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  • evemaster00evemaster00 LondonPosts: 171Member
    Originally posted by tkreep
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by tkreep

    Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

    If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

    If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

    Ask trion every developer does their testing different, i was just stating what a alpha build is and not to judge the full game when it is released by it. Im not saying there will be a magic patch because there prolly wont be but for a alpha build it looks pretty good compared to most mmos that let you play in a beta build.  And the players that got the chance to play in the alpha build are all just in the starter areas of the game because every player video i see on youtube they are all in the starter areas.  When the game is released you wont get a patch but the full game which is prolly going to look a lot better than the alpha build they are letting players play.  What im pretty much saying is that they prolly already have the final build of the game ready to deploy but only showing the players a alpha build which will not be patched or updated or anything like that but only used as a way for player feed back on the game to maybe make some touch ups on the final build before they release it. The alpha build is prolly the only reason they gave us a short beta weekend to play because its not the full game.  Also on top of that big game companys like microsoft and sony has a policy of making sure the game releases on their consoles are up to their level of standards when it comes to quality especially for console releases. 

    Wrong, it has been confirmed by Trion that the alpha build is the full game that we will get on release. It will take players about 20 hours to complete the story and be done with the progression side of things.  If you like progression and item hunting, you're going to feel very let down by Defiance. I've played mods on Quake 2 with deeper rpg elements and character customisation.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    Looking back at the forum history of this title I am going to have to agree with the OP. It seems MMORPG.com has really gone out of their way to either delete negative threads or lock them with no further comment.

    I guess the sticky post at the top about the NDA was pretty much meant to stifle all discussion because I saw threads locked that did not appear to violate the NDA in any way, all locked with no comment.

    Seriously disappointing to me as a long time poster, my apologies to the OP for doubting. Will be taking this up further with MikeB.

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  • FugglyFuggly Newport News, VAPosts: 141Member
    Wanna hear something funny OP? mmorpg.com does the same thing, say anything negative about them and you will get a temp ban and your post will be deleted. 

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Every single new game, same thread.

    Mah Phreedums!

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  • rawfoxrawfox HamburgPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fuggly
    Wanna hear something funny OP? mmorpg.com does the same thing, say anything negative about them and you will get a temp ban and your post will be deleted. 

    Its the money.

    This site actually falls down into the corporation throat and they report what they should instead of what they think.

    Guess if you are a game journalist here reporting your stuff in all honest, you'd be fired. We have examples from the past already.

     

    And about Defiance ... im playing Firefall actually, why should i install Defiance ?

    Give me a reason please ...

  • ReaperUkReaperUk Cambridgeshire, UKPosts: 657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rawfox

    And about Defiance ... im playing Firefall actually, why should i install Defiance ?

    Give me a reason please ...

    You might find the same as I did having been in both the Firefall closed beta and Defiance alpha. I stopped playing Firefall but pre-ordered Defiance.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon

    What is so hard about keeping your contract and test without breaking an NDA.

    Why do people feel the sense of self entitlement by "whistle blowing" the Pre release content when the truth of it will come out in the end anyway.

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  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member

    Oh boo freaking hoo. I see this claim on just about ANY first party game forums. Truth of the matter is, if your remarks are deemed slanderous and outright disrespectful you will either be banned or have your thread locked/deleted.

    If I was on their shoes I'd be doing the same. I'm open for criticisms and constructive discussions, but I'm not just gonna let everything pass by like I have no respect for myself or my hard work.

  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common

    I bought the game.  It's only $60 to find out for myself.  Plus, can jump back in at any point to shoot stuff.  Not like it's a proper MMORPG that will take me away from anything, just a pretty time-waster tied to what hopefully will be an interesting show.

     

    Nothing to get worked up about really.  I'm expecting something close to an online version of borderlands.

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  • evemaster00evemaster00 LondonPosts: 171Member
    Originally posted by arieste

    I bought the game.  It's only $60 to find out for myself.  Plus, can jump back in at any point to shoot stuff.  Not like it's a proper MMORPG that will take me away from anything, just a pretty time-waster tied to what hopefully will be an interesting show.

     

    Nothing to get worked up about really.  I'm expecting something close to an online version of borderlands.

     

    As i already said, if you don't mind wasting the money, go ahead and buy it. But to those who are more careful with their budget, there's a good chance you'll regret your purchase.

    I expect Defiance to cost very little if you wait a few months.

  • sancher36sancher36 housePosts: 457Member
    Originally posted by evemaster00
    Originally posted by arieste

    I bought the game.  It's only $60 to find out for myself.  Plus, can jump back in at any point to shoot stuff.  Not like it's a proper MMORPG that will take me away from anything, just a pretty time-waster tied to what hopefully will be an interesting show.

     

    Nothing to get worked up about really.  I'm expecting something close to an online version of borderlands.

