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Bad taste from Warhammer Online and now CU?

Thornz2000Thornz2000 faraway, AKPosts: 135Member

I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

Many promises he made was broken.

So is CU going to be different?

Thoughts?

 

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  • BowbowDAoCBowbowDAoC Granby, QCPosts: 470Member

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

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    Thurka on WAR

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,918Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    MJ is a joke of a dev who refused to listen to the playerbase. I think everyone who played Warhammer Online and or listened to his podcasts can agree to his notorious quote - "It's working as intended."

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  • BowbowDAoCBowbowDAoC Granby, QCPosts: 470Member
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    MJ is a joke of a dev who refused to listen to the playerbase. I think everyone who played Warhammer Online and or listened to his podcasts can agree to his notorious quote - "It's working as intended."

    working as intented can mean so much :) like who's intentions ? but anyways, we could argue for hours, guess we'll have to wait and see :)

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  • Thornz2000Thornz2000 faraway, AKPosts: 135Member

    I did not hear to clear when he left and why.

    I loved WHO, but it came down hard. Liked the game but seems it was sentenced to a slow painful death.

    WHO was the 1st CE game I ever bought and my last I think.

    I loved DAoC tons so when I saw CU and his name I got mixed emotions.

    Hope it does turn out well.  WOuld be very nice to be playing a great sequal to DAoC.

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  • TuktzTuktz Atlanta, GAPosts: 299Member
    Originally posted by Thornz2000

    I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

    Many promises he made was broken.

    So is CU going to be different?

    Thoughts?

     

    That's your point of view, but I played both and don't feel that way at all. I've been in beaurocratic environments

    before and know how frustrating they can be. I'm not excusing him from any blame, but I wouldn't try to hold him solely responsible either. A lot of elements came together with the war situation. There can be all sorts of voices in a room of ideas. The one that improves business numbers will win out every time. Tis especially occurs when companies are worried about quarterly numbers/reports so go for short term benefit and ignore long term harm.

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  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Gamers are so unforgiving.  Name one developer that didn't make an "average" game.  I liked WAR a lot, the PvP was great, it had great potential but it failed because it released too early and was rushed.
  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILPosts: 1,777Member
    Originally posted by Thornz2000

    I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

    Many promises he made was broken.

    So is CU going to be different?

    Thoughts?

     

     Dont expect to get anything here other than watered down excuses. For example, no doubt everyone will say War was the fault of a big evil corporate entity and nothing was Jacobs fault...even though the man himself says most of it was his fault and even talks at length about the mistakes with DaoC.

    So even he himself says he was at fault.

    So, look at CU itself, see that the game is being based on the same ideas as DaoC, a 12 year old game showing even more that he hasnt evoled as a game maker and really loves old outdated forms of gameplay.

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  • tokeshtokesh Vancouver, BCPosts: 35Member

    Unforgiving? Right.

    The next SimCity will probably outsell the current one. 

  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

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  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    Weve been over this extensively with the final answer being, yes.

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thornz2000

    bad taste from Warhammer Online

     Bad taste??

    You do know that there is nothing really wrong with WAR except for the instanced battleground implementation (which it don't need), the imbalance of 2 factions war and the fact that it was prematurely released (because of pressure frm EA) rite?

    And the fact that it came out at the wrong time - came out during the pinnacle days of WoW, just like AoC, and got beaten to the bloodly pulp by WoW.

    WAR was NOT a bad game. Just not a good enough game.

  • Vunak23Vunak23 In your house eatin'' your cookies, FLPosts: 635Member
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    You ever heard of being micromanaged? Yea EA is notorious for that. Just look at EA's past and you won't be so up in arms about it being all MJ's fault. 

    "In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  • SkuzSkuz WorcesterPosts: 1,034Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    ^ This, Mark Jacobs pretty much got his hands tied by GW & EA and their pursuit of WoW's crown, and anyone can see that if they look at how stuff went down. His reluctance to drag people through the mud (who certainly deserved it) shows a character that is rare in the corporate world & rarer still in game development, integrity intact.

    I look forward to see what he can doi in CU without those shackles, and I think CU will be a better title to judge him as failure or not.

  • Corinthian-XCorinthian-X Horn Lake, MSPosts: 86Member

    If you don't believe in the project or developer don't pledge. You're not going to hurt anyone's feelings.

