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Defiance is coming out in a few days. General consensus on it?

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  • RedcorRedcor Austin, TXPosts: 426Member
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Originally posted by bestever
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Originally posted by rojo6934
    Originally posted by Redcor
     

    Report back in a month :) if that..

    we learned from this forums that one does not simply predict other people's future. We learned that from SWTOR

    Ha, I got blasted in this forum for saying SWTOR was fail after beta and I bet over half or the fanatics that razzed me don't play that pos anymore.

    LOL not sure why you even care. Do you feel some type of accompaniment from doing this? I will come trash a game that people like so I feel better about myself lol. Man, now I can go on with my day knowing I trashed that game GOD I FEEL SO GOOD.

     I am not trashing the game. I wanted great things for it. I love Fallout rpgs and shooters. I simply said it fails as a shooter and as an rpg and people are accusing me of not knowing what a real fps is. I stopped posting on this site after giving my opinion on SWTOR beta and getting all but bomb threats and now I remember why. I stated my opinion based on years of fps experience , read it, or not , and move on.

    Thank you mr sage but a lot of players are still playign and enjoying SWTOR. I am sure even if Defiance is not up to your standards a lot of players will continue to enjoy it.

    I could give rats ass about your experince and future predictions.

    Ahh, now you are jumping to my post in here. Strike me down with all your hatred and your transformation to the whine side will be complete. quik go back to the other post, I commented on your BS there too.

    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can
    be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    -Robert E. Howard

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Ahh, now you are jumping to my post in here. Strike me down with all your hatred and your transformation to the whine side will be complete. quik go back to the other post, I commented on your BS there too.

    I suggest stop being so defensive. I am not jumping on you or anything. The other topic was locked and rightly so. Negativity for sake of it is not same as valid criticism. And so far i have failed to see any from your side.

    Grow a thick skin or stop posting here if you don't want others to reply to you.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • pmilespmiles Federal Way, WAPosts: 383Member
    Question is, if the TV show gets cancelled in less than a week (I've seen some get cancelled after a single airing), does this mean the game is cancelled too?  I mean it is a marketing tool... either for the show or vice-versa... if one dies a miserable death, does the other die with it?
  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by pmiles
    Question is, if the TV show gets cancelled in less than a week (I've seen some get cancelled after a single airing), does this mean the game is cancelled too?  I mean it is a marketing tool... either for the show or vice-versa... if one dies a miserable death, does the other die with it?

    No they have a plan if that happens which I don't think you have anything to worry about as the show looks pretty good so far.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by pmiles
    Question is, if the TV show gets cancelled in less than a week (I've seen some get cancelled after a single airing), does this mean the game is cancelled too?  I mean it is a marketing tool... either for the show or vice-versa... if one dies a miserable death, does the other die with it?

    Trion has already mentioned that Defiance will continue even if the series gets cancelled. 

    However, after seeing the first 15 minutes pilot i am sure Defiance series has a bright future. If crap like Fallen Skies s still on air Defiance has nothign to worry.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • RedcorRedcor Austin, TXPosts: 426Member
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Ahh, now you are jumping to my post in here. Strike me down with all your hatred and your transformation to the whine side will be complete. quik go back to the other post, I commented on your BS there too.

    I suggest stop being so defensive. I am not jumping on you or anything. The other topic was locked and rightly so. Negativity for sake of it is not same as valid criticism. And so far i have failed to see any from your side.

    Grow a thick skin or stop posting here if you don't want others to reply to you.

     I'm not being negitive, I just called you out on the conspiracy theory of yours. Everytime somone has somthing bad to say about a game it seems its the job of some elite poster to say he has a negitve agenda or some other BS. Why can't people let others know when they feel a game has flaws without some crazy agenda ? I just made a few posts about a game that in my opinion is crap because I had some time on my hands today and was bored. I apologize if I offended you dudes that live and breathe here. As far as thick skin goes it does not come much thicker than mine sir, it even survived shrapnel in Basra and two rounds in the chest. You guys don't have to take down everyone with an opinion opposite yours just because your safe behind your pc. 

    This place kind of reminds me of driving. Someone is a big man in their car, gesturing and honking thier horn, but when I get out of my car  and tap on thier windshild they shit their pants and step on the gas.

    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can
    be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    -Robert E. Howard

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Ahh, now you are jumping to my post in here. Strike me down with all your hatred and your transformation to the whine side will be complete. quik go back to the other post, I commented on your BS there too.

