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Mark Jacobs and Company - Please do not REQUIRE monthly fees to play.

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  • rafalex007rafalex007 dubaiPosts: 244Member
    i hope its B2P but most people are saying that MJ said it will be P2P, but who knows
  • SpeelySpeely Seattle, WAPosts: 861Member
    @Plastic-Metal: lmao well-played. ISWYDT. :)

    But seriously, Ellen. Mostly because there are far less men that could claim such a feat.
  • StilerStiler Athens, TNPosts: 599Member
    Originally posted by jskeets916

    "In my experience there's no huge difference vs them."

    That makes many of the subscription model players cases because those of us who approve of the subscription model have experiences where there is a huge difference, and you obviously either are a new age mmo player or haven't played a large variety of mmo's.

    Sorry but the only example f2p players ever have are GW2 and SWTOR which are both garbage games in comparison to those of us who have subscribed to titles in the past.

    "GW2 for instance has some decent new content patches."

    Played GW2 and no the patches were not decent, maybe decent to a f2p expectation but unfortunately these are not my games of preference and their patches were unacceptable compaired to what i was used to.

    What happened to structured pvp patch with custom games? Was supposed to come out months ago but its a f2p game so they cater to what will make them $, and right now thats PvE content so you get a few seasonal events and patches and you think this compaires to that of a healthy sub's game updates?

    Not to mention GW2 pve is shallow at best most of my guildies were maxed out with little to do by the end of the first month, and WvW still has 0 purpose besides zerg fest...

    Subscription model? Yes please, that way we can actually have things besides just timely patches, but actual content expansion with new classes, zones, loot etc..

     


    I have played mmo's since Ultima Online (my first), then EQ, AC, DAOC, Anarchy online, SWG, etc.

    From my expeirence in terms of "updates" the game being free to play, or sub-based, had no real noticable impact in terms of patching and updates.

    Asherons call has been (imo) the best mmo that delivered good content updates (not just patches), where they actually progressed the story, changed the world and elements within it, it made the world feel so dynamic and alive comapred to most mmo's.

    Guild Wars 2 has been having monthly updates simialr to this style, having new events, new quest lines, etc I wonder if you've played these or like GW2 to begin with? In terms of "patching" and content updates there's just no way you can tell me that it's lacking or sub-par for the free content they put out.

    Meanwhile you have games like WoW, sub-based, that are lucky to get patches, let alone content-updates that aren't made for expansions of some kind (and if you're lucky elements players without that expansion can experience).

    Even UO wasn't huge on "content" patches of that kind, they had events they did which helped spice up the world from time to time, but there wasn't a lot of new content patching in it, mostly bug fixes/tweaks and things. Then expansions expansions expansions.

    I have played some mmo's off/on that have went from Sub-based games to free to play (LOTR:online, Tera, The Secret World) and none of them have drastically changed in terms of patching or new content.

    I just don't see, or haven't expeirence this supposed "patching stalls when a game goes f2p" that you guys are talking about. AC and GW2 are are the top as far as pushing new content (not just bug fixes, etc but actual in-game content via new npc's, quests, items, etc) , and one was sub-based while the other was buy to play.

     

  • Plastic-MetalPlastic-Metal Highland Heights, KYPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by Stiler
     

    Meanwhile you have games like WoW, sub-based, that are lucky to get patches, let alone content-updates that aren't made for expansions of some kind (and if you're lucky elements players without that expansion can experience).

     

    Honestly, Stiler..  you can't compare WoW to anything in this industry.  WoW is a freak of nature and even Blizzard didn't predict their initial sales goals, much less long term peak performance; World of Warcraft literally is a cash cow.  Look at it from a business perspective, if you have millions of players chasing after the proverbial carrot on a stick that continue to pay month after month while having to wait half a year to a year to receive updates why change their business model?  

    "Hell, I might as well keep playing since I've invested so much time on my [XYZ] class because I've been promised it'll be fixed in Patch V12.4.3 due out in seven months!"  - WoW Gamer #7,349,125

    There's no disrespect to WoW or Blizzard as an entity, as they are obvious doing "something" right, but at this point in the game... I avoid comparing anything to World of Warcraft or Blizzard because they both have completely ruined the MMO industry. 

    My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

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  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,172Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by sweetdigs
    DISAGREE!!Make it a monthly subscription.  No cash house.  No pay to win.  No pay to level past level 20. Just a flat monthly subscription so everybody is on equal footing. 

    this: nothing more annoying then hourly pop-ups about buying stuff in cash shops or trading card games.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • morfidonmorfidon BochniaPosts: 245Member
    Originally posted by Zintair
    Originally posted by morfidon
    Originally posted by dynamicipftw

    For everyone who is still anti-F2P: Try Path of Exile. Then compare it to D3 (unlimited funds).

    You will find out that more money doesn't always equal better games.

    WTF

    You compare NOT mmo game to CU.

     

    D3 and Path of Exile has nothing to do with mmo.

    MMORPG = Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

     

    If they are RPGS... Online... and massively multiplayer then yes they are MMOs and can be comapred in a light to CU.

    Massively Multiplayer of 4 people online on one server? yea....

  • alexisevicalexisevic Rochester, NYPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by Stiler

     


    I have played mmo's since Ultima Online (my first), then EQ, AC, DAOC, Anarchy online, SWG, etc.

    From my expeirence in terms of "updates" the game being free to play, or sub-based, had no real noticable impact in terms of patching and updates.

     

     

    Guess you have never played EvE then.  Monthly fee, and two guaranteed free expansions per year.  Quality updates each patch.  MJ has already said the EvE model is an inspiration for him; I'd say thats a smart idea. 

