Mob grinding, but with a party. EQ and FFXI rocked! I can't play quest grinders.
This. There was something to be said sitting in one spot for hours with the same group of people in FFXI. I don't think anyone would disagree that it definitely facilitates community more than running from hub to hub.
there was very little talking involved in my xp grind parties in ffxi, even the ones that i wasn't in mostly japanese speaking parties using the auto-chat feature
I find grinding mobs to be better, but it needs to be mixed up. Like, keep XP gain limited to mobs, but give quest chains as you level that tell a story, and has some epic moments and boss fights, and reward you with items and coin.
Actually, achievement systems could take the place of regular quests. Say, an achievement to "Kill 100 Super Raptors in the Blarney Hills", and when you do so, you get the achievement and rewards.
Basically, in the end, progression needs to be mixed up a little to ward off boredom, because all of one or the other just isn't very fun, in my opinion.
Mob grinding was far FAR superior. It allowed you to pick your own level of difficulty, it encouraged socializing, it let you explore where you wanted, and it was honest.
We knew it was a grind, but at least the game wasn't trying to gussy it up and give you chores and then call them "Quests". The game respected you more.
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
The baby doesn't need to get tossed out with the bathwater.
XP is just such a core assumption among gamers (including people like myself who come form the pen-and-paper tradition) that letting go of it will open up a new horizon of game development opportunities. Everyone who has played MMOs has seen the man behind the curtain that is the XP grind.
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
and AoW.
If there are quest they should give almost nothing. Same with mob grinds. The thing is, this means the developer has to think, and create other systems.
Originally posted by Psychow I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. ...
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Originally posted by Psychow I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. ...
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.
You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by ArclanOriginally posted by PsychowI'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. ...
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
You are confusing Diablo with an MMO, friend.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
and AoW.
If there are quest they should give almost nothing. Same with mob grinds. The thing is, this means the developer has to think, and create other systems.
I don't hold that quests should give 'almost nothing.' Just that they shouldn't give XP. Other rewards - gold, reputation, whatever, those are cool.
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
and AoW.
If there are quest they should give almost nothing. Same with mob grinds. The thing is, this means the developer has to think, and create other systems.
I don't hold that quests should give 'almost nothing.' Just that they shouldn't give XP. Other rewards - gold, reputation, whatever, those are cool.
Just not XP. Generally, anyway.
Depends on the quest, I agree that collecting apples for nanny shouldn't give exp... but depending on the kind of quest your doing, it should give exp.
Personally I wish more games diversified your combat training into more than killing stuff, like real training, it could be "quests" to attend fencing lessons to enable working sword attacks, or running an obstercal course to make you stronger. There are ways to make combat, whether your pursuing quest or grinding mobs, less operation intensive yet still visually and tactically entertaining so you can socialize more, but whether you quest or grind mobs, you can still be to busy to socialize. I mean look at any action MMO, what if all your exp was from grinding?, you still have to mash buttons and maneuver constantly so your not going to be talking about jack...
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
and AoW.
If there are quest they should give almost nothing. Same with mob grinds. The thing is, this means the developer has to think, and create other systems.
I don't hold that quests should give 'almost nothing.' Just that they shouldn't give XP. Other rewards - gold, reputation, whatever, those are cool.
Just not XP. Generally, anyway.
Depends on the quest, I agree that collecting apples for nanny shouldn't give exp... but depending on the kind of quest your doing, it should give exp.
Personally I wish more games diversified your combat training into more than killing stuff, like real training, it could be "quests" to attend fencing lessons to enable working sword attacks, or running an obstercal course to make you stronger. There are ways to make combat, whether your pursuing quest or grinding mobs, less operation intensive yet still visually and tactically entertaining so you can socialize more, but whether you quest or grind mobs, you can still be to busy to socialize. I mean look at any action MMO, what if all your exp was from grinding?, you still have to mash buttons and maneuver constantly so your not going to be talking about jack...
Ingame VOIP is a thing these days, and it tends to sidestep around that particular competition.
I may be old-school on a few things, but there are some things modern games are bringing up that I do appreciate. This is one of them.
