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league of legends, tera, etc.
Doesn't promote longetivity? What data are you drawing this conclusion from? Any thing to back it up?
Like SW:TOR? Tera? LOTR:O, TSW, Age of Conan, etc? All those games started with a sub model and have moved to free to play and saw huge increases in their player base. On top of this many of them moved to this model within a year of being out or less, so if a sub provides more "longetitivty" it sure didn't work for them"
If cash shop doesn't mean an auto win, then developers better work for free. Sure there are some decent f2p games out there, I am playing a few myself, but they are not mmorpgs (in my case it's facebook type games that I play) so the cost of development and maintenance is completely different. Can you really compare league of legends to an mmo like say swtor? or war or what have you? Clearly LoL is much cheaper to make, maintain and update.
Of all the mmos you listed (with exceptions of ones after swtor, I honestly lost interest in mmos after that so not sure what came out) none of this games wanted to be f2p. It was more of a "Oh, wow, everyone left our game after a few months... I guess we can shut down and lose millions, or since we already have this game, we can push it as f2p and get a ton of people and maybe even make some money"
I am quite certain that for a true mmorpg to go f2p (right from the release, not when they see that sub model doesn't work because their game is crap) is a no go as I doubt cash shop will pay for the development, especially if it's not a pay to win type of cash shop. It is however a good move for a dieing game, and helps it get more people and some cash.
I also DIsagree.
Make it with SUBSCRIPTION.
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if there is one thing 200% sure about CU its that it'll be sub based, with possibilities of multit-tier sub (i.e.family sub)Mark said it so often in interviewsHe HATES F2P (or as some calls it Pay-to-Win) models with a passion.The only things that could be found in an in-game store could be cosmetic stuff, that is ALL.
Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoCThurka on WAR
So, it's a kick starter and those who pay for the game to get made (i.e. those who support the KS) will then have to pay a subscription?
Seems a bit harsh to me.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Originally posted by Zinzan So, it's a kick starter and those who pay for the game to get made (i.e. those who support the KS) will then have to pay a subscription? Seems a bit harsh to me.
Sounds normal to people who played 1st and 2nd generation MMO's. Box price (or KS in this case) + monthly sub.
For everyone who is still anti-F2P: Try Path of Exile. Then compare it to D3 (unlimited funds).
You will find out that more money doesn't always equal better games.
Originally posted by dynamicipftw For everyone who is still anti-F2P: Try Path of Exile. Then compare it to D3 (unlimited funds). You will find out that more money doesn't always equal better games.
You compare NOT mmo game to CU.
D3 and Path of Exile has nothing to do with mmo.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser Originally posted by morfidon Also DISAGREE. I want a good community. Not a hoping players who jump from realm to realm. I don't want also so many kids. 10-15$ per month is very cheap. And it's good for overall quality of game. Let devs focus on game not on rewards for people who pay. BTW LoL is instant action game not a game like CU is gonna be. CU is gonna have legendary moments that might be unpredictable and we need it to be paid not free.
Ehh..as if there are no kids in P2P games right?
Thank the Gods WoW has a P2P model. I hate playing with children...oh, wait...
Originally posted by morfidon Originally posted by dynamicipftw For everyone who is still anti-F2P: Try Path of Exile. Then compare it to D3 (unlimited funds). You will find out that more money doesn't always equal better games.
D3 and Path of Exile has nothing to do with mmo.
And yet they are still listed on MMORPG.com.
I agree that a sub as the only option is extremely bad for this game.
It needs to be a tiered ftp-sub game.
If PvP is centric, population is crucial. Things may be fine at launch with it being a sub only game but once most of the launch crowd dissappear it's going to destroy the main reason for playing.. RvR.
I seriously don't see the point of threads like this, if you cannot or do not want to pay subs don't play this game. It's pretty simple no one is making you play it :P. Like Mark said over and over again, this game is aimed for a niche market and does not cater to everyone.
MMORPG = Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
If they are RPGS... Online... and massively multiplayer then yes they are MMOs and can be comapred in a light to CU.
Originally posted by flizzer I would prefer f2p. I doubt I would play this game if it was a sub. Fail to see how sub games are better than f2p,
Well, there are a lot of f2p setups, but generally, I'm distrustful of that system and it's incredibly immersion-breaking. It feels like you're getting nickel-and-dimed to death and you have to continually "unlock" the game as you go.