    I suggest stop being so defensive. I am not jumping on you or anything. The other topic was locked and rightly so. Negativity for sake of it is not same as valid criticism. And so far i have failed to see any from your side.

    Grow a thick skin or stop posting here if you don't want others to reply to you.

     I'm not being negitive, I just called you out on the conspiracy theory of yours. Everytime somone has somthing bad to say about a game it seems its the job of some elite poster to say he has a negitve agenda or some other BS. Why can't people let others know when they feel a game has flaws without some crazy agenda ? I just made a few posts about a game that in my opinion is crap because I had some time on my hands today and was bored. I apologize if I offended you dudes that live and breathe here. As far as thick skin goes it does not come much thicker than mine sir, it even survived shrapnel in Basra and two rounds in the chest. You guys don't have to take down everyone with an opinion opposite yours just because your safe behind your pc. 

    This place kind of reminds me of driving. Someone is a big man in their car, gesturing and honking thier horn, but when I get out of my car  and tap on thier windshild they shit their pants and step on the gas.

    You guys don't have to take down everyone with an opinion opposite yours just because your safe behind your pc. 

    The only one doing this is you. Also opinions are fine but this isn't a opinion its more along the lines of anti-marketing. 

    This place kind of reminds me of driving. Someone is a big man in their car, gesturing and honking thier horn, but when I get out of my car  and tap on thier windshild they shit their pants and step on the gas.

    LOL this is just being childish and make me luagh my ass off. Watch out a keyboard gangster

  • fiontarfiontar Dana, MAPosts: 3,719Member
    Originally posted by pmiles
    Question is, if the TV show gets cancelled in less than a week (I've seen some get cancelled after a single airing), does this mean the game is cancelled too?  I mean it is a marketing tool... either for the show or vice-versa... if one dies a miserable death, does the other die with it?

    Season 2 is already in production, so SyFy has made a pretty firm commitment to the series. The producers were producers on Battlestar Galactica, so the show has some real potential. I do feel success of the show will be key for the game in the long run, but there is no reason the game couldn't keep going on it's own. The show provides a potentially large boost, bust the game still needs to succeed on it's merits and if it does so, it wouldn't take that away from the game.

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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Redcor
    Ahh, now you are jumping to my post in here. Strike me down with all your hatred and your transformation to the whine side will be complete. quik go back to the other post, I commented on your BS there too.

    I suggest stop being so defensive. I am not jumping on you or anything. The other topic was locked and rightly so. Negativity for sake of it is not same as valid criticism. And so far i have failed to see any from your side.

    Grow a thick skin or stop posting here if you don't want others to reply to you.

     I'm not being negitive, I just called you out on the conspiracy theory of yours. Everytime somone has somthing bad to say about a game it seems its the job of some elite poster to say he has a negitve agenda or some other BS. Why can't people let others know when they feel a game has flaws without some crazy agenda ? I just made a few posts about a game that in my opinion is crap because I had some time on my hands today and was bored. I apologize if I offended you dudes that live and breathe here. As far as thick skin goes it does not come much thicker than mine sir, it even survived shrapnel in Basra and two rounds in the chest. You guys don't have to take down everyone with an opinion opposite yours just because your safe behind your pc. 

    This place kind of reminds me of driving. Someone is a big man in their car, gesturing and honking thier horn, but when I get out of my car  and tap on thier windshild they shit their pants and step on the gas.

    Conspiracy theory? you are still overreacting. Saying someone has an agenda against a certain MMO doesn't mean there is some kidn of conspiracy.I don't mind critcism but some people make it a goal of their life to put down a  certain MMO. 

    So yeah at that point i or anyone else have the right to call out that person. It is ironic though that you are pointing fingers at us saying 'dudes who live and breathe here' when people like you and the one you are defending spend majority of their time bashing and obsessing with a MMO.

    And i have no idea why you are  giving me example of big man in car and tapping on shield and blah blah. Makes no absolute sense unless you are indirectly trying to tell us you are internet bad ass? because i see no one threatning you in any way.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • DraemosDraemos Antartica, AKPosts: 1,469Member

    Game isn't bad, but its shallow on multiple levels.  For instance...

    1) decent shooter mechanics, but it suffers from being a 3rd person shooter with no cover mechanics; which feels archaic

    2) character customization is lacking

    3) character development is lacking, the ego system is pretty weak and boring

    4) the non storyline missions are super generic and lame

    5) the interface for the PC is terrible, ala DCUO

    6) the community stuff (ie clan options, chat, etc) is half assed at best; and just plain terrible by most standards

    7) PvP was a disaster in beta.  Rocket hopping nonsense.  No real purpose.  Guns are horribly imbalanced.

