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[Column] General: PAX East 2013 Postmortem

BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing EditorBerea, OHPosts: 2,356MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

With PAX East 2013 now behind us, we're offering our thoughts on some of the things we looked forward to seeing at the show.

WildStar looks gorgeous every time we see it and I find myself impressed with the game in new ways each time Carbine gives us a closer look at the game’s fairly nuanced game design. If you play the game for a couple of minutes, you might get the idea that WildStar is just a quirky “me too” MMO, but there is a whole lot going on under the surface. Barring any surprises, this is my game to watch in 2013.

Read more of Michael Bitton's PAX East 2013 Postmortem.

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  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member
    ES - we will see
    MH - no thanks
    FF - now thats condidence lol
    Wildstar - I agree

    The FF thing touches on others as well though, what is it with the lack of confidence in ones own product.

    ES is close to getting my stamp, they have really opened the doors lately, all im waiting for from ES and WS at this point is a release date.
  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    I'm still waiting and hoping for a true virtual world style super hero MMO.  I have absolutely no interest in Marvel Heroes.  Just like I was disappointed in City of Heroes and Champions Online and DC Universe Online.  Every one of them combat focused with little or no worlds to speak of with tons of instancing and always twitchy.

     

    I'm looking forward to trying Elder Scrolls Online and learning more about EverQuest Next.  I'm not sure about Wildstar as it seems to be a raid or die game.  I do like its atmosphere which is delightfully created by wonderful voice overs with both nuanced and fun tongue and cheek humor.

     

    The behavior of the FFXIV team makes me wonder if there is the possibility that the higher ups may be considering shutting the whole thing down, which would certainly be reflected in such a glum and lackluster presence at the show.

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  • VorchVorch Somewhere, FLPosts: 800Member
    ESO, please be buy to play, please be buy to play, please be buy to play,...

    "As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member
    The Repopulation. Nothing?

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • mm6131mm6131 Dallas, TXPosts: 1Member
    No love for Repopulation?
  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,183Member Uncommon

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYPosts: 5,717Administrator Uncommon
    Originally posted by mm6131
    No love for Repopulation?

    We didn't see it.

    Michael "MikeB" Bitton
    Community Manager
    Twitter: @eMikeB

  • azarhalazarhal Somewhere, BCPosts: 760Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vorch
    ESO, please be buy to play, please be buy to play, please be buy to play,...

    lol

    What happen if it's not B2P?

  • GaeluianGaeluian Dousman, WIPosts: 83Member Uncommon

    Wildstar looks like another stupid cartooned MMO. The main reason I didn't play World of Warcraft.

     

    Do people really like this style graphics in an MMO? Is this what has become acceptable?

     

    I am so hesitant of any new MMOs anymore.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    the only one I am watching now is ESO,  the rest well I seen footage for wildstar and it looks like something from full metal alchamist, and all I got to say about that is its grea if your my 23 year old, its meh for me.  

    Looks like another year of nothing in the mmorpg world.  Not good. 

     

  • Zeref.DyverZeref.Dyver North Richland Hills, TXPosts: 270Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

    So tell me, I'm dying to know...

    In what year are we finally able to create a working time machine?

  • LegereLegere CityOfPeoplePosts: 118Member Uncommon
    that it? wheres the rest of the article! it covers 3 games!
  • DogblasterDogblaster PraguePosts: 491Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

    So we have another know-everything guy here :) You should contact FOX or BBC or something and create a show

     
  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by Dogblaster
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

    So we have another know-everything guy here :) You should contact FOX or BBC or something and create a show

     

    Hey at least he has the maturity to not act hurt when someone decks a game he likes, no matter how justified it may be (sorry but FF... just doesn't look to be much more than a bright graphical explosion followed by a puff of smoke and then nothing).

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,193Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dogblaster
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

    So we have another know-everything guy here :) You should contact FOX or BBC or something and create a show

     

    He has an opinion in an opinion thread.  He added to the discussion.  What about you?  Oh nothing.  Realistically, he's probably not far off the mark.  FFXIV has an insane hole to climb out of.  The only people that are giving it an insta pass at this point are those that were willing to do the same with the original version.  Marvel Heroes will probably be fun for what it is, but again not likely to be remembered a year from.

    Wildstar is a maybe and ESO is going to make a mark whether you like it or not.  He was probably right about D&D:N in that it will likely make more of a splash and have a greater affect on the genre than either ARR or MH.

  • BethelsBoyBethelsBoy South Bend, INPosts: 216Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gaeluian

    Wildstar looks like another stupid cartooned MMO. The main reason I didn't play World of Warcraft.

     

    Do people really like this style graphics in an MMO? Is this what has become acceptable?

     

    I am so hesitant of any new MMOs anymore.

