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So its B2P except on Xbox....

Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon

I honestly LOLed when I heard you will need XBox live gold to play it online. I hope Microsoft is paying for their servers then or Trion is just getting bent over a barrel by Microsoft. I really didn't think they would require that, but I guess since theres no sub Trion couldn't avoid it like FFXI.

What a joke that gold account is.

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  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon

    Get a pc ;)

    It has its perks

  • jbs4lifejbs4life Upland, CAPosts: 12Member

    Gold used to be justifiable because Miscrosoft really did have the best online network available, but Sony has really stepped their shit up.  Not only do you not have to pay, but if you did decided you want to - you get a hell of lot more stuff.. like FREE games.

    Really thinking about switching back to Sony this upcoming generation, unless Microsoft has some amazing product.

  • GishgeronGishgeron Princeton, KYPosts: 1,287Member

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by jbs4life

    Gold used to be justifiable because Miscrosoft really did have the best online network available, but Sony has really stepped their shit up.  Not only do you not have to pay, but if you did decided you want to - you get a hell of lot more stuff.. like FREE games.

    Really thinking about switching back to Sony this upcoming generation, unless Microsoft has some amazing product.

    Unless you're a big Halo fan, there's not a huge reason to stick to xBox right now (or in the future).  Sony gets pretty much everything Microsoft does, pluse they seem to have slightly better exclusive titles, especially from Naughty Dog.  I'm really excited about The Last of Us.

    You make me like charity

  • GishgeronGishgeron Princeton, KYPosts: 1,287Member
    Originally posted by jbs4life

    Gold used to be justifiable because Miscrosoft really did have the best online network available, but Sony has really stepped their shit up.  Not only do you not have to pay, but if you did decided you want to - you get a hell of lot more stuff.. like FREE games.

    Really thinking about switching back to Sony this upcoming generation, unless Microsoft has some amazing product.

     

      While I can agree with aspects of this sentiment, the main reason XBL wins this battle is due to much larger 3rd party support.  Simply put, more studios, both AAA and indie alike, are developing for that platform.  Part of that was its initial success and early player strength.  Part of that was Sony's blunders along the way and its large service failure a year or so back.  Part of it is funding helping to support it, some of which comes from the fee players pay for the service.  I mean, can people even buy the DLC for Skyrim on that system yet?  Maybe if Sony greased a few palms and helped pay for some of the porting (a choice that would probably help them gain some footing back) maybe it would have been sped up.  I would imagine that such a thing would be easier if they had the financial support of a paid service over a free one.

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  • BallistaBallista Roseville, CAPosts: 117Member
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    I honestly LOLed when I heard you will need XBox live gold to play it online. I hope Microsoft is paying for their servers then or Trion is just getting bent over a barrel by Microsoft. I really didn't think they would require that, but I guess since theres no sub Trion couldn't avoid it like FFXI.

    What a joke that gold account is.

    I'm pretty sure most people who own XBox's pay for gold, so it's not really a relavant/material cost. For the very tiny fraction of XBox users who don't pay for gold and want to buy and play Defiance on XBox, then it's a material cost and that population is likely so tiny no one cares.

  • GishgeronGishgeron Princeton, KYPosts: 1,287Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Unless you're a big Halo fan, there's not a huge reason to stick to xBox right now (or in the future).  Sony gets pretty much everything Microsoft does, pluse they seem to have slightly better exclusive titles, especially from Naughty Dog.  I'm really excited about The Last of Us.

     

      I can agree that, in terms of major releases, Sony has come a long way in earning back solid exclusives and trying to carve a place back for itself. 

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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon

    I actually don't own an Xbox anymore. I used to, but once I got my PS3 I stopped using my Xbox. I will be playing Defiance on PC myself because the controls will be better (for me) and the graphics.

    I'll admit PS3 has its flaws, but PSN has been absolutely amazing. I have no problem playing online games, and funny enough sony does get my $50 a year but I get tons of free games for both my PS3 and Vita from it. I honestly don't know how they can do it on such a low price.

    I've been kind of disgusted with Xbox Live ever since I tried to use Netflix on it and had to pay for gold to do it. I already pay for my own internet, I paid for the console, I pay for my Netflix access. Why should Microsoft get more money just to let me use all the stuff I already paid for? How does that make any sense? To top it off the actual Netflix app was incredibley inferior compared to the PS3 version. Though now my Apple TV one is better than both :-p

    Final Fantasy XI doesn't require gold on Xbox, now I wonder if Microsoft gets a cut of the FFXI subscriptions.

