmoski plymouthPosts: 282Member

    This is really cool, reminds me of the 15000 models I had rendering in my dx10 engine (CPU based), not even touched cool things you can do with the GPU using geo or compute with multiple instances.

    While this has showcased how they are working and developing the technology, there's a long way to go, I don't think we will see more than 500 models on screen though, unless they have some amazing custom server technology.

    Keep up these videos CU, they are great ! And while many people can't see it, or don't understand the technology,  It's the difference between night and day to any developer/programmer between eye candy tech demo's and actual tech demo's.

  • ZarthuxZarthux Bay Area, CAPosts: 28Member
    Its a demo showcasing what can be done in a little amount of time that follows the foundation principles of more people on the screen is better than a 100 people on the screen lagging. The game will look nice. Dont freak out from one video.

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  • DevilmarioDevilmario Warren, MIPosts: 18Member
    Makes EA/Bioware and SWTOR look even worse considering they could only fit 5-8 characters at a time in major cities.
  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member

    Smoke and mirrors?

     

    I want to creat a 60 Watt lightbulb that will be as bright as the sun, whose with me?

     

    Quantity is not epic.  It's Quality that makes me coming back.  The more I hear about this game the more I'm amazed people believe it's possible in an MMO where everyone wants uniqueness, with playstyle and gear.

     

    I guess everyone will have a very limited character model and allowable attire. 200vs 200 is bad enough, don't make it more.

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  • OldskooOldskoo Minneapolis, MNPosts: 189Member

    I have been part of other games RVR where other players were invisible when there were too many on screen or the game just became unplayable as framerates dropped with more players and explosions going on. I'm no tech guy, but what this demo showed is that he was able to render 10k characters on his screen with no obvious frame rate dropping. In an RVR game where you have tons of guys fighting against each other this demonstration is pretty important to the game's long term success.

     

    That doesn't mean they will have 10k guys fighting it out in one space per se, it just means with their simplest of models in a stripped down environment they could handle that many with this game engine. As you begin adding fancier models and terrain etc, this number will drop for sure but we have a good base here to me. At least this is how I understand it, hope this helps any of the people with questions about what we saw in that recent video.

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  • OgreRaperOgreRaper Detroit, MIPosts: 376Member
    I'll take smooth performance over graphics any day.
  • VanshoodieVanshoodie Russellville, ALPosts: 34Member
    There is no reason to get in a panic. Heck it seems most of use take this video as something to get excited over. It is just a demo showing what is possible. Of course there is no need to have 10k fighting over a keep at once.  The largest battles may only be a few hundred at a time. That's saying a lot really considering that it will be an open world enviroment and people will be split up into different areas seiging and defending.  The fact that he has a stripped demo with 10k models on it is amazing. It can only get better from there.
  • comicguycomicguy los angeles, CAPosts: 123Member
    nice! As long as they don't use WAR's engine... NO FORT!!
  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,474Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arcona
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    I am not sure I am getting this.

    Simply put: Guy (Andrew) shows a rendering animation, the characters that are rendered multiply and continue to do so. These characters have no outside influence, meaning the characters are not controled by someone else somewhere else.

    How does this proof this supports hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously in the same area?

    As said not sure I am getting this......

    it shows the engine can display multiple thousands characters on screen.

    So much I figured.

    But does what he shows really equal of having actuall thousands of players all with different gear/skills/ability's/looks in one area?

    Will this be a cloud game where only the controls are mine and everything is rendered on their servers?

    The demo shows a fully controlled closed environment, there is no outside source controling those characters. Doesn't that make a hugh difference?

    In no way is this meant wrong, I just like to perhaps beter understand how this transelate's it into having those thousands of different players all at the same place.

     

  • MibletMiblet BognerPosts: 333Member

    I was impressed.

    I would imagine many would happily sacrifice graphics for the chance to have massive epic battles without it degenerating into a slide show.  After all what good are the shiniest graphics if during a battle you drop to 5fps and gameplay becomes button mash and hope?

     

    Of course the number of models will drop as the project continues but they should have plenty of overhead if they don't get too ambitious.  Something to def keep an eye on.

  • binskkibinskki Bourbonnais, ILPosts: 153Member

    I can't speak to the technical aspects, but the fact that they place enough of a priority on smooth, efficient gameplay with a large number of players involved this early in the whole process is reassuring to me.

    They are not looking to make a game where you routinely have 1500 players on your screen at once.  However, I would guess they are looking to make a game where you and your 35 guildies are defending a keep from 30 enemies of one realm, and 45 enemies from the other realm run up - and the graphics being rendered by your non-overclocked, decent but not state-of-the-art PC don't bat an eyelash.

     

    This will allow all 110 players to see that dragon swooping down on them at the same moment. :D

     

    (Before anyone points out that graphics don't have eyelashes, please remember that I said right up front that I was not technical, hehe.)

  • skyexileskyexile MelbournePosts: 692Member


    Originally posted by meddyck
    There's no way the actual game could be fun with 10,000 players in an area. Think about the AE damage spam from your typical 100 man zerg in DAOC, WAR, or GW 2. Now multiply that by 100. It'd be a stupidly boring explosion of instant death. The zones would be so populated you would never find a quiet area to have some small action. I want my characters to make a name for themselves not be 1 out of 10,000 anonymous zerglings.It's great that they are making other games like SWTOR that can't even handle 16 player warzones well look bad. But I hope they will make CU look a lot better than an Ipad game like March on Oz. If the engine can smoothly handle 1,000 players at a time on 3-5 year old hardware (as of 2015) at release, that would be perfect. Add polygons. Improve the textures and lighting and otherwise beef up the graphics. WOW, LoL, or TF 2 graphics isn't a high enough bar to clear.Bring on the next video featuring actual CU models to put my mind at ease please!


    I doubt we would see more than 1000 people per map / continent, depending on its size. and that's alot of players and action going down on one map. a typical high pop server should see 4000 players online at any given time.

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