     

    As i already said, if you don't mind wasting the money, go ahead and buy it. But to those who are more careful with their budget, there's a good chance you'll regret your purchase.

    I expect Defiance to cost very little if you wait a few months.

    All games drop in price after so many months after launch so whats your point??

    Also as you have not played defiance to its full therefore you cannot give a full informed opinion of the game. 

  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member
    Originally posted by rawfox
    Originally posted by Fuggly
    Wanna hear something funny OP? mmorpg.com does the same thing, say anything negative about them and you will get a temp ban and your post will be deleted. 

    Its the money.

    This site actually falls down into the corporation throat and they report what they should instead of what they think.

    Guess if you are a game journalist here reporting your stuff in all honest, you'd be fired. We have examples from the past already.

     

    And about Defiance ... im playing Firefall actually, why should i install Defiance ?

    Give me a reason please ...

    first in response to this post, in the time it has taken defience to go from alpha to beta to people freaking out, firefall has been out in pay for beta for almost a year, and hasnt changed a SINGLE thing in that time frame, or added new content, hell they dont even have mission all you do is run around at random and drill for resources.

    dont get me wrong the thing has potential but i lost intrest after they sat on it with no missions after a year., at least defience has a story to it.

    to everything else.

    honestly we get this kind of thread for every new MMO, game whatever that is comeing out. thier is always someone who rants on about how big brother or the system is out there to screw you over. give it a rest and let people find out for themselves if they like it or not, its not like its gonna cost them to try it, since you know we are in the F2P era, heck people rant and rave that that is the greatness of the F2P era.

     

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  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common
    Originally posted by evemaster00
    I expect Defiance to cost very little if you wait a few months.

    Pretty much every game costs very little after a few months.  I regularly buy past "games of the year" at $9.99.   I've watched the live-streams of the game and have heard from several people who's opinion I can more or less trust and while I may not play the game for long, it definitely looks sounds good enough to fool around with. 

     

    Worst case scenario is it'll serve as a nice prologue to the show.  Anyhow, open beta is this weekend, so we can fully expect lots and lots of opinions on the game.

     

    Considering just how much outright trashing there was on this forum of titles like GW2 and TOR, I seriously doubt that they're outright deleting negative threads that don't violate the NDA.   Of course, while the game is actually under NDA, chances are that if you make a negative post, it is highly likely that it's either trolling (baseless accusations) or NDA violation (accusations based on info you shouldn't be sharing). 

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Nitth

    Why do people feel the sense of self entitlement by "whistle blowing" the Pre release content when the truth of it will come out in the end anyway.

    Mrs. Grundy really enjoys playing First Whistle in the whistle chorus.

    I don't know, if anyone ever really figures out what makes Doom Prophet such an attractive position, let us know. They're an essential part of the pre-release buzz.

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  • DerrosDerros Posts: 1,077Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    I just want to re-quote this, because alot of people like jumping on a game hate bandwagon without actually knowing, or completely misunderstanding what the thread was about in the first place.

  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon

    Why whould you have anything negative to say about defiance.  It's a great game, everything works, and if it's not your cup of tea, then so be it.  It's not for you, that doesn't mean it's a horrible game.  It's not like AoC when it came out, riddled with bugs, and just about nothing worked...I wish people would stop stating opinions as facts.

     

    Edit: I can't count the number of threads I've seen, especially lately, all about I hate such and such game, so noone else buy it, If I dont' like it, noone can possibly like it. If you don't like it, then don't play it, simple as that.

  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    I just want to re-quote this, because alot of people like jumping on a game hate bandwagon without actually knowing, or completely misunderstanding what the thread was about in the first place.

    funny casue you know if this was all true wouoldnt this post have been deleted by now. . . . . . . . . . . or maybe you broke the NDA in your other posts that where deleted which you know they are required by law to delete, or be held accountable as a accompliss to the breaking of the NDA and failure to delete such post could lead to a lawsuit agisnt them.

    maybe you should think about that before makeing rant post. but meh dont worry i have played in all the beta weekends and i alreayd know what the game is like, so keep ranting cause i find it amuseing.

     

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  • DerrosDerros Posts: 1,077Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Squeak69
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    I just want to re-quote this, because alot of people like jumping on a game hate bandwagon without actually knowing, or completely misunderstanding what the thread was about in the first place.

    funny casue you know if this was all true wouoldnt this post have been deleted by now. . . . . . . . . . . or maybe you broke the NDA in your other posts that where deleted which you know they are required by law to delete, or be held accountable as a accompliss to the breaking of the NDA and failure to delete such post could lead to a lawsuit agisnt them.

    maybe you should think about that before makeing rant post. but meh dont worry i have played in all the beta weekends and i alreayd know what the game is like, so keep ranting cause i find it amuseing.