     

    For those who keep posting just to bash Mark Jacobs, maybe you need a new hobby? Not sure how the man's video game ruined your life. WAR didn't live up to what it should have been, but since the early years what MMO has? Still crying about it on the internet five years later is a bit obsessive.

  • OutisOutis Birchwood, TNPosts: 105Member
    Originally posted by Skuz
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    ^ This, Mark Jacobs pretty much got his hands tied by GW & EA and their pursuit of WoW's crown, and anyone can see that if they look at how stuff went down. His reluctance to drag people through the mud (who certainly deserved it) shows a character that is rare in the corporate world & rarer still in game development, integrity intact.

    I look forward to see what he can doi in CU without those shackles, and I think CU will be a better title to judge him as failure or not.

    +1

     

    Well said Skuz

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  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

    LOL

  • Thornz2000Thornz2000 faraway, AKPosts: 135Member
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
    Originally posted by Thornz2000

    bad taste from Warhammer Online

     Bad taste??

    You do know that there is nothing really wrong with WAR except for the instanced battleground implementation (which it don't need), the imbalance of 2 factions war and the fact that it was prematurely released (because of pressure frm EA) rite?

    And the fact that it came out at the wrong time - came out during the pinnacle days of WoW, just like AoC, and got beaten to the bloodly pulp by WoW.

    WAR was NOT a bad game. Just not a good enough game.

    U missed my next post. I did like WHO alot.

    I thought it was fun.... was sad to see it die.

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  • TuktzTuktz Atlanta, GAPosts: 299Member

    Even tho war didn't completely work out, I enjoyed it a lot for 2 or 3 years. What killed it for me was 2 faction instead of 3, and the endless gear grind...

     

    i still enjoy it more than world of warcrapt

     

    It's target player base is like 10 to 18 year olds now.

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  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by Vunak23
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    You ever heard of being micromanaged? Yea EA is notorious for that. Just look at EA's past and you won't be so up in arms about it being all MJ's fault. 

    So you know this because you are an employee of EA?

    No decent leader ever allows himself to be micromanaged. You've obviously never worked in a large corporation. When your budget and resources are on the line, you'll fight for it. You'll never get any respect from your keepers if you don't.

    Which is probably MJ's problem. No respect. No credibility.

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  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by tokesh

    Unforgiving? Right.

    The next SimCity will probably outsell the current one. 

    That is a good point actually.  I should say the 1% minority that always screams and yells on forums are so unforgiving.  I guess the opinions don't matter after all?

  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by Vunak23
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    You ever heard of being micromanaged? Yea EA is notorious for that. Just look at EA's past and you won't be so up in arms about it being all MJ's fault. 

    So you know this because you are an employee of EA?

    No decent leader ever allows himself to be micromanaged. You've obviously never worked in a large corporation. When your budget and resources are on the line, you'll fight for it. You'll never get any respect from your keepers if you don't.

    Which is probably MJ's problem. No respect. No credibility.

    What utter "utopian" nonsense.  I don't know what reality you live in, but it isn't this one.

  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

    LOL

    Four years at IBM, 17 years at Microsoft, 2 at EMC, and currently at Amazon.

    I'd be happy to PM you a copy of my resume or a url to my LinkedIn profile.

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  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

    LOL

    Four years at IBM, 17 years at Microsoft, 2 at EMC, and currently at Amazon.

    I'd be happy to PM you a copy of my resume or a url to my LinkedIn profile.

    Please do.

    I would like to see any "accomplishment".  More likely to be a "yes man"?

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

    LOL

    Four years at IBM, 17 years at Microsoft, 2 at EMC, and currently at Amazon.

    I'd be happy to PM you a copy of my resume or a url to my LinkedIn profile.

     Sorry how is what your resume is, diverse as it might be, relevant to what MJ's role and influence is in EA?

    I fail to see the connection here, and it is quite a irrelevant response to a slightly sacastic comment from the previous poster, which was more directing on what we know about what internally happened between MJ and EA (which is pretty much nothing, REGARDLESS of how beautiful your resume might be).

  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

    behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

    He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

    So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

    Give me a break.

    MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

    Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

    LOL

    Four years at IBM, 17 years at Microsoft, 2 at EMC, and currently at Amazon.

    I'd be happy to PM you a copy of my resume or a url to my LinkedIn profile.

    Please do.

    I would like to see any "accomplishment".  More likely to be a "yes man"?

    On it's way.

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