     

    It is fun though, at least initially.. You can probably get your $60 worth out of it by playing through the storyline and exploring the game for a could weeks. But will very many people still be sticking with it 2-3 months down the road?  I doubt it.

     

    My biggest issue with it is that it's really hard to justify playing it over something like Borderlands 2 with a couple friends.  The MMO aspects are not well designed enough or appealing enough to exceed the lesser gameplay quality.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Draemos

     

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    It is fun though, at least initially.. You can probably get your $60 worth out of it by playing through the storyline and exploring the game for a could weeks. But will very many people still be sticking with it 2-3 months down the road?  I doubt it.

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    That comment would fit perfectly in the forum of just about every MMO launched since WoW... image

     

    Who cares if "very many people" will still be playing it 2-3 months down the road ? Chances are you'll have finished the content and moved on to the next MMO launch. As long as you had fun, what's the problem ?

     

    And if you're on of those that's still playing THAT game after 2 or 3 months, you'll probably be a bit lonely, because the herd will have moved on to the greener grass just over the hill.

     

    The bulk of modern MMO players seem to treat MMO's as they do single player titles. Hype it to the heavens before launch, play it night and day until you puke after 1 or 2 months, then move on....

  • blutigfaustblutigfaust Granite City, ILPosts: 98Member Common

     I played alpha and beta versions...the game got less buggy, but no more fun as time went by. Not worth the $60 price for me.  I plan to watch the tv series, but will let this game pass.

      I have to admit, I'm curious to see how the series will do the actuall game/tv-show integration effect. Considering a tv program is usually completely planned before filming even starts. My guess is they have a script that mentions a guild or person that is left blank for now and will dub it in once an event is worth mentioning....although, it'll prob only be a mention in passing , and if not looking for it, will go completely un-noticed. Dont see how the game would/could actullay change the script and filming for TV series.

    But good luck to those who do buy it, i hope it meets and exceeds your expectations.

     

    Be well my gamming friends.

     

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  • BrownAleBrownAle fantasyland, MEPosts: 399Member

    Enjoyable enough through the betas.  Im confident ill get $60 worth of game time out of it.  I have concerns about long term playability...however if i dont see it lasting i dont need to buy the DLC content, and can still log in and check the game out from time to time.

    Menu and third person view take a few minuets to get use to, anyone with a double diget IQ will be able to master both in a short time, those without will have issues.

     

    The one thing this game desperately needs and will never get is a cross platform world.  The game seems to be highly anticipated and well recieved with the PS3 and Xbox crowds, while the PC crowd seem its typical attitude towards a game everyone knows wont be the most popular kid...i mean game..on the block.  I think if microsoft and sony stopped being douches and let everyone play together the game would be far more entertaining....as im guranteeing that the PC community will move on to the next hyped themepark that comes out.

     

    For a TPS mmo its not half bad, it was more fun than i anticipated, and i really walked into the game expecting it to be overwhelmingly meh...but like i said...i expect the game to have minimal replayability once you get to the end...whatever that end is at least...i dont really see the game being so good as to hook me on every DLC that comes out....but then who knows i never thought i would preorder the game to begin with.

     

     

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by severius
    Was in the beta, say was because I quit playing a while ago.  Not necessarily a bad game, not a good game just.... just another game.  Maybe there might be something in the writing for some folks, maybe the art style for others.  Nothing stuck with me.  

    This is very much how I felt.  The game wasn't bad (aside form the UI, which is bad enough to justify firing the entire dev team), but it lacked anything special to make me want to play.  My first day in beta involved starting it up, getting kind of excited with the intro cutscenes, and the completely being bored in the first training mission thing.  I think it spent more time trying to figure out how to exit the game than i did actually playing, no joke.

    You make me like charity

  • DraemosDraemos Antartica, AKPosts: 1,469Member
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Draemos

     

     

    It is fun though, at least initially.. You can probably get your $60 worth out of it by playing through the storyline and exploring the game for a could weeks. But will very many people still be sticking with it 2-3 months down the road?  I doubt it.

     

    That comment would fit perfectly in the forum of just about every MMO launched since WoW... image

     

    Who cares if "very many people" will still be playing it 2-3 months down the road ? Chances are you'll have finished the content and moved on to the next MMO launch. As long as you had fun, what's the problem ?