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  • EtherignisEtherignis philadelphia, PAPosts: 246Member
    PC is the way too go
  • KinchyleKinchyle Hugo, ORPosts: 309Member
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

    PC games are also cheaper and most have a longer life of playing IMO. We buy less of them a year than the consoles. A TON of people who play mostly consoles have at least two systems. On each system, they own 10 to 20 games at around $60 a pop. Even if they get them cheaper, so do PC users...a LOT cheaper.

    PCs last a minimum (realistically) of 5 years (for me at least...I aint rich) before any considerable upgrade. IPCs also perform better and can be built to do so at around $500 not including the monitor. Oh yeah...how much does the TV you run your cosoles on cost? I bet more than my rig. Even if only half that, still more than my monitor.

    Oh..and I can play mine while watching TV. You can too if you have a second set. But that's not part of this calculation you made up. All said and done, your console, if you go by the standard that you have to be up to today's standards, you actually paid $300 (per machine), plus in the $50 range per game, add in at least $500 for a medium sized flat screen, another $300-$500 for the second TV so you or anyone else can actually watch TV while you are on your console, and I'd say you paid more than the rest of us PC gamers.

    :P

    It's really a kinda of silly argument though right? I don't think either choice is much cheaper. Depends on the person. Most own both too...

  • SlickShoesSlickShoes EdinburghPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kinchyle
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

    PC games are also cheaper and most have a longer life of playing IMO. We buy less of them a year than the consoles. A TON of people who play mostly consoles have at least two systems. On each system, they own 10 to 20 games at around $60 a pop. Even if they get them cheaper, so do PC users...a LOT cheaper.

    PCs last a minimum (realistically) of 5 years (for me at least...I aint rich) before any considerable upgrade. IPCs also perform better and can be built to do so at around $500 not including the monitor. Oh yeah...how much does the TV you run your cosoles on cost? I bet more than my rig. Even if only half that, still more than my monitor.

    Oh..and I can play mine while watching TV. You can too if you have a second set. But that's not part of this calculation you made up. All said and done, your console, if you go by the standard that you have to be up to today's standards, you actually paid $300 (per machine), plus in the $50 range per game, add in at least $500 for a medium sized flat screen, another $300-$500 for the second TV so you or anyone else can actually watch TV while you are on your console, and I'd say you paid more than the rest of us PC gamers.

    :P

    It's really a kinda of silly argument though right? I don't think either choice is much cheaper. Depends on the person. Most own both too...

    I have my consoles and my PC connected to my TV. I have no issues sharing my TV with my wife and letting her watch TV when something is on. The assumption that people NEED a second TV in any scenario is a bit weird.

    "i can play mine while watching TV" seems a bit of a crap argument, if I am gaming I don't want to be watching TV, if I am watching TV I don't want to be gaming. If someone is playing on a console they could also be watching TV or doing a myriad of other things on any other device they own.

    I just paid £700 to build my PC and there is no way it will still be running as good as it is now in 5 years time without some serious upgrades. i5 3570k, 8GB ram, AMD 7950 3GB, 120GB SSD, 500GB HDD.

    Building a good PC is more expensive than buying a console + TV but most people have a TV already so to factor a TV in to the cost of a console is a bit odd. For that extra money you can do a lot more with that device though and it will play any game better than the consoles in most situations.

    The advantage the console has is that other than buying the games you don't need to engage your brain at all, it just works, no installing drivers, changing hardware, it just sits there and plays games until it either dies or you put it in the bin.

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  • GishgeronGishgeron Princeton, KYPosts: 1,287Member
    Originally posted by SlickShoes.

    I have my consoles and my PC connected to my TV. I have no issues sharing my TV with my wife and letting her watch TV when something is on. The assumption that people NEED a second TV in any scenario is a bit weird.

    "i can play mine while watching TV" seems a bit of a crap argument, if I am gaming I don't want to be watching TV, if I am watching TV I don't want to be gaming. If someone is playing on a console they could also be watching TV or doing a myriad of other things on any other device they own.