     

    I was directing that more toward the people that automatically assumed that it was Trion that was deleting the negative posts on their forums, which wasnt was the OP was talking about.

  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by Squeak69
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    I just want to re-quote this, because alot of people like jumping on a game hate bandwagon without actually knowing, or completely misunderstanding what the thread was about in the first place.

    funny casue you know if this was all true wouoldnt this post have been deleted by now. . . . . . . . . . . or maybe you broke the NDA in your other posts that where deleted which you know they are required by law to delete, or be held accountable as a accompliss to the breaking of the NDA and failure to delete such post could lead to a lawsuit agisnt them.

    maybe you should think about that before makeing rant post. but meh dont worry i have played in all the beta weekends and i alreayd know what the game is like, so keep ranting cause i find it amuseing.

     

    I was directing that more toward the people that automatically assumed that it was Trion that was deleting the negative posts on their forums, which wasnt was the OP was talking about.

    to be honest that wasnt very clear to me till after i had rea the thread for a bit, since the OP first post was a bit more on the hate side and less on the reasoning side,

    and i do understand what your sayiong but i still find this whole thing silly.

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  • DerrosDerros Posts: 1,077Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Squeak69
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by Squeak69
    Originally posted by Derros
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    I just want to re-quote this, because alot of people like jumping on a game hate bandwagon without actually knowing, or completely misunderstanding what the thread was about in the first place.

    funny casue you know if this was all true wouoldnt this post have been deleted by now. . . . . . . . . . . or maybe you broke the NDA in your other posts that where deleted which you know they are required by law to delete, or be held accountable as a accompliss to the breaking of the NDA and failure to delete such post could lead to a lawsuit agisnt them.

    maybe you should think about that before makeing rant post. but meh dont worry i have played in all the beta weekends and i alreayd know what the game is like, so keep ranting cause i find it amuseing.

     

    I was directing that more toward the people that automatically assumed that it was Trion that was deleting the negative posts on their forums, which wasnt was the OP was talking about.

    to be honest that wasnt very clear to me till after i had rea the thread for a bit, since the OP first post was a bit more on the hate side and less on the reasoning side,

    and i do understand what your sayiong but i still find this whole thing silly.

    I do agree with you there.  Dont get me wrong I liked what I played last beta, Heck i even pre-ordered the season pass.  Thats my tax return gift to myself since there really isnt anything on the horizon that interests me, barring neverwinter, but I dont need to pay for that initially =D.

  • RzepRzep warsawPosts: 716Member Uncommon

    This thread reeks of "QQ I was banned for being a douche". Reading the OPs post I have doubts whether his posts were civil. Also the whole NDA thing...lol. Keys for this game are EVERYWHERE. Pretty much everyone who wants to try the game can do so no problem.

    Futhermore if your posts broke the NDA than mmorpg.com had to delete them or else they could be held accountable.

  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member
    Originally posted by Rzep

    This thread reeks of "QQ I was banned for being a douche". Reading the OPs post I have doubts whether his posts were civil. Also the whole NDA thing...lol. Keys for this game are EVERYWHERE. Pretty much everyone who wants to try the game can do so no problem.

    Futhermore if your posts broke the NDA than mmorpg.com had to delete them or else they could be held accountable.

    very true but it dousnt negate the NDA, otherwise i would be commenting more on the actual issues with the game instead of sounding like a fan boy, cause im actully on the fence depending on how one feature is handled.

    dont get me wrong i like the game but its is amazing how a good game can be broken by one thing.

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  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by evemaster00
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by evemaster00

    For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

    I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

    Not only has a site admin responded to you in a forum bashing both defiance and mmorpg, but they let you get away with a violation of the terms of the site.  And yet it is still here.  It must be one of those exceptions that proves the rule?

     

    They only let the person run after i called them out on it. The last seven attempts to make such a post were all deleted. Called them out and they let it ride.

     Do you really think that is the reason this thread still exists?  You called them out and broke the ToS of the site and they left it open because you called them out? (discussing moderation decisions is against the tos and should lead to deletion.)  I think this thread in general shows how lax they can be about their own rules.

  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common

    I think it's also quite ironic that this thread (intended to be negative) has probably brought more attention (and likely customers) to Defiance than anything else on this site, which seems to be largely ignoring the game (it's not even listed under "games in development" on the forum sitebar).

     

    My advice:  if you truly want to keep people away from a game - any game - don't talk about it.   Because any publicity is good publicity, especially on a site like this.

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  • AmanaAmana New York, NYPosts: 2,581Moderator Uncommon
    The thread has had its run. Nothing gets deleted or locked on the basis of opinions. If you have comments on a game that are not NDA-breaking, positive or negative, you can make them. For example, the weekend betas seemed to be open, according to Trion, so those are different than talking about closed testing.

    To give feedback on moderation, contact community@mmorpg.com

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