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[Column] Scarlet Blade: Scarlet Blade... Really?

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  • RohnRohn Saint Peters, MOPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MurlockDance
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    Lets be honest, almost every game uses ads with chicks showing clevage.  Look at the Neverwinter or STO ads from Cryptic.  Those pictures dont even have anything to do with the game.  AoC had naked boobs, Mortal Online has penis.  This is the road we are on and I would not be surprised to see a mainstream MMO focused on Sex in the next decade with full frontal nudity and achievements for shagging your friends. 

    (No, Sexcraft is NOT a mainstream MMO)

    If it were more equal across the board, I would be fine with nudity/sex in video games, but there is no way anyone is going to convince me that it isn't heavily slanted towards male gratification and that to me is very much a big problem.

    So, by your own admission, objectification is not actually a problem, just the percentages given the demographics the games are designed for.  Got it - whatever males want is bad.

    Feminists have been demonizing everything male, and every biologically or culturally masculine trait, for decades.  Whatever men want or like is labelled as bad, inherently misogynistic, etc.  Demanding that everything be changed to suit one gender, often at the expense of the other, just isn't fair, and it's not equality.

    How many ads of these Asian games have been very questionable: the women have big doe-like eyes and therefore at some level look "innocent" in their body language, yet their body shape, their position in the ad, their clothing, etc. quite clearly is meant to make them look like objects of sexual desire ? This is a paradox and I don't really think this is very healthy at all. Sure, these women might actually be girls of high school age and we can say that a lot of the audience of these games are teenage boys, but we have to remember that they are not the only ones playing these games.

    We also have to remember that women are not the only one playing these games, which is a point those decrying sexism seem to miss.  The hypocrisy here is that women complain about the one-sidedness of design, and yet are advocating more one-sidedness, the only difference is that they demand to be in control it.

    In this game, the characters are quite clearly women, but the artists are going the route that comic strip artists have gone in with objectifying the sexual aspects of a woman's body to the point that they are hypersexualized.

    Men are not shown like this. Sure you might have brawny Terminator-types, and some might even wear loinclothes, but it is very rare and usually not in a sexual context. They are usually shown in a context of conquest, strength, aggression, and battle. And furthermore, these male images are considered by Western culture at least to be very positive, whereas the more subservient, hypersexualized portrayal of women is yes, desirable to at least some elements, but is also tinged with negativity.

    People see what they want to see, and have largely been conditioned to see "sexism" against women, and fail to see the same "sexism" against men, even in cases that are pretty much identical.  Whether you "see" it or not, many games sexualize men in the way models are designed as well.  The attributes that focus on strength and powerful appearance ARE the sexual idealization for men.

    This is not the same as where in AoC, MO and even AO to a point you have naked people in general or you have sexier clothes for male characters too, not just for female characters. I actually like that sort of freedom and I wish more devs would go that route than forcing hypersexualized females down our throats and men who are usually quite the opposite (borderline asexual, I mean in most games the male characters don't even have a package).

    Much of this is the style of the genre, which is done in part ot meet the expectations of those people looking to play within that genre.  Stereotypes are often used to do that.  Did you notice that most of the mobs that are murdered by the millions in videogames are male?  That's a stereotype as well - males are disposable, and are the norm for being murdered, no one gives it a second thought.

     

    My answers above in yellow.

    Other than that, the self-righteousness of this article is amusing.  Take a look at the advertising history of this web site.  Remember the Evony ads?  The AoC ads?  The recent RIFT ads?

    There's currently an ad on this site for Granado Espada, featuring a woman with very large breasts, that fades in along with the caption "Explore Adventures of EPIC proportions."

    Or the Sevencore ad featuring a very curvy women bent over, back arched, etc.

    Or the large-breasted woman in the Neverwinter ad.

    Sex sells.  Ads and games are designed to appeal to certain demographics.  If it doesn't appeal to someone, don't play it, or don't buy it.  It's arrogant to think that everything must be designed to appeal to "me", or it's evil.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • bbbb42bbbb42 none, FLPosts: 297Member Uncommon
    This game looks the same as tera, except without the pedophile little girl avatars. You guys did not say jack squat about tera's extremely over sexualized avatars, so why you dissing thise game?

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by Rohn

     

    My answers above in yellow.