    I just paid £700 to build my PC and there is no way it will still be running as good as it is now in 5 years time without some serious upgrades. i5 3570k, 8GB ram, AMD 7950 3GB, 120GB SSD, 500GB HDD.

    Building a good PC is more expensive than buying a console + TV but most people have a TV already so to factor a TV in to the cost of a console is a bit odd. For that extra money you can do a lot more with that device though and it will play any game better than the consoles in most situations.

    The advantage the console has is that other than buying the games you don't need to engage your brain at all, it just works, no installing drivers, changing hardware, it just sits there and plays games until it either dies or you put it in the bin.

      Thank you, I've been through all possible gaming devices and PC gaming is just the most expensive by far.  IF we can ever figure out how to increase our wireless potential (we're getting close to capping its use and killing pushing data use technology further) then Tablet/Mobile gaming is going to absolutely destroy both console AND PC markets.  A company can purchase obscenely powerful hardware that runs any game you want to stream and converts the end result to video so the tablet or phone can process the visuals for any game you want.  One day we'll just buy a tablet, pay a monthly fee, and play whatever we want without having to so much as download a game or purchase a disc ever again.  The hardware will be pretty cost effective and, due to the video rendering done by the service providers powerhouse machines, wont need upgrades to play new games.

     

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    I pay ~4$ a month and have never, ever had any service outage effect me.

    XBL has been a more reliable gaming service than... everything but LAN haha

     

  • HeafstaggHeafstagg Edmonton, ABPosts: 170Member Uncommon
    It's still B2P on the xbox, saying it's not is misinforming people. It's common knowledge if you have an xbox and you want to play online, you need xbox live. I don't like it either but that's just the way it is. If you want to blame someone, blame microsoft, not trion. They have nothing to do with it and if you get "fooled" by it it's your own problem. As I said, if you have an xbox you KNOW that you need xbox live to play online.

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  • fayknaymfayknaym Washington, DCPosts: 125Member
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

    I disagree about the cost. A well built gaming pc will last you for 5 years and practically the only thing you would need to upgrade, if you chose to do so, is your graphics card. I guess that would cost about the same as 5 years of xbox live. And there's really no need to go over 800 dollar range for your PC unless you want top end, which is unecessary for most people. Now let's look at it this way. You buy an xbox for $300. Ok that's fine, but you still need a computer don't you? For school, work, etc. Unless you're buying a bottom of the barrell PC for $200 - $300, you'll more likely need to spend $400 - $500. So instead of getting an xbox and a low end PC, why not just build a higher end PC for the price of both? So I don't think that it's fare to say PC gaming is much more expensive. Now most people probably already have some kind of PC so a console really is the cheaper alternative. But, I also think most people would buy a console for the particular games and features available to it such as xbox live rather than just because its cheaper. I don't think it be would too difficult for someone to save money for a few months to buy a PC rather than a console.

    Regarding the OP, it is kind of silly that you would expect Defiance to be completely free to play on xbox live. That's just how it has always been on xbox. No matter what game you want to play, you have to pay the xbox live fee to play it online. 

  • SlickShoesSlickShoes EdinburghPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fayknaym
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

    I disagree about the cost. A well built gaming pc will last you for 5 years and practically the only thing you would need to upgrade, if you chose to do so, is your graphics card. I guess that would cost about the same as 5 years of xbox live. And there's really no need to go over 800 dollar range for your PC unless you want top end, which is unecessary for most people. Now let's look at it this way. You buy an xbox for $300. Ok that's fine, but you still need a computer don't you? For school, work, etc. Unless you're buying a bottom of the barrell PC for $200 - $300, you'll more likely need to spend $400 - $500. So instead of getting an xbox and a low end PC, why not just build a higher end PC for the price of both? So I don't think that it's fare to say PC gaming is much more expensive. Now most people probably already have some kind of PC so a console really is the cheaper alternative. But, I also think most people would buy a console for the particular games and features available to it such as xbox live rather than just because its cheaper. I don't think it be would too difficult for someone to save money for a few months to buy a PC rather than a console.

    Regarding the OP, it is kind of silly that you would expect Defiance to be completely free to play on xbox live. That's just how it has always been on xbox. No matter what game you want to play, you have to pay the xbox live fee to play it online. 

    Can you tell me the specs of this $800 PC that will easily last 5 years?