Gaming has changed alot over the years imho, so much even that alot of you can not even think out of the box anymore....its all OR quest grind OR mob grinding.......when i look back to the years of UO it had neither of those and i could not wait to get home from work to login.
There were no quests, no XP.......just skillpoint that you could train to develope the character you were playing.
Skills like magery, fencing, swordsmanship, provoking, taming, blacksmithing, mining, musicianship, cooking, fishing, cartography, wrestling, tailoring, tinkering and more.
I remember i couldn't choose wether i would go fighting in a dungeon or graveyard or fishing.....or just go looking for herbs in the forests and shaving a sheep for there wool when i saw one running in those same woods.....or maybe make me some dye's or redecorate my house a bit.....go out and mark me some runes for mining spots or dungeons to create my own dungeon recall book en mining recall spots book.
The options where almost endless and all this without quests or having to grind for XP......just have fun doing some skills you want to and get a gain in that skill once every hour
Selling your stuff was people around the bank in town just yelling "selling blablabla" or "get your rune to my shop here".....hell alot of them even opened gates to there shops.
Back then people talked in game and it was like the virtual world a real mmorpg needs to be imho.
Now all mmo's are just lobby games.....the virtual expirience is no more.
But if that's what the people like, that's what you will get.
I just hope that someday a new UO comes out in a real 3D world......that would be awesome (but that prolly won't happen).
So my point to the OP is.....there should be no poison, just fun.
Originally posted by PsychowI'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. ...
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.
You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
You are confusing Diablo with an MMO, friend.
Close enough for me. You go in, run some dungeons with friends. Do some AH and crafting. Isn't most players play WOW like that?
VoIP allows you to communicate during an action game, but it isn't adequate to socialize, when your gameplay is intense and input intensive, you simply can't form casual conversations as effectively. Unfortunately action gameplay works almost inversely against social enrichment, VoIP may increase communication and depending on how difficult the game is, it may be possible for some ppl to socialize, but it certainly isn't an environment that fosters it.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.
Killing mobs is what is the most fun for me in mmorpgs, aside from pvp.
Nothing i hate more than spending level 1-max running back and forth between NPC's quest hubs, and killing fields.
Bring back the art of progressing at my own pace via killing mobs...but not like a crappy grinder where the mobs are worthless on multiple levels. Loot needs to be rewarding and rare. There needs to be diversity depending on what you kill and what you get. There needs to be stuff beyond maybe getting good gear drops...materials to farm like in a sandbox.
And really the ONLY place this farming on mobs exists is in sandboxes.
MMORPG's have turned into fetch quests, fedex quests, running back and forth..and occasionally you get to kill 5-15 of the mobs in the area, once, as your racing past them fed-ex'ing to the next hub.
Im glad so many people here miss this, mmorpgs need to go back to progressing via mob kills, at your own pace. Get rid of the oh so boring 5man dungeons, bring back 7-8 man dungeons with pullers, cc's, heals, tank dps ect. no more instanced dungeons, open world public dungeons.
Wont ever happen...went the way of the sandbox beyond pvp.
Originally posted by PsychowI'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. ...
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.
You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
You are confusing Diablo with an MMO, friend.
Close enough for me. You go in, run some dungeons with friends. Do some AH and crafting. Isn't most players play WOW like that?
Yes, Blizzard's take on RPG's is very similiar to Blizzard's take on RPG's.... cannot believe I had to type that.
This debate is off, however. Really what people are debating is downtime versus constant activity. Games which had downtime built into them (as a time sink, if you like), like FFXI, Everquest, Lineage, and Eve Online have a much better social element than games where you're constantly engaging with NPC's, quest givers, or running to the next quest giver.
I don't want to speak for every one of the older crowd, but in general the older games like more strategic combat (more thought, less twitch) and more social gameplay (have to make friends and communicate to get things done). For many of us the appeal is the community, much moreso than the gameplay, and what gameplay there is, we want it to be a littly more cerebral. It used to be when you played games you had to decide when to use a spel or skill. Now adays the 'when" is whenever it refreshes on your hotkey. . When GW2 announced that you had to dodge attacks there were a million groans of protest, because we don't want to dodge attacks, we want to roleplay characters who can dodge atttacks.