    Other than that, the self-righteousness of this article is amusing.  Take a look at the advertising history of this web site.  Remember the Evony ads?  The AoC ads?  The recent RIFT ads?

    There's currently an ad on this site for Granado Espada, featuring a woman with very large breasts, that fades in along with the caption "Explore Adventures of EPIC proportions."

    Or the Sevencore ad featuring a very curvy women bent over, back arched, etc.

    Or the large-breasted woman in the Neverwinter ad.

    Sex sells.  Ads and games are designed to appeal to certain demographics.  If it doesn't appeal to someone, don't play it, or don't buy it.  It's arrogant to think that everything must be designed to appeal to "me", or it's evil.

    This is as close to a tabloid "news" site as you'll find in the gaming industry. Don't expect them to have standards or think hypocrocy is wrong. Hell they used to talk about supporting the health of the mmo indsutry while running gold selling and power lvling web ads.

    Ever notice how these "news" articals seem to show up after a few rather long and heated threads get going on their forums. Then all of those threads start getting locked directing everyone into these ones.  That's not keeping up with what's current in the industry, it's Jerry Springer day time TV.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by bbbb42
    This game looks the same as tera, except without the pedophile little girl avatars. You guys did not say jack squat about tera's extremely over sexualized avatars, so why you dissing thise game?

    actually that was one of the top most talked about subjects when the game was coming out...

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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,616Member Uncommon

    I do agree with you 100% Bill. But I do feel compelled to give them a point or 2 for honesty (bringing their total score up to negative 13.)

    What honesty you say? They are advertising and delivering what many other Eastern MMOs (I'm loking at you Tera) simply try to sneak in to the genre with a nudge and a wink... I dislike that even more than this blatant sexploitation.

  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member
    I still dont see what the problem with this game is. If you dont like it, dont play it. It just seems some people are trying to force their morals and beliefs upon others which in my eyes is oppression, plain and simple.
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,616Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by birdycephon
    I still dont see what the problem with this game is. If you dont like it, dont play it. It just seems some people are trying to force their morals and beliefs upon others which in my eyes is oppression, plain and simple.

    Maybe others are talking about morals. I'm not. This is just cheap money for sex disguised as an MMO. It cheapens the genre.

    A market for porn--cartoon or not--exists and forms a huge portion of internet traffic. I don't think Bill is concerned with putting an end to that like some oppressive religious zealots are. What I dislike about this game is the sale of cartoon nudity as an MMO poluting the MMO genre.

    I think your libertarian objections are simplistic and misguided.

  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member
    Originally posted by Iselin

    Originally posted by birdycephon
    I still dont see what the problem with this game is. If you dont like it, dont play it. It just seems some people are trying to force their morals and beliefs upon others which in my eyes is oppression, plain and simple.

    Maybe others are talking about morals. I'm not. This is just cheap money for sex disguised as an MMO. It cheapens the genre.

    A market for porn--cartoon or not--exists and forms a huge portion of internet traffic. I don't think Bill is concerned with putting an end to that like some oppressive religious zealots are. What I dislike about this game is the sale of cartoon nudity as an MMO poluting the MMO genre.

    I think your libertarian objections are simplistic and misguided.

    Of course sex sells, its in our DNA. To try to curb that is to go against our bery nature. What needs to be done is people need to be educated so they can make an informed decision about such things on their own. 

  • sacredfoolsacredfool prague, TXPosts: 760Member Uncommon

    Bill... this is an incredibly naughty thread. >.> Feeding trolls with virgins is not the way to go - well, unless you want to up the sites clickablity and I don't blame yah.  I bet you are entertained reading this thread, i know from experience baiting puts in a good mood!

     

    I agree the game is in an incredibly bad taste but I am also laughing a little bit about it. What would make me laugh the most - Scarlet Blade actually being a good game. 

    Originally posted by Redemp

     Wow , look at you folks getting so serious over a fun column. I agreed with Bill, without knowing the background it seemed like a blatant "sex sells" ; now that I know it stems from an anime I could care less. Different cultures and what not ...

    Good show Bill, enjoyed the column .. the rest of you lighten up.

     

    Hah.. sorry. Why exactly do you assume that in Asia young men are any different or smarter? The basic principle behind the anime this originates from is "sex sells".  Your point is quite moot i am afraid. 

