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Collision Detection in Camelot Unchained: Yes or No?

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  • Dane_WildingDane_Wilding Chico, CAPosts: 16Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    No game compares to daoc pvp
    Keep the core concepts the same
    Ie no cd

    Lets move on

    DAoC not having CD was not a "core concept" but practically impossible because of the limitations of the technolodgy.

    Mark said he doesn't want to make DAoC2, and why would he? You can go back and play DAoC if you think it's so amazing. Don't oppose to anything new just because DAoC was your favorite game. 

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I disagree anyway there are 3 mmos I've played with great pvp - daoc, planetside & eve, all 3 have their strengths depending on what sort of mood youre in. (never played lineage2 and shadowbane)
  • ArnfiarnunnArnfiarnunn eragnyPosts: 61Member Common
    IMO it's a plus, still nice to use if it doesn't lead to bug & lag

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon

    I think people expect too much from a kickstarter project..

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  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Dane_Wilding
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    No game compares to daoc pvp
    Keep the core concepts the same
    Ie no cd

    Lets move on

    DAoC not having CD was not a "core concept" but practically impossible because of the limitations of the technolodgy.

    Mark said he doesn't want to make DAoC2, and why would he? You can go back and play DAoC if you think it's so amazing. Don't oppose to anything new just because DAoC was your favorite game. 

    DAOC even with capability with CD would have not worked ...

     

    He said he isn't making DAoC2 because he can't legally make daoc2. He has stated many times he wants to make an old school rvr mmo, and the only good old school rvr mmo was daoc so why would you not expect it to have a lot of similarities.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Hey they should have the same old clunky UI as daoc too.

    And keep buff bots!
  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member

    Only reason the UI is clunky is because its over 10 years old, and honestly biggest reason I don't still play.

    I think a dev with his eyes closed now could make a better interface UI.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • OdamanOdaman Satesboro, GAPosts: 194Member

    I noticed the poll for CD has CD winning here, but the poll of KB,Pulls, and leaps has more people not wanting them. It's funny because with CD you need those things.... it just goes to show people don't really think deeply about things and the consequences of a decision must be put in their face for them to even consider them. 

    With CD comes forced movement abilities. Leaps tend to come as a counter for those forced movement abilities. With leaps you will probably steer away from hard interrupts (that daoc had). A nice little chain that takes away more strategy than CD creates. 

  • LaecLaec Munroe Falls, OHPosts: 11Member
    What about a endo based CD like Ultima Online? if you have the endo to do so you can 'push' them out of the way and walk through them. personally CD drives me nuts because when there is massive zergs in an area it just turns into a cluster and you are restricted so much it makes you want to cry or punch a baby. But I could live with the UO method of CD
  • ZydariZydari Fort Worth, TXPosts: 84Member
    It's a MUST for all the listed reasons.

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  • TumblebutzTumblebutz Henderson, NVPosts: 322Member
    I don't think people mind "leaps" (or "charge").  I think people are far more suspicious of "pulls" and "punts."  They are a shitty mechanic to balance.

    Emeryc Eightdrakes - Ranger of DragonMyst Keep - Percival

    RED IS DEAD!

  • OdamanOdaman Satesboro, GAPosts: 194Member
    And pretty much mandatory for any CD to work.... yet people scream CD is a must have it adds strategy, and then turn around and comdemn the mechanics that are used to balance it. I like the idea of limited CD on spells or abilities far better than "stone" or "mud" CD all the time.
  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    Only reason the UI is clunky is because its over 10 years old, and honestly biggest reason I don't still play.

    I think a dev with his eyes closed now could make a better interface UI.

    I'm always floored by foolish comments like this.

     

    First, no one has been able to say how the UI is CLUNKY. It's nice and minimalistic. Things that are minimalistic can hardly be considered clunky.

    On top of that, you can completely mod the UI. So you're not locked into it anyway.

     

    But no, the UI and graphics aren't what made the game die. Its the years upon years of moronic patch decisions, dumbing the game down for the WoW audience, and gutting the living world feel of the game.

  • TumblebutzTumblebutz Henderson, NVPosts: 322Member
    Originally posted by Odaman
    And pretty much mandatory for any CD to work.... yet people scream CD is a must have it adds strategy, and then turn around and comdemn the mechanics that are used to balance it.

    Oda, I agree.  I'm kinda on the fence about CD.  It needs to be done REALLY well if it's going to work.  That means:

    -Account for impenetrable blockage of chokepoints.

    -Account for getting trapped in the zerg.

    -Account for the possible slide-show-lag-fest at sieges.

    On the other hand, without CD the game will have to:

    -Account for LoS exploits like "running through," jumping, spinning and lag-casting.

    -Account for an inevitable "war of numbers" at sieges.

    -Try desparately to balance the CC that will be used to address the first two problems.

     

    In the end, it's really a tough call.

    Emeryc Eightdrakes - Ranger of DragonMyst Keep - Percival

    RED IS DEAD!

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Odaman
    And pretty much mandatory for any CD to work.... yet people scream CD is a must have it adds strategy, and then turn around and comdemn the mechanics that are used to balance it. I like the idea of limited CD on spells or abilities far better than "stone" or "mud" CD all the time.