     

    And if you're on of those that's still playing THAT game after 2 or 3 months, you'll probably be a bit lonely, because the herd will have moved on to the greener grass just over the hill.

     

    The bulk of modern MMO players seem to treat MMO's as they do single player titles. Hype it to the heavens before launch, play it night and day until you puke after 1 or 2 months, then move on....

     

    I care.

     

    if that's all  I'm going to get out of an MMO, I'll play single player games with better stories and gameplay.  Longevity and community are pretty important in an MMO.

  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Draemos

     

     

    It is fun though, at least initially.. You can probably get your $60 worth out of it by playing through the storyline and exploring the game for a could weeks. But will very many people still be sticking with it 2-3 months down the road?  I doubt it.

     

    That comment would fit perfectly in the forum of just about every MMO launched since WoW... image

     

    Who cares if "very many people" will still be playing it 2-3 months down the road ? Chances are you'll have finished the content and moved on to the next MMO launch. As long as you had fun, what's the problem ?

     

    And if you're on of those that's still playing THAT game after 2 or 3 months, you'll probably be a bit lonely, because the herd will have moved on to the greener grass just over the hill.

     

    The bulk of modern MMO players seem to treat MMO's as they do single player titles. Hype it to the heavens before launch, play it night and day until you puke after 1 or 2 months, then move on....

     Sorry to burst your bubble my friend. But there are actually some MMO's that released after WoW that were decent and are still around!

    EverQuest 2 and LOTRO just to name a few. The Secret World is also a great game and I am still playing it 9 months after release.

    The Secret World was bad mouthed for having too little content and too little landmass.

    Well funny thing is.... the entire current landmass of Defiance fits within Kingsmouth and Savage Coast. That still leaves out Blue Mountain to complete the first continent of TSW and then we still got Egypt and Transylvania, plus 3 city hubs!

    TSW has far more landmass and far more content than Defiance and still the hardcore gamers managed to blow through it within a month (or two).

    So where does that leave Defiance with it's tiny landmass and tiny amount of content? It will mean a hell lot of people will be done with the available content within one to two weeks and then are pretty much stuck at farming Arkfalls over and over and do some deathmatch PVP (which is horribly imbalanced).

    The hardcore crowd will be done within a few days.

    I rest my case.

  • MikeJezZMikeJezZ HillerødPosts: 1,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Draemos

     

     

    It is fun though, at least initially.. You can probably get your $60 worth out of it by playing through the storyline and exploring the game for a could weeks. But will very many people still be sticking with it 2-3 months down the road?  I doubt it.

     

    That comment would fit perfectly in the forum of just about every MMO launched since WoW... image

     

    Who cares if "very many people" will still be playing it 2-3 months down the road ? Chances are you'll have finished the content and moved on to the next MMO launch. As long as you had fun, what's the problem ?

     

    And if you're on of those that's still playing THAT game after 2 or 3 months, you'll probably be a bit lonely, because the herd will have moved on to the greener grass just over the hill.

     

    The bulk of modern MMO players seem to treat MMO's as they do single player titles. Hype it to the heavens before launch, play it night and day until you puke after 1 or 2 months, then move on....

     Sorry to burst your bubble my friend. But there are actually some MMO's that released after WoW that were decent and are still around! EverQuest 2 and LOTRO just to name a few. The Secret World is also a great game and I am still playing it 9 months after release. The Secret World was bad mouthed for having too little content and too little landmass. Well funny thing is.... the entire current landmass of Defiance fits within Kingsmouth and Savage Coast. That still leaves out Blue Mountain to complete the first continent of TSW and then we still got Egypt and Transylvania, plus 3 city hubs! TSW has far more landmass and far more content than Defiance and still the hardcore gamers managed to blow through it within a month (or two). So where does that leave Defiance with it's tiny landmass and tiny amount of content? It will mean a hell lot of people will be done with the available content within one to two weeks and then are pretty much stuck at farming Arkfalls over and over and do some deathmatch PVP (which is horribly imbalanced). The hardcore crowd will be done within a few days. I rest my case.

     

    How can a game, where there are no classes, be imbalanced?

     

    So TSW had more landmass than Defiance?

     

    Didn't know, since the game couldn't hold me for even 5 hours.

     

    Already spend more time in Defiance than TSW.

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  • JustAHermitJustAHermit Sacramento, CAPosts: 24Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    There is none. Different people like different games.

    I will watch the show first .. and see if i like the setting. Probably will read some reviews before making up my mind.