     

     


    Originally posted by nethaniah

    Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.


  • sacredfoolsacredfool prague, TXPosts: 760Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Redemp

     Wow , look at you folks getting so serious over a fun column. I agreed with Bill, without knowing the background it seemed like a blatant "sex sells" ; now that I know it stems from an anime I could care less. Different cultures and what not ...

    Good show Bill, enjoyed the column .. the rest of you lighten up.

     

    Hah.. sorry. Why exactly do you assume that in Asia young men are any different or smarter? The basic principle behind the anime this originates from is "sex sells".  Your point is quite moot i am afraid. 


    Originally posted by nethaniah

    Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.


  • Yavin_PrimeYavin_Prime Oak Park, CAPosts: 233Member
    Originally posted by tordurbar

    Once again I am amazed. Games that literally throw blood at the screen and no complaints. But babes in very skimpy bikinis - hang the developers! Very American. 

     

    You know I have to agree with that point. If you're going to be ok with massive ammounts of gore and death then the polar opposite shouldn't be an issue. However I will add that I think it'd be only fair to have some nearly naked male characters in the game for lady gamers to play. 

    Then again I guess more people are ok with murder, slaughter, and genocide then they are with sexuality, but hey that makes for a healthy society dosn't it?

  • OneiraOneira Brooklyn, NYPosts: 3Member
    Bah whatever.  I'm female and this game is hilarious.  This game can't do anything to me that I haven't already done on IMVU.
  • TuchakaTuchaka san diego, CAPosts: 468Member
    considering how much sex sells we have in gaming in general for this game to have gotten so much negative attention for doing basically the same thing most games do but WAY WAY  more seems a tad silly, but hey keep it up no publicity is bad publicity. The real question is .....is the game any good well i am gonna guess no.
  • RedempRedemp Hot Springs, ARPosts: 1,042Member
    Originally posted by sacredfool
    Originally posted by Redemp

     Wow , look at you folks getting so serious over a fun column. I agreed with Bill, without knowing the background it seemed like a blatant "sex sells" ; now that I know it stems from an anime I could care less. Different cultures and what not ...

    Good show Bill, enjoyed the column .. the rest of you lighten up.

     

    Hah.. sorry. Why exactly do you assume that in Asia young men are any different or smarter? The basic principle behind the anime this originates from is "sex sells".  Your point is quite moot i am afraid. 

     Actually my point's not moot, people are over reacting to an art style on a game that's based on another cultures ideals of what's acceptable( re: Not Taboo ). Did the owners of this particular rehash bank on "Sex sells" well that's pretty obvious but they certainly didn't have to go out of their way now did they.

    All that's besides the point, which was ... people are taking this way to seriously; apparently including you.

     

    Thank you come again?

  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Saratoga springs, NYPosts: 39Member Uncommon

    Thank you Bill Murphy and MMORPG.com for giving this game the puplicity and attention it deserves.

     

    *Takes his giant cupcake with him and goes back to testing the closed beta*

  • GhavriggGhavrigg Halifax, NSPosts: 777Member Uncommon

    This game seems like such a joke. I can't understand how ANYONE would ever want to play or throw money at this game in any way.

    But whatever, to each their own. I supposed it's aimed at the type of people who would, say, roll an Elin in Tera.

    I definitely agree with it being a step backwards for the genre, however.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,752Member Uncommon
    I log in this morning and there are like a half dozen ads for this game with scantilly clad animes that look about 12 years old......I just don't get the obsession some people have with anime.....When I see advertising liek that I know the game sucks without even playing it.....If they have to use sex to sell then it is bad.
  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon

    " I don't mind guys who hide behind me as I cleave enemies in two. Gender stereotypes are bull****."

    It must be hard to have gender streotypes in a world where you only have one gender. :D

  • ChunkheadChunkhead Boise, IDPosts: 1Member

    I played the closed beta this weekend.  The T&A was great at first, but I got so into the story that I almost forgot I was playing a female character.  I wanted to get to the next quest so I could read more of the story.

    This is the first MMO since Tabula Rasa that made me want to read the quests.  

    Can't wait for OB and realease.  This is gonna be my MMO for a good while.