I've never paid in any game like that, I usually just screw around a few hours, then quit. To me it's as annoying as cardboard ads in books and magazines. Read a page, have to rip a card out, read another page, rip another card out, ad infinitum. And I bet the people who lead in those games pay a lot more than $15-20/month. So, it is pay to win, which would be the death of CU.
Once I'm in a game, I want to focus on gameplay. For an RvR game with the goals stated for CU, I think it's essential to have a subscription-based plan. Once you're in, everyone has same access and you're in that world.
I'm glad Mark/CSE are pushing a multi-tiered subscription plan; until we see what that entails, we can't jump to requesting "free to play". However, I wouldn't be opposed to F2P if all F2P accounts were bound to the lowest levels and could only speak in /say and /group chats, and were unable to access the majority of the game except the major RvR areas. Basically easy fodder for actual subscription players.
I would respond to the people in favor of the F2P plan, but it's trivial. If you can't afford a cheap monthly fee for your gaming expense, you shouldn't be playing games in the first place - go get a job that doesn't pay minimum wage. There's games out there that are built from the ground up with the F2P model in mind; go play that. In the end, it won't happen for CU. Pointless discussion and thread should be locked IMO.
Originally posted by Stiler Originally posted by kraiden I will never play a game for enjoyment thats Free to play, review them? Sure, but for my own casual at home consumption I know its a business. More money and more profits mean more work hours. more work hours = more patches. more patches = better product. Think about it, what killed warhammer? a rough spot when the economy in real life took a nose dive also the same time they had a major bugs that just didnt get fixed fast enough and made a large chunk of the population leave. and thats a company WITH subs. compare how many patches came out for DAoC in the first 18 months compared to the number of patches that came out for LoTR. Even Guildwars which is selling like hotcakes still dosent have patches fast enough. I will pay my 15 bucks per month. 80 of us pay 15 per month and thats the salary for a QA , change management or a Jr Dev.
I'm not sure what you're geting at here? ARe you implaying that a f2p game doesn't get patches fast enough, or have the means (money) to get them done in a timely manner?
It isn't like a free to play game developer constantly hires someone when they sell a few items on their cash shop then turns around and fires that person until they "sell" some more or something.
Guild Wars 2 for instance, has been having some decent NEW content patchest hat come around each month or so, compared to other mmo's that have sub's that dont' really get any new "content" updates rather maybe simple holiday events here and there but nothing major, until expansions and such.
I just don't see a connectiont o "patches" and f2p vs sub based, in my experience there's no huge difference vs them. If there' a bug or problem with the game, having the game be sub-based or f2p, the turn around to getting it patched seems similar to me regardless of where the money comes from.
"In my experience there's no huge difference vs them."
That makes many of the subscription model players cases because those of us who approve of the subscription model have experiences where there is a huge difference, and you obviously either are a new age mmo player or haven't played a large variety of mmo's.
Sorry but the only example f2p players ever have are GW2 and SWTOR which are both garbage games in comparison to those of us who have subscribed to titles in the past.
"GW2 for instance has some decent new content patches."
Played GW2 and no the patches were not decent, maybe decent to a f2p expectation but unfortunately these are not my games of preference and their patches were unacceptable compaired to what i was used to.
What happened to structured pvp patch with custom games? Was supposed to come out months ago but its a f2p game so they cater to what will make them $, and right now thats PvE content so you get a few seasonal events and patches and you think this compaires to that of a healthy sub's game updates?
Not to mention GW2 pve is shallow at best most of my guildies were maxed out with little to do by the end of the first month, and WvW still has 0 purpose besides zerg fest...
Subscription model? Yes please, that way we can actually have things besides just timely patches, but actual content expansion with new classes, zones, loot etc..
yeah 23 pages for nothing, since MJ said it
IT WILL BE SUB BASED !!!! i wonder how people can write if they obviously cant read or listen
This thread is possibly the most catastrophic waste of time, effort and bandwidth in the history of the multiverse. I'm proud to be part of it.
PRATTLE ON, HEROES! PRATTLE ON!
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RED IS DEAD!
Yada yada... they will do what they will do. So did EA do what they wanted to. And where are they now...
Sub based games are thing of the past, as retro as saturday night fever. F2P will win in every account. I guess there is no past learning this lesson for CU makers also. It's their business, its their call.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Originally posted by PerfArt
...I will record fucking Oprah and Ellen for them.
Which one are you going to fuck first? Quite honestly, I think I'd like to see that recording, too.
Originally posted by Tumblebutz Originally posted by PerfArt
...I will record fucking Oprah and Ellen for them.