Many of the posters on this thread never have had the satisfaction of working together with 70 other players, using 3 chat channels simultaneously to take down a bad ass god or dragon that you've tried four times previously and failed. The feeling of community and accomplishment you get from doing that can't be replaced by anything else.
i pick none of them. grinding mobs is horribly boring and teddious. Granding quest can be as boring and teddious when all you have to do is kill 10 rats over and over to collect 10 bear asses no matter who you are playing with. Im sorry for my friends but if im not doing that just because they are playing it. No more!
Ive said this like a bagillion times. After GW2 swapped quest grind with dynamic events. I dont look back to mmos with grind quests or grind mobs to gain exp and progress my character.
Whatever comes next MUST have a better mechanic than what GW2 offered or they will never see my money. Quest progression and combat is what i do the most in mmos to keep myself playing so they have to be good, and different form all the old stuff that its already sickening.
Many of the posters on this thread never have had the satisfaction of working together with 70 other players, using 3 chat channels simultaneously to take down a bad ass god or dragon that you've tried four times previously and failed. The feeling of community and accomplishment you get from doing that can't be replaced by anything else.
Diffrerent strokes for different folks. I find groups of that size more annoying than satisfying. There is 'community,' but it's the kind that reminds me why I chose to spend hours learning basic programming on my vic20 alone instead of playing t-ball with the other kids.
And the 'feeling of accomplishment' - for me at least - tends to be somewhat offset by a feeling of redundancy and replacability; like any half-competent body could have sat in my place and it would have made a negligible difference. Whether that's true or not is beside the point; the 'feeling' that it was was there, and it left the experience less than satisfying for me.
I don't like "grind" , mob or quest don't make thing diffrence.
The meanless feeling when hunting million monster or run from quest to quest to gather EXP for next lvl don't go away.
seriously
Monster or quest born to challenge player. If they not hard enough, then all are meanless.
I specialy don't like "grind" quests .
They (developers) make "quests" like a bad food , i can't stomach too much of them.
So
I prefer "grind" mob for exp and do quest for fun and reward.
In my point of view , best way to build up your character in RPG are hunting monster.
It just that developer to lazy to created good monster to make "mob grind" interest. They too lazy so they ask player to kill million half ass monster for exp to next level.
They created quest grind to make player leveling fast , but the true's that just a mask to hide the "mob grind" at "end game".
What you called "quest grind" just a big lie of developer to hide the true face of hardcore mob grind game. Because "true game" only start when you level max .
Yeah , a endless instance mob grind as "end game content" *evil smile*.
I spend a lot of my mmo time working with a partner (two=three is the perfect sized group, works for either activity equally well imho).
But popping on to quest solo? Sure, I can get into "leave me alone" moods too. Don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
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there was very little talking involved in my xp grind parties in ffxi, even the ones that i wasn't in mostly japanese speaking parties using the auto-chat feature
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I find grinding mobs to be better, but it needs to be mixed up. Like, keep XP gain limited to mobs, but give quest chains as you level that tell a story, and has some epic moments and boss fights, and reward you with items and coin.
Actually, achievement systems could take the place of regular quests. Say, an achievement to "Kill 100 Super Raptors in the Blarney Hills", and when you do so, you get the achievement and rewards.
Basically, in the end, progression needs to be mixed up a little to ward off boredom, because all of one or the other just isn't very fun, in my opinion.
But at the very least, tone down questing.
Neither.
Get rid of xp grind and use a time-based system similar to Eve. Games with XP grind are stuck in the past.
I thought returning to the MMO past/roots is what people here dream about....
Mob grinding was far FAR superior. It allowed you to pick your own level of difficulty, it encouraged socializing, it let you explore where you wanted, and it was honest.
We knew it was a grind, but at least the game wasn't trying to gussy it up and give you chores and then call them "Quests". The game respected you more.
The baby doesn't need to get tossed out with the bathwater.
XP is just such a core assumption among gamers (including people like myself who come form the pen-and-paper tradition) that letting go of it will open up a new horizon of game development opportunities. Everyone who has played MMOs has seen the man behind the curtain that is the XP grind.
and AoW.