    The downside is that the mechanics still need work - I was a little confused as to the GCD since it seemed as though my skills would not go off when I hit them, even though they weren't on cooldown.  The mobs just seem to be placed in spots waiting to be killed by players.  It was a litle disappointing.  But, as this was CB, they have time to fix things.

    I think all you haters out there are gonna be dissapointed that this "joke" of an F2P MMO is going to make a pretty big splash.  Sure, the social aspects may suffer a bit in this game due to its very nature, but I think it will do fine.  Wait for the real reviews.  The reviewers will be shocked and amazed at how great the story is, and will most likely say the same thing I just did - "I actually read the quests!"

     

  • EluwienEluwien EspooPosts: 166Member
    Originally posted by VikingGamer

    It is not what you think. They are simply thinking ahead on animation costs and the inevitible clipping issuse that seem to plague so many titles.

    You cant have clothing clipping issuse when you have virtually no clothing, amarite?!

    If I could press "like", I would have pressed it here.

     

    Also, the only unethicality in this game is the lack of men. And thats actually insult towards men, more than women.

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  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member

    This is a sad day for all radical feminists...

     

    ...and a happy day for gaming clichées and guys who like boobs :D

     

     

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  • VancePantsVancePants Los Angeles, CAPosts: 43Member

    So it's a step back for gaming and women's rights, while pushing the boundries of sex in gaming. I feel like that's a good thing. Show us where the line is, Scarlet Blade - if your game fails, it's an example for the rest of the world. 

     

    However - it's clearly causing quite a commotion among the community, it's got a pretty intense marketing campaign going on, and ya know what else? It's not taking itself too seriously!

     

    Asian MMO imports are notorious for garbage storylines and generic content - this game embraces that and takes a new angle. Yes, we all know it's shameless. I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being a completely unbalanced pay2win cash shop in it, too - but at the end of the day, the company is trying to make money. And judging by this game's bulging popularity, I think they'll do just that. 

     

    At least for a little while, so long as they continue to update the game with bigger, bustier characters and NPCs.

     

    Also, well written. I was amused. 

    :D

  • treelotreelo caralPosts: 70Member

    It isn't that great, neither are the models.  I thought the idea of starting naked and forcing you to play the game to cover yourself up was quite amusing though.  It certainly wasn't the "riveting" plot that saw me endure twenty minutes of gameplay to earn a pair of shoes.  I was actually curious if they had deliberately structured the first quest rewards to keep as much digital flesh on display as possible for as long as possible.

    I was not surprised to find that they had.  I'm sure it'll meet the same fate as most Aeria games.

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  • keiichimorisato98keiichimorisato98 winter springs, FLPosts: 1Member
    this game is pretty decent if you can look over the sexualisation of it. it's actually pretty fun, also this game was totally made for those who know what it really is and that is queens blade online (queens blade is a VN/anime series) the story is pretty good if you pay attention to it, the PVP is quite fun and frantic, but very laggy as of right now. and to be honest i never play as male characters in MMORPG's anyway, not because i am perverted or anthing but because i am tired of always playing as steroid using macho men.  anyways give it a try you might be surprised that you enjoy it.
  • RemianenRemianen Brooklyn, NYPosts: 37Member

    Bill, I'm curious about something. Where is this outrage coming from? You don't honestly think this is the first game to make its female models cheesecake. The difference is, they're not trying to hide it or gloss over it. Where is your outrage over the idle animation of the Night Elf female in WoW (as one example)?

    As others have said, the game has a lot going for it. The whole 'naked female model' thing is just a ploy to get people to try it, being Asian MMO port #9175841474. The story is good and, being an M 17 title, the NPCs speak like real people in stressful situations would (i.e. salty language) which is a huge small detail for me. Last time I remember an M rated MMO title, it was solely for blood and gore (AoC) and the language used, even in the most life threatening of situations, was the Queen's English (which isn't realistic AT ALL).

    In the words of one Eric Bischoff, controversy creates cash. Go ask Elvis Presley, NWA, 2Pac,  Body Count, Trent Reznor/Nine Inch Nails, RockStar Games, Eminem, Eli Roth (Hostel), and so on and so on and so on. Ask the producers of Married....With Children how much they love Terry Rakolta. Judging by the number of outraged gaming journalists, Aeria's marketing department hit a home run here.

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