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Dedicated Buffing Classes

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  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member
    Originally posted by naezgul

    I'm worried with that few classes they will hybridize them too much.

    the array of "specialized" classes made the game great. 

    Class needs to fill a small niche 

    Specialised classes is a good thing but buff classes always wind up as buffbots which was the bane of DAoC. The simple need to have 2 accounts to compete on even footing as a solo stealther (arguably 3 for a SB) was rediculous.

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  • fanglofanglo Virginia, VAPosts: 290Member
    If there is a class that gives buffs players will multi-account to get that class. There will be some players that will park their bot in a keep or tower and spend their entire playtime at that keep waiting to attack anything that comes by.

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  • grogstormgrogstorm Peyton, COPosts: 304Member Uncommon

    Just a thought....

    Instead of having a class that primarily buffs others we get rid of this idea and look at a new paradigm.  What if we have a class who excels at bringing the best out of people?  This class has no buffs but instead helps others optimize their own innate abilities.

    Let’s call this an Optimizer.  If the Optimizer joins up with a Fighter archetype character the fighter would gain a strength bonus (assuming STR  is their primary attribute) and the Optimizer would get a small bonus as well (either STR or the Optimizers primary attribute).   In this symbiotic relationship both would automatically benefit from the partnership.  Just imagine a full group where everyone performs their role better than they could individually. Everyone would have a bonus to their primary stat.

    A variant to this would be the optimization is shared with everyone in the group.  So if the group has players with multiple primary attributes they could be shared with everyone else in the group.  So a group consisted of a Fighter (STR), Cleric (WIS), Rouge (DEX) and the Optimizer (INT) they would all gain a bonus to STR,WIS,DEX,INT.

    This mechanic would all but eliminate a buff bot as it would only give someone a small increase to their primary attribute and would not be worth an additional subscription.

    Grog

  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grogstorm

    Just a thought....

    Instead of having a class that primarily buffs others we get rid of this idea and look at a new paradigm.  What if we have a class who excels at bringing the best out of people?  This class has no buffs but instead helps others optimize their own innate abilities.

    Let’s call this an Optimizer.  If the Optimizer joins up with a Fighter archetype character the fighter would gain a strength bonus (assuming STR  is their primary attribute) and the Optimizer would get a small bonus as well (either STR or the Optimizers primary attribute).   In this symbiotic relationship both would automatically benefit from the partnership.  Just imagine a full group where everyone performs their role better than they could individually. Everyone would have a bonus to their primary stat.

    A variant to this would be the optimization is shared with everyone in the group.  So if the group has players with multiple primary attributes they could be shared with everyone else in the group.  So a group consisted of a Fighter (STR), Cleric (WIS), Rouge (DEX) and the Optimizer (INT) they would all gain a bonus to STR,WIS,DEX,INT.

    This mechanic would all but eliminate a buff bot as it would only give someone a small increase to their primary attribute and would not be worth an additional subscription.

    So basically it's a damage add chant. I have no problem with that.

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  • VargurVargur OsloPosts: 143Member
    Originally posted by meddyck
    Originally posted by grogstorm

    Just a thought....

    Instead of having a class that primarily buffs others we get rid of this idea and look at a new paradigm.  What if we have a class who excels at bringing the best out of people?  This class has no buffs but instead helps others optimize their own innate abilities.

    Let’s call this an Optimizer.  If the Optimizer joins up with a Fighter archetype character the fighter would gain a strength bonus (assuming STR  is their primary attribute) and the Optimizer would get a small bonus as well (either STR or the Optimizers primary attribute).   In this symbiotic relationship both would automatically benefit from the partnership.  Just imagine a full group where everyone performs their role better than they could individually. Everyone would have a bonus to their primary stat.

    A variant to this would be the optimization is shared with everyone in the group.  So if the group has players with multiple primary attributes they could be shared with everyone else in the group.  So a group consisted of a Fighter (STR), Cleric (WIS), Rouge (DEX) and the Optimizer (INT) they would all gain a bonus to STR,WIS,DEX,INT.

    This mechanic would all but eliminate a buff bot as it would only give someone a small increase to their primary attribute and would not be worth an additional subscription.

    So basically it's a damage add chant. I have no problem with that.

    The question is what other skills the Optimiser-class should have to make them a playable class. Some spells, speed, melee, interrupts, it could work. What needs to be considered with a class like this is stacking them within a group: Will they be so powerful that a group only needs a dps, two healers, and 5 Optimizers, or will one be sufficient for a group?

    I like the idea, and are thinking along the same lines regarding buffs.

  • giftkastaregiftkastare LouisianaPosts: 6Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grogstorm

    Just a thought....

    Instead of having a class that primarily buffs others we get rid of this idea and look at a new paradigm.  What if we have a class who excels at bringing the best out of people?  This class has no buffs but instead helps others optimize their own innate abilities.

    Let’s call this an Optimizer.  If the Optimizer joins up with a Fighter archetype character the fighter would gain a strength bonus (assuming STR  is their primary attribute) and the Optimizer would get a small bonus as well (either STR or the Optimizers primary attribute).   In this symbiotic relationship both would automatically benefit from the partnership.  Just imagine a full group where everyone performs their role better than they could individually. Everyone would have a bonus to their primary stat.

    A variant to this would be the optimization is shared with everyone in the group.  So if the group has players with multiple primary attributes they could be shared with everyone else in the group.  So a group consisted of a Fighter (STR), Cleric (WIS), Rouge (DEX) and the Optimizer (INT) they would all gain a bonus to STR,WIS,DEX,INT.

    This mechanic would all but eliminate a buff bot as it would only give someone a small increase to their primary attribute and would not be worth an additional subscription.

    Forgive me if there is a misunderstanding but how does the optimizer class differ from a buffbot? The rules are they have to be in the group and the whole group benefits. the only difference is that the buffbot also gains buffs specific to the classes they group with. So why wouldn't someone just multibox a few optimizers and park them in a keep while running around with a multiplier to their stats? 

    I suppose range restrictions would remedy that issue but unless there is a way to ensure an active player behind the optimizer, the ability to just /follow or park them is there.

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