If there are quest they should give almost nothing. Same with mob grinds. The thing is, this means the developer has to think, and create other systems.
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd rather spend online time talking with players (mob grinding) rather than NPCs (quest grinding). TBH, questing is far more mindless than interacting with other humans.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
You are confused. Mob grinding is fighting the same mob over and over again.
If you want to chat, just chat. You can do it in any game with a chat channel. If you are questing, you can always choose to rest a moment and chat.
Chatting is not a part of mob grinding gameplay. In fact, you mob grind in Diablo, diablo 2 and Diablo 3. Do you see many chatting?
You are confusing Diablo with an MMO, friend.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I don't hold that quests should give 'almost nothing.' Just that they shouldn't give XP. Other rewards - gold, reputation, whatever, those are cool.
Just not XP. Generally, anyway.
Depends on the quest, I agree that collecting apples for nanny shouldn't give exp... but depending on the kind of quest your doing, it should give exp.
Personally I wish more games diversified your combat training into more than killing stuff, like real training, it could be "quests" to attend fencing lessons to enable working sword attacks, or running an obstercal course to make you stronger. There are ways to make combat, whether your pursuing quest or grinding mobs, less operation intensive yet still visually and tactically entertaining so you can socialize more, but whether you quest or grind mobs, you can still be to busy to socialize. I mean look at any action MMO, what if all your exp was from grinding?, you still have to mash buttons and maneuver constantly so your not going to be talking about jack...
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.
Ingame VOIP is a thing these days, and it tends to sidestep around that particular competition.
I may be old-school on a few things, but there are some things modern games are bringing up that I do appreciate. This is one of them.
Gaming has changed alot over the years imho, so much even that alot of you can not even think out of the box anymore....its all OR quest grind OR mob grinding.......when i look back to the years of UO it had neither of those and i could not wait to get home from work to login.
There were no quests, no XP.......just skillpoint that you could train to develope the character you were playing.
Skills like magery, fencing, swordsmanship, provoking, taming, blacksmithing, mining, musicianship, cooking, fishing, cartography, wrestling, tailoring, tinkering and more.
I remember i couldn't choose wether i would go fighting in a dungeon or graveyard or fishing.....or just go looking for herbs in the forests and shaving a sheep for there wool when i saw one running in those same woods.....or maybe make me some dye's or redecorate my house a bit.....go out and mark me some runes for mining spots or dungeons to create my own dungeon recall book en mining recall spots book.
The options where almost endless and all this without quests or having to grind for XP......just have fun doing some skills you want to and get a gain in that skill once every hour
Selling your stuff was people around the bank in town just yelling "selling blablabla" or "get your rune to my shop here".....hell alot of them even opened gates to there shops.
Back then people talked in game and it was like the virtual world a real mmorpg needs to be imho.
Now all mmo's are just lobby games.....the virtual expirience is no more.
But if that's what the people like, that's what you will get.
I just hope that someday a new UO comes out in a real 3D world......that would be awesome (but that prolly won't happen).
So my point to the OP is.....there should be no poison, just fun.
Close enough for me. You go in, run some dungeons with friends. Do some AH and crafting. Isn't most players play WOW like that?
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What is the difference? You kill lots of mobs in both situations. It is not like they change the combat mechanics.
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VoIP allows you to communicate during an action game, but it isn't adequate to socialize, when your gameplay is intense and input intensive, you simply can't form casual conversations as effectively. Unfortunately action gameplay works almost inversely against social enrichment, VoIP may increase communication and depending on how difficult the game is, it may be possible for some ppl to socialize, but it certainly isn't an environment that fosters it.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.
Killing mobs is what is the most fun for me in mmorpgs, aside from pvp.
Nothing i hate more than spending level 1-max running back and forth between NPC's quest hubs, and killing fields.
Bring back the art of progressing at my own pace via killing mobs...but not like a crappy grinder where the mobs are worthless on multiple levels. Loot needs to be rewarding and rare. There needs to be diversity depending on what you kill and what you get. There needs to be stuff beyond maybe getting good gear drops...materials to farm like in a sandbox.