    The biggest negative about a PC is it getting bogged down with other stuff because you will use it for other stuff not just gaming.

    If you are doing no gaming at all on your PC you can very easily get something that is not horrible for around 300-400.

    Building a good quality PC is more expensive, there is more you need to do to keep it in good condition too, lots of people do not want to invest that much in an entertainment device, they want to get home and turn it on and play. Consoles are for those people. A gaming PC is for enthusiasts.

    The average joe doesn't even know what makes a PC good or not, these are the people buying computers at PC world and Walmart.

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  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    I honestly LOLed when I heard you will need XBox live gold to play it online. I hope Microsoft is paying for their servers then or Trion is just getting bent over a barrel by Microsoft. I really didn't think they would require that, but I guess since theres no sub Trion couldn't avoid it like FFXI.

    What a joke that gold account is.

    LOL where have you been? When I did play xbox I was able to get a year for 30$.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bestever
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    I honestly LOLed when I heard you will need XBox live gold to play it online. I hope Microsoft is paying for their servers then or Trion is just getting bent over a barrel by Microsoft. I really didn't think they would require that, but I guess since theres no sub Trion couldn't avoid it like FFXI.

    What a joke that gold account is.

    LOL where have you been? When I did play xbox I was able to get a year for 30$.

    I think they raised the price

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    I honestly LOLed when I heard you will need XBox live gold to play it online. I hope Microsoft is paying for their servers then or Trion is just getting bent over a barrel by Microsoft. I really didn't think they would require that, but I guess since theres no sub Trion couldn't avoid it like FFXI.

    What a joke that gold account is.

    Defiance is B2P either way. You're paying a subscription fee for the game, you're paying for the subscription for the Xbox Live Pass. There's a big difference between the two. However, one of the main reason people choose PS3 over Xbox 360 is because of the fact that you don't have to pay.

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    Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,551Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SlickShoes
    Originally posted by fayknaym
    Originally posted by Gishgeron

      Ugh, this again?  Why not just start a thread about how you hate Live Gold and skip masking the troll under something else?  If you have an xbox, and want to play online, you have to have a gold sub.  Even for the, otherwise, totally free Happy Wars.  In what fantasy land would this game suddenly fall under a different set of circumstances?

      With that said, lets address how silly this REALLY is.  50$ a year.  $4.16 a month.  A cost which has, without question, gone to create the most successful of all the online and indie marketplaces for the consoles currently out.  A person COULD say that the PC is so much better because it is free, but its also a fat stack more expensive for the hardware.  Assume you get a full force 250 gig 360, thats about $300.  That much money won't even buy you the skeleton of a gaming PC.  You're going to approach, if not completely surpass, $1000 just to get a solid gaming rig and then you're going to have to maintain it. 

      Using the figures, loose as they are, that I just gave you it would take 14 years of a gold sub before what you paid for your xbox even catches up to what you spent on your PC.  14 YEARS for gods sake.  All the while you can be reasonably sure every game you ever buy will work on it.  PC gaming comes with massive headaches.  You can have a beast rig only to discover that your particular video card, for all of its awesome, has a conflict with the game you wanna play and ruins the experience.  Because the hardware used in consoles is set in stone, developers working with them can optimize MUCH better for more reliable and stable game experience.

      People who trash on MS for its live cost are either terrible at math or live in a dreamworld where PC gaming isn't a money sink of massive proportions.  Or the equally magical dreamworld where the other online services offered by current gen systems (I name current specifically because next gen is a great chance for new movement forward to happen and really redefine things for us) can even compare.  They can't.  I've used all current gen consoles.  None of them compare to XBL.  Especially not the Wii, ick....

    I disagree about the cost. A well built gaming pc will last you for 5 years and practically the only thing you would need to upgrade, if you chose to do so, is your graphics card. I guess that would cost about the same as 5 years of xbox live. And there's really no need to go over 800 dollar range for your PC unless you want top end, which is unecessary for most people. Now let's look at it this way. You buy an xbox for $300. Ok that's fine, but you still need a computer don't you? For school, work, etc. Unless you're buying a bottom of the barrell PC for $200 - $300, you'll more likely need to spend $400 - $500. So instead of getting an xbox and a low end PC, why not just build a higher end PC for the price of both? So I don't think that it's fare to say PC gaming is much more expensive. Now most people probably already have some kind of PC so a console really is the cheaper alternative. But, I also think most people would buy a console for the particular games and features available to it such as xbox live rather than just because its cheaper. I don't think it be would too difficult for someone to save money for a few months to buy a PC rather than a console.