  • StilerStiler Athens, TNPosts: 599Member
    Originally posted by morfidon
    Originally posted by Zintair
    Originally posted by morfidon
    Originally posted by dynamicipftw

    For everyone who is still anti-F2P: Try Path of Exile. Then compare it to D3 (unlimited funds).

    You will find out that more money doesn't always equal better games.

    WTF

    You compare NOT mmo game to CU.

     

    D3 and Path of Exile has nothing to do with mmo.

    MMORPG = Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

     

    If they are RPGS... Online... and massively multiplayer then yes they are MMOs and can be comapred in a light to CU.

    Massively Multiplayer of 4 people online on one server? yea....

    Path of exile is similar in design to Guild Wars 1, the towns are hubs and support many people, way more then 4.

    His point wasn't really about mmo's though, but rather saying that a free to play game, like Path of exile, is better then Diablo 3, which was a full priced title.

     

    To many people that is a true statement, Path of exile seems to be more akin to Diablo 2, open skill tree's, etc and less of the RMAH focused design of diablo 3.

    I prefer it by far over Diablo 3.

     

    Originally posted by alexisevic
    Originally posted by Stiler

     


    I have played mmo's since Ultima Online (my first), then EQ, AC, DAOC, Anarchy online, SWG, etc.

    From my expeirence in terms of "updates" the game being free to play, or sub-based, had no real noticable impact in terms of patching and updates.

     

     

    Guess you have never played EvE then.  Monthly fee, and two guaranteed free expansions per year.  Quality updates each patch.  MJ has already said the EvE model is an inspiration for him; I'd say thats a smart idea. 

     

    I tried to play eve for a while but I just couldn't get past it's combat. A space game that uses a mmo style combat system just doens't do it for me. I've played too much Wing Commander/freespace/X-wing games that I can't really get past that style of combat, unless it's an RTS style space game (a la Homeworld/Sins of a solar empire).

    Eve is pretty mucht he example of a niche sub game that has baffled the industry though, there's nor really one like it in terms of niche/success that relies on subs. If that's what Mark wants CU to be I hop eit gets it.

     

  • ragz45ragz45 rochester hills, MIPosts: 686Member Uncommon
    If it's FTP I honestly won't even try it.  After all of the FTP titles I have tried this year (with the FTP hype), I have yet to find a single FTP game that I can stand the community.  Every single FTP or BTP title I have tried is filled with the worst dreges of humanity.
  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    I would pay a sub-fee if that would mean there will be NO CASHSHOP in the game. However if they are going to put a cashshop in there then they should drop the sub fee. 
  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,447Member Uncommon

    Well the mention of Wow is sort of a really bad example becuase they made millions and put nothing back into the game.I will say this,take ANY of the big games and the support is far superior as a matter of fact ,support in f2p games is not even there or is extremely terrible.

    You also need to weigh in on what a game delivers for content.

    a pefect example is the recent GW2,just like Gw1,you are not getting a ful fledged 5 year project with all content,you are getting 1/3 or 1/2 a game.So really what's the difference,you pay 15 a month for more cotnent and a more complete game,or you pay in extra xpacs to get the rest of your content that other games already gave you.

    So you have one example of a developer investing a LOT more money,well of course they need to recoup that money,just the same as the developer that invests less.

    I will say this much also,the few games i actually paid a sub to play,i have been quite happy,if i am not,i stop paying,it is as simple as that.The sub games that imo are not worthy of,i don't pay them and f2p games are often NEVER on my agenda,at least i don't expect to ever toss them money.


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  • gylnnegylnne South Hutchinson, KSPosts: 320Member
     

     I avoid comparing anything to World of Warcraft or Blizzard because they both have completely ruined the MMO industry. 

    Yes they have.

  • StilerStiler Athens, TNPosts: 599Member
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Well the mention of Wow is sort of a really bad example becuase they made millions and put nothing back into the game.I will say this,take ANY of the big games and the support is far superior as a matter of fact ,support in f2p games is not even there or is extremely terrible.

    You also need to weigh in on what a game delivers for content.

    a pefect example is the recent GW2,just like Gw1,you are not getting a ful fledged 5 year project with all content,you are getting 1/3 or 1/2 a game.So really what's the difference,you pay 15 a month for more cotnent and a more complete game,or you pay in extra xpacs to get the rest of your content that other games already gave you.

    So you have one example of a developer investing a LOT more money,well of course they need to recoup that money,just the same as the developer that invests less.

    I will say this much also,the few games i actually paid a sub to play,i have been quite happy,if i am not,i stop paying,it is as simple as that.The sub games that imo are not worthy of,i don't pay them and f2p games are often NEVER on my agenda,at least i don't expect to ever toss them money.

     

    I question if you even played GW2? It's NOTHING like GW1 was really, it's a full fledged open-world mmo unlike GW1.

    On top of this they have been releasing new content each month, adding new quests, new items, lore, events, etc. 

    Even The Secret World has been doing some content updates every couple months or so and it's went from sub-based to free to play.

    Asherons call was the best at doing this as far as sub-based games go back in the day, but in my expeirences playing sub-based mmo's, most updates are regarded to bug fixing/balancing tweaks and the new content is restricted toward expansions that you have to in-turn buy for the game usually. With some doing seasonabl/holiday updates with a small quest chain for grinding for ao reward or something.

    I'm just not expeirencing this supposed "free to play = little/no updates; sub based = a lot of updates" that some of you are talking about.

     

     

     

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