And really the ONLY place this farming on mobs exists is in sandboxes.
MMORPG's have turned into fetch quests, fedex quests, running back and forth..and occasionally you get to kill 5-15 of the mobs in the area, once, as your racing past them fed-ex'ing to the next hub.
Im glad so many people here miss this, mmorpgs need to go back to progressing via mob kills, at your own pace. Get rid of the oh so boring 5man dungeons, bring back 7-8 man dungeons with pullers, cc's, heals, tank dps ect. no more instanced dungeons, open world public dungeons.
Wont ever happen...went the way of the sandbox beyond pvp.
Yes, Blizzard's take on RPG's is very similiar to Blizzard's take on RPG's.... cannot believe I had to type that.
This debate is off, however. Really what people are debating is downtime versus constant activity. Games which had downtime built into them (as a time sink, if you like), like FFXI, Everquest, Lineage, and Eve Online have a much better social element than games where you're constantly engaging with NPC's, quest givers, or running to the next quest giver.
I don't want to speak for every one of the older crowd, but in general the older games like more strategic combat (more thought, less twitch) and more social gameplay (have to make friends and communicate to get things done). For many of us the appeal is the community, much moreso than the gameplay, and what gameplay there is, we want it to be a littly more cerebral. It used to be when you played games you had to decide when to use a spel or skill. Now adays the 'when" is whenever it refreshes on your hotkey. . When GW2 announced that you had to dodge attacks there were a million groans of protest, because we don't want to dodge attacks, we want to roleplay characters who can dodge atttacks.
Many of the posters on this thread never have had the satisfaction of working together with 70 other players, using 3 chat channels simultaneously to take down a bad ass god or dragon that you've tried four times previously and failed. The feeling of community and accomplishment you get from doing that can't be replaced by anything else.
i pick none of them. grinding mobs is horribly boring and teddious. Granding quest can be as boring and teddious when all you have to do is kill 10 rats over and over to collect 10 bear asses no matter who you are playing with. Im sorry for my friends but if im not doing that just because they are playing it. No more!
Ive said this like a bagillion times. After GW2 swapped quest grind with dynamic events. I dont look back to mmos with grind quests or grind mobs to gain exp and progress my character.
Whatever comes next MUST have a better mechanic than what GW2 offered or they will never see my money. Quest progression and combat is what i do the most in mmos to keep myself playing so they have to be good, and different form all the old stuff that its already sickening.
Diffrerent strokes for different folks. I find groups of that size more annoying than satisfying. There is 'community,' but it's the kind that reminds me why I chose to spend hours learning basic programming on my vic20 alone instead of playing t-ball with the other kids.
And the 'feeling of accomplishment' - for me at least - tends to be somewhat offset by a feeling of redundancy and replacability; like any half-competent body could have sat in my place and it would have made a negligible difference. Whether that's true or not is beside the point; the 'feeling' that it was was there, and it left the experience less than satisfying for me.
I don't like "grind" , mob or quest don't make thing diffrence.
The meanless feeling when hunting million monster or run from quest to quest to gather EXP for next lvl don't go away.
seriously
Monster or quest born to challenge player. If they not hard enough, then all are meanless.
I specialy don't like "grind" quests .
They (developers) make "quests" like a bad food , i can't stomach too much of them.
So
I prefer "grind" mob for exp and do quest for fun and reward.
In my point of view , best way to build up your character in RPG are hunting monster.
It just that developer to lazy to created good monster to make "mob grind" interest. They too lazy so they ask player to kill million half ass monster for exp to next level.
They created quest grind to make player leveling fast , but the true's that just a mask to hide the "mob grind" at "end game".
What you called "quest grind" just a big lie of developer to hide the true face of hardcore mob grind game. Because "true game" only start when you level max .
Yeah , a endless instance mob grind as "end game content" *evil smile*.
This, I think.
I spend a lot of my mmo time working with a partner (two=three is the perfect sized group, works for either activity equally well imho).
But popping on to quest solo? Sure, I can get into "leave me alone" moods too. Don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.