    Regarding the OP, it is kind of silly that you would expect Defiance to be completely free to play on xbox live. That's just how it has always been on xbox. No matter what game you want to play, you have to pay the xbox live fee to play it online. 

    Can you tell me the specs of this $800 PC that will easily last 5 years?

    The biggest negative about a PC is it getting bogged down with other stuff because you will use it for other stuff not just gaming.

    If you are doing no gaming at all on your PC you can very easily get something that is not horrible for around 300-400.

    Building a good quality PC is more expensive, there is more you need to do to keep it in good condition too, lots of people do not want to invest that much in an entertainment device, they want to get home and turn it on and play. Consoles are for those people. A gaming PC is for enthusiasts.

    The average joe doesn't even know what makes a PC good or not, these are the people buying computers at PC world and Walmart.

    I got a PC with NVIDIA 660 i5 core windows 8 500 watt psu for $850, that should last a long time especially when the hardware is already better than the next gen of consoles coming out.

  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    I think they raised the price

    Not if you're at all patient. I don't think I've ever paid more than $35/year and I just renewed a month or two ago.

    Between New Egg, Amazon, Best Buy, et al you rarely have to wait more than a month or so to pick up a year on sale somewhere in the $30 neighborhood. Well worth it to me, and I own both a PS3 (which, sadly, I regret spending the money on, such is life) and a 360.

    As for the OP... Honestly, that's some low rent trolling, that is.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,551Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gishgeron
    Originally posted by jbs4life

    Gold used to be justifiable because Miscrosoft really did have the best online network available, but Sony has really stepped their shit up.  Not only do you not have to pay, but if you did decided you want to - you get a hell of lot more stuff.. like FREE games.

    Really thinking about switching back to Sony this upcoming generation, unless Microsoft has some amazing product.

     

      While I can agree with aspects of this sentiment, the main reason XBL wins this battle is due to much larger 3rd party support.  Simply put, more studios, both AAA and indie alike, are developing for that platform.  Part of that was its initial success and early player strength.  Part of that was Sony's blunders along the way and its large service failure a year or so back.  Part of it is funding helping to support it, some of which comes from the fee players pay for the service.  I mean, can people even buy the DLC for Skyrim on that system yet?  Maybe if Sony greased a few palms and helped pay for some of the porting (a choice that would probably help them gain some footing back) maybe it would have been sped up.  I would imagine that such a thing would be easier if they had the financial support of a paid service over a free one.

    Other than Halo and gears of war i dont realy see any other reason to buy and xbox and I dont realy care for halo much just an average shooter to me, and gears of war are all very short games.  My online gaming on PS3 has been just fine and with PSN I get a lot of free games too such as street fighter 4 arcade edition.  Also there are better exclusives on PS3 imo.  Besides other than that PC saves me more money simply cuz i can pirate pretty much every game I want.

  • General_Dru-ZodGeneral_Dru-Zod Unknown, CAPosts: 136Member

    Just to clear somethings up....

    Xbox year pass is 59.99 however they have specials for 30.00 bucks

    Yes, Sony did improve thier online capabilities and you can browse the internet, however it doesnt hold a candle to Xbox live matchmaking and playing with friends is much more convenient.

    Everybody that has an Xbox that plays online has a Gold account

    Xbox still has more game titles than Sony

    Sony has better single player games and of course Sony still leads in graphics

    If your wondering I have both ..

    thank you that is all

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  • lovebuglovebug burnleyPosts: 256Member

    lol xbox live the holy gail of on line gameing was playing online games long before xbox live came and will be long after its gone :)).

    what are all theses great xbox online games to play gears of war/ halo am i missing anything out here ?.

    i have a box never use it all my other  things dont need to pay to watch lovefilm ;)  or online games.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lovebug

    lol xbox live the holy gail of on line gameing was playing online games long before xbox live came and will be long after its gone :)).

    what are all theses great xbox online games to play gears of war/ halo am i missing anything out here ?.

    i have a box never use it all my other  things dont need to pay to watch lovefilm ;)  or online games.

    What? could you please rephrase your comment?

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    Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
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