    I just hope MJ thinks about the big picture... One could argue listening to the people was what caused daoc to fall to ruin and WAR to blow just as much as the big wigs pulling for more revenue did.

    People crying everyday for balance across realms was what caused NF and ruined the uniqueness of the keeps so they didn't have to hear people cry "HIB Keeps are SO EASY TO DEFEND WE CANT TAKE THEM WHAA" or whatever.

     

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Kuldebar
    Originally posted by dynamicipftw
    So pro-CD guys which MMOs with CD had great combat? Give us names.

    Every game in existence has collision detection, yes, even Tetris.

    Also Darkfall, DayZ, Mount&Blade...

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    Only reason the UI is clunky is because its over 10 years old, and honestly biggest reason I don't still play.

    I think a dev with his eyes closed now could make a better interface UI.

    I'm always floored by foolish comments like this.

     

    First, no one has been able to say how the UI is CLUNKY. It's nice and minimalistic. Things that are minimalistic can hardly be considered clunky.

    On top of that, you can completely mod the UI. So you're not locked into it anyway.

     

    But no, the UI and graphics aren't what made the game die. Its the years upon years of moronic patch decisions, dumbing the game down for the WoW audience, and gutting the living world feel of the game.

    It just feels old, not necessarily the look ... but selling items, such limited bag space, talking to NPC's is weird, the Auction house is horrible and buggy,

    I prefer the clean look of the UI of daoc, but i should have stated its the other things that seem clunky and slow.

    I think if they had finished origins, i would have delt with this issue and prob would be playing that server heh. Assuming its population is not terrible. But i agree there are other issues with the game, but it could run a lot smoother, I do prefer daoc attack / casting animations than anything i've seen in other games.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • povilezazpovilezaz palangaPosts: 25Member
    I am all for collisions .Fight would be much more fun if there were posibillities to defend against bigger army at some choke points . ofcourse would be quite stupid if few tanks with tons of heals could hold gates ... Would it be that hard to implement system where you can push your enemies (or and friends) .so if 2 tanks push at each other one with more str. moves very slowly forward ,also if some friends helping to push from behind they add some strength . this way all gates can get pushed through if forces are just wayyy to different .  (In WOT atm its possible to push friends and foes and friends can help you drive faster .... some phisics ) . not  sure is it posible for mmos atm ...
  • sweetdigssweetdigs Washington, DCPosts: 196Member
    I think you need CD in a PVP-oriented game.
  • DemerzelDemerzel umeaPosts: 21Member
    300pp battle smooth with nog cd ord 100ppl battle smooth with cd..?
  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Demerzel
    300pp battle smooth with nog cd ord 100ppl battle smooth with cd..?

    You can do both, see Darkfall.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Or either planetside
  • TumblebutzTumblebutz Henderson, NVPosts: 322Member
    Originally posted by povilezaz
    ... Would it be that hard to implement system where you can push your enemies (or and friends) .so if 2 tanks push at each other one with more str. moves very slowly forward ,also if some friends helping to push from behind they add some strength . this way all gates can get pushed through if forces are just wayyy to different...
    I had thought of something like this, too.  Maybe even give "large" toons (Firbolg/Half Ogre/Troll types) a bonus in this situation and "small" toons (Lurikeens, Kobolds, inconnu) a penalty.  Would make choosing races have a bit more meaning.  I'm no coder so I don't know how it might work or how it could affect the framerate. 
    I'm still of the opinion that CD will have to be done VERY well to be worth it.

    Emeryc Eightdrakes - Ranger of DragonMyst Keep - Percival

    RED IS DEAD!

  • KuldebarKuldebar Tacoma, WAPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by Odaman

    I noticed the poll for CD has CD winning here, but the poll of KB,Pulls, and leaps has more people not wanting them. It's funny because with CD you need those things.... it just goes to show people don't really think deeply about things and the consequences of a decision must be put in their face for them to even consider them. 

    With CD comes forced movement abilities. Leaps tend to come as a counter for those forced movement abilities. With leaps you will probably steer away from hard interrupts (that daoc had). A nice little chain that takes away more strategy than CD creates. 

     

    Hogwash!

     

    Having collision detection between players does not force devs to add "pulling" or "knockback" abilities to the game. That's utter rubbish. Talk about thinking deeply, sheesh!

     

    CD doesn't mean "forced" anything, it does mean you can't walk through things with impunity.

    Those who tread with ill intent
    Beneath our sacred firmament,
    Whether of Hammer or of Tree,
    Albion's might shall strike at thee!

  • KuldebarKuldebar Tacoma, WAPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by Laec
    What about a endo based CD like Ultima Online? if you have the endo to do so you can 'push' them out of the way and walk through them. personally CD drives me nuts because when there is massive zergs in an area it just turns into a cluster and you are restricted so much it makes you want to cry or punch a baby. But I could live with the UO method of CD

     

    What you refer to is collision detection, a method based on the "mud" filter most likely.

     

    Congratulations, you like CD in games!

     

    Also, large hordes of players should be clusterfucks, just like in real life when you have masses of people trying to occupy a small place.

    Those who tread with ill intent
    Beneath our sacred firmament,
    Whether of Hammer or of Tree,
    Albion's might shall strike at thee!

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