    Sounds like your open minded.... lol

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  • AlberelAlberel LondonPosts: 1,121Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Dogblaster
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Final Fantasy and Marvel Heroes?  Neither are worth mentioning IMO, they will be nonentities within 6 months of release if they last that long.

    Even Neverwinter will do better than either of them.  Wildstar and Elder Scrolls will do quite well though, will have to agree with you there.

    So we have another know-everything guy here :) You should contact FOX or BBC or something and create a show

     

    He has an opinion in an opinion thread.  He added to the discussion.  What about you?  Oh nothing.  Realistically, he's probably not far off the mark.  FFXIV has an insane hole to climb out of.  The only people that are giving it an insta pass at this point are those that were willing to do the same with the original version.  Marvel Heroes will probably be fun for what it is, but again not likely to be remembered a year from.

    Wildstar is a maybe and ESO is going to make a mark whether you like it or not.  He was probably right about D&D:N in that it will likely make more of a splash and have a greater affect on the genre than either ARR or MH.

    The people giving FFXIV a second chance are the people that have bothered to read up about the game. It's a completely rebuilt game, almost nothing is the same. It's even on a new engine. Any preconceptions based on how 1.0 turned out are pointless because the rerelease has almost nothing in common with it beyond the class system.

    They didn't show a lot at PAX because they're busy. They had their big marketing push about a month ago instead when they launched the benchmark.

  • InktomiInktomi merrick, NYPosts: 663Member

    Hey Mike,

     

    Good write-up. I would have loved to hit up PAX, but that job thing gets me every time. I am surprised there wasn't more of a solid marketing campaign for FFXIV at PAX E', we all know the company needs it. I do want to ask, what does a "me too" mmo mean?

     

    Thanks, 

     

    Ink

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,506Member Uncommon

    My take on PAX east - it's losing more relevance every year, it was even smaller than last year, I think the trend will continue as long as the gaming industry is struggling.

     

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    You've got to talk the event organizers into letting more time be allowed for the "Future of Online Games" panel.  1 hour is not enough, could of easily gone 7 or 8 hours and kept my attention the entire time.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by mm6131
    No love for Repopulation?

    We didn't see it.

    It was Joshua in a rather non-descript booth at the end of a row near the indies. 

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano

    My take on PAX east - it's losing more relevance every year, it was even smaller than last year, I think the trend will continue as long as the gaming industry is struggling.

    GDC SF and PAX East were back to back, so a lot of devs limited their presence to the event that best fit their current message/news. For example, Turbine HQ is about 40 minutes away from there, but their big announcements were the opening of a San Fran office and their upcoming MOBA, Infinite Crisis, which is stuff more for the developer and industry oriented crowd. SOE had recently released a bunch of new titles and they've been through the circuit mostly, so their Dragon's Prophet reveal and PS2 player app announcements were more of a GDC thing, as well. SOE did have some reps and even a player gathering in Boston for PAX East, though.

    It's an event that's definitely not losing relevance, as it has grown in both attendance and reach each year.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • VanadromArdaVanadromArda Hot Springs Village, ARPosts: 445Member
    As for Final Fantasy XIV, let's not forget their development team is in Japan and their English Community is very small at the time being. PAX is sort of a too-small-to-notice sort of event for SquareEnix and will likely be aiming their guns at bigger name events down the line.
  • trash656trash656 Here, SKPosts: 357Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB

    The game really felt like playing an Elder Scrolls title. Just take off in any direction and do just about whatever you want!

    Mike your a nice guy, but this is a lie, I have been playing elderscrolls games for over 10 years, if the game doesn't allow players to become necromancers, or conjurers it is nothing like an Elderscrolls game, nor does it allow you too do anything you want. Please do not lie to the people who visit this website, and give them false hope that they are going to get a  game that is completlely open world, open ended class system, when we all know it's not. If there is something that you know that I don't please pm me. I'de be most interested to know, because I was told by my friend that is currently beta testing it, it's not open ended like the Elderscrolls games, and nothing like Elderscrolls at all. It's a complete themepark like every other MMO

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by trash656
    Originally posted by MikeB

    The game really felt like playing an Elder Scrolls title. Just take off in any direction and do just about whatever you want!

    Mike your a nice guy, but this is a lie, I have been playing elderscrolls games for over 10 years, if the game doesn't allow players to become necromancers, or conjurers it is nothing like an Elderscrolls game, nor does it allow you too do anything you want. Please do not lie to the people who visit this website, and give them false hope that they are going to get a  game that is completlely open world, open ended class system, when we all know it's not. If there is something that you know that I don't please pm me. I'de be most interested to know, because I was told by my friend that is currently beta testing it, it's not open ended like the Elderscrolls games, and nothing like Elderscrolls at all. It's a complete themepark like every other MMO

    Not every MMO is a themepark dude :P (just saying because EVE-Online is the type of game where you can do anything you want at any time, just that it takes time to do it well).

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