    I've blown through the whole story mission so far and I've received a lot of flak from the community since I've basically "stopped" playing after that. There are tons of dynamic missions after that, repetitive side missions for exp/mods, Arkfalls, PVP, challenges, etc.

    I bought this game thinking it'd be more MMORPG like but it's not, it's just TPS-like. You can continue playing the game at any level with any weapon setup really because higher level weapons are not stronger and rarer weapons are not overly powerful. Being a higher level won't change much even if you get more skills because you're able to fight without them just fine. As for the MMO aspect, the communication is really bad with the chat and the game can easily be played alone (I thought it'd rely on teamwork but I guess even MMORPG's don't really).

    I mean, I'm more of a fantasy MMORPG player and I stepped out of my comfort zone to play this sci-fi shooter so that could affect my judgment to not continue on (lack of interest) but I'm sure some players will attempt to hit that 5000 ego rating and get every single achievement out there. It's personal preference really.

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk St-petersburgPosts: 1,351Member
    I kinda liked it but wont be playing it. 
  • thamighty213thamighty213 NewcastlePosts: 1,630Member
    Bought it due to boredom though it had a ok story for the 1 day I played it,  game played quite badly when youve player ME2 or ME3 as much as I have and the UI was atrocious.  Into the gray steam wasteland it goes.
  • majimaji ColognePosts: 2,000Member Uncommon

    Never heard of it.

     

    Looked up some gameplay videos. All I saw was some people running or driving around shooting at other people. Graphics and sound looked ok, but the game seemed very generic on the first glance. So it doesn't have my interested as of now. I doubt that it features anything revolutionaty.

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • fallenlordsfallenlords NottinghamPosts: 680Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane

    The Secret World was bad mouthed for having too little content and too little landmass.

    Well funny thing is.... the entire current landmass of Defiance fits within Kingsmouth and Savage Coast. That still leaves out Blue Mountain to complete the first continent of TSW and then we still got Egypt and Transylvania, plus 3 city hubs!

    TSW has far more landmass and far more content than Defiance and still the hardcore gamers managed to blow through it within a month (or two).

    So where does that leave Defiance with it's tiny landmass and tiny amount of content? It will mean a hell lot of people will be done with the available content within one to two weeks and then are pretty much stuck at farming Arkfalls over and over and do some deathmatch PVP (which is horribly imbalanced).

    The hardcore crowd will be done within a few days.

    I rest my case

    Sorry but you look at TSW and the combat mechanics, then look at Defiance.  I can easily put up with less content to have a better overall experience. Funcom screwed up, guns and tab targeting is lame. Defiance is fun, TSW is dull and boring.  I have already clocked up more hours on Defiance both in beta and live play than I ever did in TSW - and somebody gave me the game for free.   Plus a three platform release and a TV show.  TSW ... not in the same breath please, it's pants.

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk St-petersburgPosts: 1,351Member
    Originally posted by fallenlords Sorry but you look at TSW and the combat mechanics, then look at Defiance.  I can easily put up with less content to have a better overall experience. Funcom screwed up, guns and tab targeting is lame. Defiance is fun, TSW is dull and boring. 

    For each their own. TSW for me was the best MMORPG in many years. Defiance while I kinda liked in small amounts, is mediocre MMO shooter

  • fallenlordsfallenlords NottinghamPosts: 680Member
    Originally posted by mindw0rk

    For each their own. TSW for me was the best MMORPG in many years. Defiance while I kinda liked in small amounts, is mediocre MMO shooter

    Well you can certainly tell TSW was never destined for console release from the overall design. Especially when you look at Defiance.  Playing TSW to me was like self flagellation, interesting for a few moments before it became painful.  They kind of forgot the key component to my mind when making it...fun.  Which is kinda ironic from a company called Funcom.  But as you say each to their own, some people don't like fun that much.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by mindw0rk
    Originally posted by fallenlords Sorry but you look at TSW and the combat mechanics, then look at Defiance.  I can easily put up with less content to have a better overall experience. Funcom screwed up, guns and tab targeting is lame. Defiance is fun, TSW is dull and boring. 

    For each their own. TSW for me was the best MMORPG in many years. Defiance while I kinda liked in small amounts, is mediocre MMO shooter

    Why the hell every MMO forums has to become a pissing contest? who cares if TSW is better or Defiance is? both MMOS are made for very different type of player base.

    Defiance is more akin to a console shooter while TSW is quest based MMORPG with horrible combat . Why even compare the two?

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    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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